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President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Rationing Expert

Ockham said:
You're right - asking questions... how DARE I. :lamo


My my... thin skinned aren't we? Again, you don't fail to disappoint. :2wave:
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you apparently cannot discuss the topic maturely - perhaps an insight into the failed marriage
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Is it possible for you to stay out of the gutter? Or are you always this much of a jerk?
 
TennesseeRain said:
Is it possible for you to stay out of the gutter? Or are you always this much of a jerk?
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I only give what I get. And "gutter" and "jerk" are so subjective... you'll have to actually show ability to discuss honestly without being sarcastic. I know... so silly right? If you can't step up and deliver I'll totally understand.
 
Ockham said:
I only give what I get.
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Um...you started with the personal insults and then expected them to go unchecked by me. It does not say "Welcome" on my forehead and I will not sit back and allow you to wipe your dirty feet on me.

And "gutter" and "jerk" are so subjective... you'll have to actually show ability to discuss honestly without being sarcastic. I know... so silly right? If you can't step up and deliver I'll totally understand
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You are intentially baiting me and I have no idea why. It is certainly not my fault that you believe in imaginary "death panels."

With that being said, I don't have the time nor the inclination to sit around and watch you fling poo like a rabid rhesus monkey. TTFN.

(Insert part where you declare yourself "DA WINNAH" because you think this is a playground and we are all in the third grade)
 
TennesseeRain said:
Um...you started with the personal insults and then expected them to go unchecked by me. It does not say "Welcome" on my forehead and I will not sit back and allow you to wipe your dirty feet on me.



You are intentially baiting me and I have no idea why. It is certainly not my fault that you believe in imaginary "death panels."

With that being said, I don't have the time nor the inclination to sit around and watch you fling poo like a rabid rhesus monkey. TTFN.

(Insert part where you declare yourself "DA WINNAH" because you think this is a playground and we are all in the third grade)
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It is laughable for someone to complain about insults when their second post in this thread called a baby with Downs Syndrome "retarded".
 
MrVicchio said:
President Obama to Make Recess Appointment of CMS Administrator Republicans Attacking as 'Expert on Rationing' - Political Punch

So the UHC drive marches on with a Rationing Expert at the helm who COULDN'T GET SEATED BY A DEM RUN HOUSE AND SENATE.
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Im glad actually. This appointment means Obama owns this beeyotch...and anything he has said and everything he does is directly attributed to him.

besides...do you REALLY think he can **** up medicare/medicaid anymore than the republicans and democrats have already done? I highly doubt it.
 
Gill said:
It is laughable for someone to complain about insults when their second post in this thread called a baby with Downs Syndrome "retarded".
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Hehe... too right. But it's really my fault. I expect too much - many cannot debate honestly or it's a new experience for them. They're use to regurgitating the MSM pablum without knowing their own minds. It really does come down to maturity - some of us get there earlier and some never get there at all.
 
TennesseeRain said:
Um...you started with the personal insults and then expected them to go unchecked by me. It does not say "Welcome" on my forehead and I will not sit back and allow you to wipe your dirty feet on me.
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So a childish "you started it" argument. *sigh*



TennesseeRain said:
You are intentially baiting me and I have no idea why. It is certainly not my fault that you believe in imaginary "death panels."
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You're right, I am baiting you to be honest and answer the question. Which you won't do.

TennesseeRain said:
With that being said, I don't have the time nor the inclination to sit around and watch you fling poo like a rabid rhesus monkey. TTFN.



(Insert part where you declare yourself "DA WINNAH" because you think this is a playground and we are all in the third grade)
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That's Mr. Chimpanzee to you missy. And you'll get less poo if you answer the $&%@ questions.
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I'm glad he did. If the Republicans want to twist words and play games like this then I hope Obama will seat all of his future appointments this way.
 
Gill said:
It is laughable for someone to complain about insults when their second post in this thread called a baby with Downs Syndrome "retarded".
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Was that a personal insult to you? And did I complain about being insulted? No. I just stated the obvious.
 
TennesseeRain said:
Was that a personal insult to you? And did I complain about being insulted? No. I just stated the obvious.
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Yes, I find it very insulting when boors call innocent children "retarded".

If you weren't complaining, why did you bring it up??? :roll:
 
roughdraft274 said:
I'm glad he did. If the Republicans want to twist words and play games like this then I hope Obama will seat all of his future appointments this way.
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First of all, the Democrats haven't scheduled any hearings, nor have they completed their vetting process. So like I posted earlier, they're either dragging their feet or Obama jumped the gun. Either way, the Republicans didn't really have anything to do with this at this point.

If you're happy Obama is doing this, I assume you'd be okay if the next Republican president "seat(s) all of his future appointments this way".
 
Gill said:
Yes, I find it very insulting when boors call innocent children "retarded".

If you weren't complaining, why did you bring it up??? :roll:
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I see. So in response to being offended that I called someone a name, you call me a name. There's a name for people who do that, but I can't think of it right now....Hmmm...Oh well, I'm sure it will come to be later.
 
TennesseeRain said:
I see. So in response to being offended that I called someone a name, you call me a name. There's a name for people who do that, but I can't think of it right now....Hmmm...Oh well, I'm sure it will come to be later.
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Just stating the obvious... to quote someone else.
 
Gill said:
Just stating the obvious... to quote someone else.
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Do you have an actual opinion about the topic at hand or did you just enter this thread to help out your buddy with the insults? There's a name for people who do that, too....Um...I forget again....gimme time...it'll come to me.
 
roughdraft274 said:
I'm glad he did. If the Republicans want to twist words and play games like this then I hope Obama will seat all of his future appointments this way.
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I hope he does too...

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
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The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Then we can impeach his sorry ass.
 
Moon said:
First of all, the Democrats haven't scheduled any hearings, nor have they completed their vetting process. So like I posted earlier, they're either dragging their feet or Obama jumped the gun. Either way, the Republicans didn't really have anything to do with this at this point.

If you're happy Obama is doing this, I assume you'd be okay if the next Republican president "seat(s) all of his future appointments this way".
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There's a major caveat but sure, I wouldn't mind.

If the Dems were playing games and lying about the guy and what he said, or stalling votes for no good reason, then I think it's the presidents responsibility to do this so we have people in the spots they need to be, doing their job.

If you simply look at the memo passed around by the Republicans it's easy to see they were preparing to twist his words and clip his quotes to fit their agenda and politicize this appointment.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/042010_Rationing-Eyes-Wide-Open.pdf

“The decision is not whether or not we will ration care—the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open.”
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"The decision is not whether or not we will ration care -- the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open. And right now, we are doing it blindly."
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He was obviously talking in the context of how this is already happening, and not that he wants us to start rationing healthcare.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
There's a major caveat but sure, I wouldn't mind.

If the Dems were playing games and lying about the guy and what he said, or stalling votes for no good reason, then I think it's the presidents responsibility to do this so we have people in the spots they need to be, doing their job.

If you simply look at the memo passed around by the Republicans it's easy to see they were preparing to twist his words and clip his quotes to fit their agenda and politicize this appointment.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/042010_Rationing-Eyes-Wide-Open.pdf



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He was obviously talking in the context of how this is already happening, and not that he wants us to start rationing healthcare.
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None of which negates the fact that Barry didn't follow the process laid out in the Constitution, and that is against the law.
 
Crunch said:
None of which negates the fact that Barry didn't follow the process laid out in the Constitution, and that is against the law.
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Exactly what part didn't he follow?
 
roughdraft274 said:
So you are saying that recess appointments are an impeachable offense?

Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution:
"The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session."
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I fail to see how that applies to this situation.... maybe you can show where this vacancy happened during this recess, link please.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Exactly what part didn't he follow?
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He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
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What Barry did is in direct violation of the Constitution.
 
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Crunch said:
I fail to see how that applies to this situation.... maybe you can show where this vacancy happened during this recess, link please.
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This phrase has been controversial, I'll certainly admit to that, but the supreme court has never decided on it's meaning and the general consensus among politicians is that what he did is fine. It's been done hundreds of times before.

Did you call for Bush's impeachment when he did it?

To put it another way, this vacancy is ongoing right now, during a recess, which would allow for the president to make this appointment. It depends on how you look at it, but I'm curious as to why only now people would be saying that this is impeachable after being done so many times before this?
 
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roughdraft274 said:
This phrase has been controversial, I'll certainly admit to that, but the supreme court has never decided on it's meaning and the general consensus among politicians is that what he did is fine. It's been done hundreds of times before.

Did you call for Bush's impeachment when he did it?

To put it another way, this vacancy is ongoing right now, during a recess, which would allow for the president to make this appointment. It depends on how you look at it, but I'm curious as to why only now people would be saying that this is impeachable after being done so many times before this?
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Show with a link to a President by passing the Congress in this manner.... that would be without any confirmation process and before his own party has finished vetting the person.

I'll wait.
 
roughdraft274 said:
This phrase has been controversial, I'll certainly admit to that, but the supreme court has never decided on it's meaning and the general consensus among politicians is that what he did is fine. It's been done hundreds of times before.
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It seems to me the language is simple and plain..... what Barry did is unconstitutional.
 
Crunch said:
Show with a link to a President by passing the Congress in this manner.... that would be without any confirmation process and before his own party has finished vetting the person.

I'll wait.
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Where in the constitution does it say that a recess appointment is only ok if he was going through confirmation process or before his own party has vetted him? It's either unconstitutional or not but those two factors have nothing to do with it.

EDIT: I would also be weary of calling this an impeachable offense. Following long established norms is hardly "high crimes and misdemeanors".
 
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