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The End of Men

I wouldnt want to build an expectation that all women have to put with this though. That is what would happen if I tough it out, when somebody is being sexist, rather than pushing for a rule to be made against it, to protect women.

I don't want to be protected. That implies that I'm not capable of protecting myself. Thanks, but that just implies that I'm a victim. I just want the opportunity to show that I can do the job. If doing the job means fitting into the culture that exists on that job, I'll find a way to manage that.

The last thing I want is outside interference. I just want to be allowed to handle my business for myself.

NO offense, Mellie, but I work with cops for a living. If you can't handle the culture on the job, you sure as hell aren't going to be able to handle the perpetrators.
 
Most women study stuff like Business, Liberal Arts, Education. What they don't study engineering, science, IT men do. Also I have met many business students that are males who are management and fairly important people. They are far from being equal opportunists meaning they bash women a lot and would never respect them. Until I see an equal number or greater of women studiny engineering and the sciences that is when i will admit they are dominating men. Until then it is a MAN'S world.

Just keep on telling yourself that, Sweetheart. ;) Clearly, you did not read the article.
 
I really don't have time to get all riled up about that sort of thing.

Me neither, because there is a lot of living to be done, and dont want to waste energy on it, but I dont want to neglect trying my best either to do something about it.
 
Hell, figure out how to open jars first...then we'll talk about world dominance. Oh yeah...and killing spiders...

The report isnt all that surprising actually. The role of men has been being redefined for a looooong time now. Some of that is good, some of that is not so good. One thing we know about societies...they typically live down to their expectations. So while I dont see ALL men turning in their man card, i can certainly see a lot of them doing it already.

psht. I handle the spider relocation at my house. Killing spiders is a WASTE. Don't you know that spiders eat bad bugs?

I dunno, my boyfriend is pretty manly. I don't see him being particularly threatened by me working and being good at my job. In fact, I think he thinks it's kind of hot.
 
Me neither, because there is a lot of living to be done, and dont want to waste energy on it, but I dont want to neglect trying my best either to do something about it.

From personal experience: The best thing you can do is to show you can do the job. That will shut up the critics faster than a rule would. Just smile pretty and kick their ass at the work.
 
Just keep on telling yourself that, Sweetheart. ;) Clearly, you did not read the article.

I read the article and I have read and studied a book called The Price of Motherhood. I know enough on women and the workplace. The majority of women do not study engineering and that is a fact.
 
I don't want to be protected. That implies that I'm not capable of protecting myself. Thanks, but that just implies that I'm a victim. .

We do need protection. Look what happened, and still happens in some places, when the law does not protect women. Europe used to be as much of a rape fest, as DRC currently is, in the bad old days, when those tribes were still pillaging and plundering. I dont think there is anything wrong, with not being able to protect ourselves against things. Nobody can, if the odds are stacked against them.
 
I read the article and I have read and studied a book called The Price of Motherhood. I know enough on women and the workplace. The majority of women do not study engineering and that is a fact.

That's true. Most women stay in traditional fields and don't earn the same amount of money. I've spent the last 15 years in a male-dominated field, which is why my earnings have been comparable to the men in my field.
 
That's true. Most women stay in traditional fields and don't earn the same amount of money. I've spent the last 15 years in a male-dominated field, which is why my earnings have been comparable to the men in my field.

Ok, let us say that it is the end of the world. Who would you want around: a women who studied liberal arts a women who studied business a women who studied nursing a housewife or a man who studied engineering? I think the answer is obvious that you would want the engineer and then for a women you'd pick one who can cook and clean and one to have fun with, etc etc.
 
We do need protection. Look what happened, and still happens in some places, when the law does not protect women. Europe used to be as much of a rape fest, as DRC currently is, in the bad old days, when those tribes were still pillaging and plundering. I dont think there is anything wrong, with not being able to protect ourselves against things. Nobody can, if the odds are stacked against them.

We were talking about words here, Mellie, not physical assaults. I do not wish to be "protected" from words. Those protections only create a barrier between me and my co-workers that I do not want to exist. If a guy says something to me, we're going to have a pow wow, and he'll be schooled -- BY ME -- as to who and what I am. The last thing I would do is involve a manager in an issue like that. I might just as well admit that I can't hang on the job, and hang up my hat.

Your perspective is...NAIVE.
 
I read the article and I have read and studied a book called The Price of Motherhood. I know enough on women and the workplace. The majority of women do not study engineering and that is a fact.

Yeah, but why is engineering so highly valued financially? It is because it is a traditionally male field. We really are climbing uphill, when we have to compete in fields that are more suited to men, in order to earn as much as they do.
 
Ok, let us say that it is the end of the world. Who would you want around: a women who studied liberal arts a women who studied business a women who studied nursing a housewife or a man who studied engineering? I think the answer is obvious that you would want the engineer and then for a women you'd pick one who can cook and clean and one to have fun with, etc etc.

If it was the end of the world, I'd want whoever was best at killing zombies. Durr.
 
We were talking about words here, Mellie, not physical assaults. I do not wish to be "protected" from words. Those protections only create a barrier between me and my co-workers that I do not want to exist. If a guy says something to me, we're going to have a pow wow, and he'll be schooled -- BY ME -- as to who and what I am. The last thing I would do is involve a manager in an issue like that. I might just as well admit that I can't hang on the job, and hang up my hat.

Your perspective is...NAIVE.

Mell understand that Catz is a redneck she knows how to handle guns better then most women. A guy messes with her she blows their balls off.
 
Yeah, but why is engineering so highly valued financially? It is because it is a traditionally male field. We really are climbing uphill, when we have to compete in fields that are more suited to men, in order to earn as much as they do.

No. That's what they tell you in women's studies programs, but it's mistaken. Engineering is highly valued because it is a difficult and demanding field that teaches specific ways of handling information and materials. Engineers have amongst the highest IQs of any field. THAT is why it's highly paid...because it's difficult to do, and hence, those who can do it are more rare, comparatively speaking. It's all about supply/demand.
 
Yeah, but why is engineering so highly valued financially? It is because it is a traditionally male field. We really are climbing uphill, when we have to compete in fields that are more suited to men, in order to earn as much as they do.

No it isn't just that. The engineering those men do benefit all of society. Who do you need to refine natural resources to make it useful for all of us? An engineer. Who do you want designing your plane that you fly in? An engineer. You understand what I am saying?
 
Mell understand that Catz is a redneck she knows how to handle guns better then most women. A guy messes with her she blows their balls off.

Generally, I'd rely on words. Guns are for serious offenses, like messing with my daughter.
 
We were talking about words here, Mellie, not physical assaults. I do not wish to be "protected" from words. Those protections only create a barrier between me and my co-workers that I do not want to exist. If a guy says something to me, we're going to have a pow wow, and he'll be schooled -- BY ME -- as to who and what I am. The last thing I would do is involve a manager in an issue like that. I might just as well admit that I can't hang on the job, and hang up my hat.

Your perspective is...NAIVE.

I am not so naive, but I am hopeful. There are things that were commonly said 50 years ago or even 20, that would not be acceptable in most social or work settings these days.
 
If it was the end of the world, I'd want whoever was best at killing zombies. Durr.

No. You would want someone who can survive and sometimes that is an engineer. He....or she...would come in real handy.
 
I am not so naive, but I am hopeful. There are things that were commonly said 50 years ago or even 20, that would not be acceptable in most social or work settings these days.

And you know what? That's done us more harm than it has good. It sets us apart from our peers. They can't be themselves around us. It creates an artificial and stilted environment that makes people less efficient and makes the workplace much more hostile for everyone involved.

I LIKE sexual banter in the office.
 
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Generally, I'd rely on words. Guns are for serious offenses, like messing with my daughter.

A RedNeck eh!? His temporary suspension has just expired. Looks like he want another.
 
And you know what? That's done us more harm than it has good. It sets us apart from our peers. They can't be themselves around us. It creates an artificial and stilted environment that makes people less efficient and makes the workplace much more hostile for everyone involved.

Normal people dont get hostile, because they are not allowed to make sexist and rascist comments. The harm was already there, before the rules.
 
Girl, you think that offends me? Heh. Look at my profile.

Jesus, she really wants me banned. I think it would suit you Mell to look at her location before you make a threat again.:roll:
 
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