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First rig sails away over drilling ban

Every single one of those rigs was reinspecting by the Department of the Interior following the BP blowout, and they all passed. If passing government safety inspections following the BP disaster does not make you "safe", then what does?

Reassessing our safety and inspection protocols and making sure they are as through and as redundant as can possibly be, and also to make sure there is a reasonable protocol to deal with another leak should it occur, instead of fumbling around doing crap like shoving golf balls down a hole.

Forgive us all for not having faith in inspection and safety protocols that have already failed massively.

It is going to have a major economic impact on the area, that is just a fact. All of those rigs have since passed safety inspections, that is another fact. I do not feel that another incident like this is likely to occur. Sure it is possible, but what else do you want them to do to get back to work?

More than just your gut feeling on the likelihood of this not occurring again , a bit of investigation and inquiry to assure that anything that can be done to minimize any and all chance of a repeat, it sucks that the jobs are on hold for now, but the situation in the gulf sucks many orders of magnitude worse.
 
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Every single one of those rigs was reinspecting by the Department of the Interior following the BP blowout, and they all passed. If passing government safety inspections following the BP disaster does not make you "safe", then what does?
Having an exit plan if something goes wrong. We know now that none of these deepwater rigs do. The job loss has to be balanced against the cataclysmic impact of these rigs springing a leak. Drilling and pumping at these wells should not re-start until we are sure we can stop a leak at 10,000 feet under water.
 
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Reassessing our safety and inspection protocols and making sure they are as through and as redundant as can possibly be, and also to make sure there is a reasonable protocol to deal with another leak should it occur, instead of fumbling around doing crap like shoving golf balls down a hole.

Forgive us all for not having faith in inspection and safety protocols that have already failed massively.

Those inspection protocols have worked 99% of the time. Many rigs currently shut down operate in a different fashion than the BP one did. It would be akin to grounding all 747's because a 737 crashed due to a defect in something only found on a 737.

More than just your gut feeling on the likelihood of this not occurring again , a bit of investigation and inquiry to assure that anything that can be done to minimize any and all chance of a repeat, it sucks that the jobs are on hold for now, but the situation in the gulf sucks many orders of magnitude worse.

Those rigs were all reinvestigated... Should there be another spill, yes it could get worse, but the odds of that occuring are decidely against that argument.
 
Oil rigs passing government safety inspections is great, but it's only one part of this equation. The other is how prepared they are to stop a leak like the one BP is undertaking.

My hope is every U.S. oil company that operates in deep waters is taking some hard lessons from this disaster and are better preparing themselve accordingly.
 
THis is a flat out lie, and we've already discussed it. There AREN'T hundreds of thousands of oil field jobs that have been killed.

Not yet. It will take some time for the moratorium to take effect. There are nearly 10,000 truck drivers in south Louisiana that are going to affected by this, alone. That's not to mention the tool companies, pipe yards, service companies.

It's not a lie, it's the truth and rest assured, that I'll keep you updated as to all the job losses.
 
Having an exit plan if something goes wrong. We know now that none of these deepwater rigs do. The job loss has to be balanced against the cataclysmic impact of these rigs springing a leak. Drilling and pumping at these wells should not re-start until we are sure we can stop a leak at 10,000 feet under water.

Well, we're pretty sure we know what to do, now.
 
Given that we know now that those rigs were not safe, and could have created a similar blowout, forgive me for not shedding any tears about the jobs. The jobs on those 29 rigs are the least of our concern right now.

If other countries are willing to take the risk, that's on them, but as a country, for us to continue to take what we now know is an inordinate risk would be truly stupid. The fact that you and others continue to wish this on us is ridiculous.

Nice spin!!!!
 
Not yet. It will take some time for the moratorium to take effect. There are nearly 10,000 truck drivers in south Louisiana that are going to affected by this, alone. That's not to mention the tool companies, pipe yards, service companies.

It's not a lie, it's the truth and rest assured, that I'll keep you updated as to all the job losses.

I already gave you the statistics, from the state of Louisiana website, of the number of oil-related jobs. This happened the last time you threw that absurd number out there, but of course, I have no doubt that you've forgotten it already.
 
Spin is pretending there are hundreds of thousands of oil jobs in Louisiana.

Who was talking about Louisiana? I'm talking about the jobs in Texas and Mississippi that are going to be flushed down the toilet, too. You do understand the idea of trickle down economics? Right? If all the oilfield hands lose their jobs, then the places where they spend their money are going to face lost revenue. Do you get that?
 
Who was talking about Louisiana? I'm talking about the jobs in Texas and Mississippi that are going to be flushed down the toilet, too. You do understand the idea of trickle down economics? Right? If all the oilfield hands lose their jobs, then the places where they spend their money are going to face lost revenue. Do you get that?

Hey, this oil spill was a disaster. You haven't denied that. You seem to want to ignore that. When disasters happen we should take steps to prevent them from happening again. Jobs are not a reason to negligently allow another disaster to happen. It would be irresponsible.

And if you don't like my logical explanation I'm just going to have to invoke the "Everything changed after 9/11" rule. ;)
 
Hey, this oil spill was a disaster. You haven't denied that. You seem to want to ignore that. When disasters happen we should take steps to prevent them from happening again. Jobs are not a reason to negligently allow another disaster to happen. It would be irresponsible.

And if you don't like my logical explanation I'm just going to have to invoke the "Everything changed after 9/11" rule. ;)

I am not against taking steps to *try* to ensure it never happens again, but why should anywhere from 50,000 to upwards of close to a million people lose their jobs while we decide what to do? That's the part I don't understand.

The airlines were NOT shut down while new security measures were implemented, so why is drilling being shut down? :confused:
 
Who was talking about Louisiana? I'm talking about the jobs in Texas and Mississippi that are going to be flushed down the toilet, too. You do understand the idea of trickle down economics? Right? If all the oilfield hands lose their jobs, then the places where they spend their money are going to face lost revenue. Do you get that?

Are you suggesting that ALL OF THE OIL RIGS IN THE GULF OF MEXICO have been shut down?
 
I am not against taking steps to *try* to ensure it never happens again, but why should anywhere from 50,000 to upwards of close to a million people lose their jobs while we decide what to do? That's the part I don't understand.

The airlines were NOT shut down while new security measures were implemented, so why is drilling being shut down? :confused:

You're right. The airplanes weren't shut down. But, armed national guardsmen with AR-15s were stationed in EVERY SINGLE AIRPORT in the U.S., and for several days after 9/11, the flights were halted.

That's where we're at, with this incident. Not all of the drilling in the gulf has been shut down. However, those wells which are similar to the one that currently caused this disaster HAVE been shut down.

This is the same process that happens when a particular type of airplane seems to develop flight problems. ALL OF THOSE PLANES are pulled from service until the problem is investigated and resolved.

YOu seem to want this to be over, and things to go back to where they were. The problem is: THE PROBLEM ISN'T RESOLVED YET.

I'm sorry that this event has put a hitch in the gitalong of the oil company executives and their employees, but frankly, the disaster warrants significant time to ensure that this sort of calamity doesn't happen again anytime. EVER.

If that pisses you off, fine. I was pretty damn pissed when I drove along Pensacola beach this week and viewed the extent of the damage your industry has caused my state. Join the club.
 
Why were they shut down then?

That's just it, they weren't. Airlines were shut down for only a couple of days. No 6 month moratorium on airline travel. Why are the airlines more important that the oil workers that supply them with jet fuel? :confused:

You're right. The airplanes weren't shut down. But, armed national guardsmen with AR-15s were stationed in EVERY SINGLE AIRPORT in the U.S., and for several days after 9/11, the flights were halted.

That's where we're at, with this incident. Not all of the drilling in the gulf has been shut down. However, those wells which are similar to the one that currently caused this disaster HAVE been shut down.

This is the same process that happens when a particular type of airplane seems to develop flight problems. ALL OF THOSE PLANES are pulled from service until the problem is investigated and resolved.

YOu seem to want this to be over, and things to go back to where they were. The problem is: THE PROBLEM ISN'T RESOLVED YET.

I'm sorry that this event has put a hitch in the gitalong of the oil company executives and their employees, but frankly, the disaster warrants significant time to ensure that this sort of calamity doesn't happen again anytime. EVER.

If that pisses you off, fine. I was pretty damn pissed when I drove along Pensacola beach this week and viewed the extent of the damage your industry has caused my state. Join the club.

BULL****. Lots of lies here.

First, "NG guys with AR-15's" were not at every single airport in this nation. I know for a fact nobody came to our airport, and we are pretty damn big, we have 4 different airlines flying out of here, you need a high security badge to get near the airlines, etc. If there weren't any at our airport, then there were tons of smaller airports (still with commercial flights) that didn't have them either. The NG was only at the few super big airports around the country. And let me ask you, what good did the guys with Ar-15's do? There was no proof their presence was even needed, it was simply a "feel good" measure to make it look like the gov't was protecting it's citizens. If it had been doing it's job, 9-11 wouldn't have happened in the first place. Just like this moratorium is a "feel good" measure. I find it sick that a federal judge overturned it, meaning it was ILLEGAL, and you support Bobo enacting another one with slightly different wording. I don't know who makes me sicker, you or Bobo himself.

Second, you can't see the oil from pensacola beach so you cant see what *my* industry did to your state. There has been very little washup there. You wouldn't be able to see it unless you got out and walked the beach and found the hand full of tar balls that have been discovered there. You have now rendered yourself no longer worthy of my response due to lying.

If people don't want to go to your state maybe it's because your state sucks. I lived there, and I personally think it does suck and I was more than happy to get out of that ****hole.

And for the record, MY industry is aviation, not the oil business. That's my STATES industry.
 
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BULL****. You can't see the oil from pensacola beach. There has been very little washup there. You wouldn't be able to see it unless you got out and walked the beach and found the hand full of tar balls that have been discovered there. You have now rendered yourself no longer worthy of my response due to lying.

Really. That's why we saw thousands of workers who had sectioned off about 1/3 of the shoreline into areas where the public (and the media) were forbidden? Have you been here?
 
That's just it, they weren't. Airlines were shut down for only a couple of days. No 6 month moratorium on airline travel. Why are the airlines more important that the oil workers that supply them with jet fuel? :confused:

I have trouble believing you need this explained. Airport terminals aren't a mile under water. The terrorist attacks didn't continue for 3 months 24/7. It was much easier to secure air travel than it is to stop an oil spill.

Or are you suggesting that an appropriate response would be to launch cruise missiles on England as they give safe haven to ecoterrorists? :2razz:

BULL****. You can't see the oil from pensacola beach. There has been very little washup there. You wouldn't be able to see it unless you got out and walked the beach and found the hand full of tar balls that have been discovered there. You have now rendered yourself no longer worthy of my response due to lying.

If people don't want to go to your state maybe it's because your state sucks. I lived there, and I personally think it does suck.

When were you at Pensacola Beach?
 
Second, you can't see the oil from pensacola beach so you cant see what *my* industry did to your state. There has been very little washup there. You wouldn't be able to see it unless you got out and walked the beach and found the hand full of tar balls that have been discovered there. You have now rendered yourself no longer worthy of my response due to lying.

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Oil soaks miles of Pensacola Beach - CNN.com

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More than two months after the Deepwater Horizon disaster, Pensacola awoke Wednesday to the largest onslaught of black crude on Florida's coast, as more than nine miles of white shoreline and beaches were soaked with syrupy oil.

A health advisory has been issued by Escambia County for parts of Pensacola Beach and Fort Pickens.

"It's pretty ugly. There's no question about it," Florida Gov. Charlie Crist said. "It does break your heart."
 
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