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You say that like it's a bad thing eace
No, but it's a funny thing...
You say that like it's a bad thing eace
No, but it's a funny thing...
You misunderstood the video in OP + you post some other video = you are trying to hide the fact you did not understand the first video.
What is wrong with people? :shrug: I don't get the complaints from things like this - at all - and I even loath Obama.
I see students saying "I can be anything I want to be. A teacher, a lawyer, a firefighter, a judge, a president, anything . . . if my mind can see it and my heart can believe it. . . I know I can achieve it"
What's WRONG with that?
So turn it on it's head. Let's say this was happening all over the country and it was G.W. Bush who teachers are influencing and indoctrinating kids to emulate. Still perfectly fine with it? If so... great! If not... that's where I am. I don't care WHO it is, it has no business being pushed on kids in this way.The second part is I don't hate or detest Obama. I just don't like everything he stands for or believes in. As a person he's probably a great guy, loving husband, doting father and responsible member of society.
School isn't there to provide solutions to their issues in life. School is there to provide a basis in learning. Skin color and a black president are irrelevant.So what - their role model is our first black president. Well, damnit, someone's gotta change something. :shrug: What's your solution to their issues in life? They can't change their skin color. They can't just stand up and convince Mom and Dad to move to a better city or put them in a better school. The only way they can change their life or do better in school is if they *want* to do it.
Giving money is not even the same subject as indoctrination. No clue what your point is - please clarify.Hey - you could give them money and see what that does! But that's controversial.
So this is in stark contrast to that - and it's still controversial?
How about this: Do the right thing. Show them how to apply what they learn to better themselves and their life. Teach them how to think for themselves... If hero worship is the preferred method, there are SO many other examples of greatness, of a role model. Since you choose only black Americans, let's look at some other "hero's:"WTF! Don't you WANT them to have an example? To HAVE someone to look up to? A GOAL in life of SOME type? SOMETHING!
He might not be the greatest president but he's a damn good role model.
I challenge you to come up with a better way to energize and get possibly some very troubled KIDS heading in the right direction. I think that there's nothing you can think of that would be more meaningful to them and have a more positive and life-altering impact.
There's nothing necessarily wrong with hero worship. However, when compiling this with other incidents it's framed and percieved as teachers telling children to hero worship. This video is not, on it's face, showing that but when viewed with the rest of the video's of songs being taught to kids all over the country praising Obama by name. My problem is not with hero worship but with indocrination of kids at an early age to be taught who to look up to by teachers who should be teaching HOW to be a hero not who to emulate.
So turn it on it's head. Let's say this was happening all over the country and it was G.W. Bush who teachers are influencing and indoctrinating kids to emulate. Still perfectly fine with it? If so... great! If not... that's where I am. I don't care WHO it is, it has no business being pushed on kids in this way.
School isn't there to provide solutions to their issues in life. School is there to provide a basis in learning. Skin color and a black president are irrelevant.
Giving money is not even the same subject as indoctrination. No clue what your point is - please clarify.
How about this: Do the right thing. Show them how to apply what they learn to better themselves and their life. Teach them how to think for themselves... If hero worship is the preferred method, there are SO many other examples of greatness, of a role model. Since you choose only black Americans, let's look at some other "hero's:"
Clarence Thomas
Condoleeza Rice
Colin Powell
Why aren't these three in the mix?
There's nothing necessarily wrong with hero worship. However, when compiling this with other incidents it's framed and percieved as teachers telling children to hero worship. This video is not, on it's face, showing that but when viewed with the rest of the video's of songs being taught to kids all over the country praising Obama by name. My problem is not with hero worship but with indocrination of kids at an early age to be taught who to look up to by teachers who should be teaching HOW to be a hero not who to emulate.
So turn it on it's head. Let's say this was happening all over the country and it was G.W. Bush who teachers are influencing and indoctrinating kids to emulate. Still perfectly fine with it? If so... great! If not... that's where I am. I don't care WHO it is, it has no business being pushed on kids in this way.
School isn't there to provide solutions to their issues in life. School is there to provide a basis in learning. Skin color and a black president are irrelevant.
Giving money is not even the same subject as indoctrination. No clue what your point is - please clarify.
How about this: Do the right thing. Show them how to apply what they learn to better themselves and their life. Teach them how to think for themselves... If hero worship is the preferred method, there are SO many other examples of greatness, of a role model. Since you choose only black Americans, let's look at some other "hero's:"
Clarence Thomas
Condoleeza Rice
Colin Powell
Why aren't these three in the mix?
Thinking his cult of personality claim is paranoid is trolling now?
See, that's the only part of it I don't like. Public school indoctrination is going to create the next generation of welfare losers.
Enjoy community college.
Or maybe people are concerned that schools are teaching kids in an un-objective manner. Tell me, since when has "I am a <insert president name> scholar" formed a necessary part of a child's curriculum?
All joking aside, I don't have an issue with the central idea of the message that if you put your mind to something, you can achieve it. However, if political ideals are attached they are out of place.
Ultimately though, you mention teaching kids to do the right thing, etc. Emulation is a common form of learning. When I got out of the shower this morning, my two yearold daugher was helping my wife "cook" (even though she was mostly just getting in the way). This is something people naturally do and if the mechanism exists and it helps people be better, than we should use it!
I misplaced the quote.The quote that this is in response to I didn't write - who did?
I have a problem with schools or teachers TELLING kids who to look up to. If they do it on their own, that's fine.I don't support Bush, either, but why do you think it would be so bad for a kid to look up to him, too?
Than this is an indication of a problem in parenting and a failure in school curicula. Because kids spend more time at school than at home does NOT excuse mommy and daddy or give teachers a by proxy parenting role.Well you know what - news flash - it IS.
Students spend MORE time in school than they do awake at HOME and hanging out with their friends. Whether you like it or not it IS a main source of cultural, social and educational influence in their lives. Everything they need to know they will learn HERE. Education isn't JUST 123's and ABC's - education is life, how to live it and how to cope with the world.
Better yet, I tell my own school board. Don't know where you live but where I live - our K-6 does not provide ready made role models nor create songs about popular people. They're taught basics. I've already shared my views with many at the school and I've yet to recieve much push back - wether or not that's out of politeness or due to agreement I have no idea.If you believe that so strongly then go tell that to these kids.
I'll make sure to the next time I'm up there. What's the probleem with letting kids formulate their own hero's? And yes, schools do not fix your problems and the skin color of a President IS in fact, irrelevant. White or Black it makes no difference - they're the President.Tell them "school isn't here to fix your problems" and "school is only here to provide you a basis in learning." and "skin color and a black president are irrelevant"
There are many things that can help. Parents, friends, family, police, social groups, church, government programs... There are many "ONE things" and school indoctrination shouldn't be one of them. Remember, indoctrination isn't one on one, it's group think.You think it's "indoctrination" and it's really just trying to find *some ONE thing* that will get just a handful of these kids off the streets, out of trouble, into class and headed in teh right direction in life.
Yes I agree, and no I don't see the difference. How old are the LA students? How old are the mmm mmm mm kids? And those kids by the way, live within 8 miles of me, but are not in my school district.I'll tell you what's indoctrination = LA schools taking their students into Arizona to protest Arizona's SB1070 . . see the huge difference, there?
First, I don't play - so clarify. If I knew what you meant I would respond to it.Don't play the "I don't know what you're referring to" card. You got my point.
"Looking up to the president as a role model in order to do good in school" VS.
"Being paid to do well in school with a bi weekly paycheck based on attendence or books read."
And indoctrination nor hero worship helps them pay attention..."Do the right thing - show them how to apply . . ."
You have to get them to pay attention FIRST in order to LEARN . . . and then you can teach them how to apply it . . . and then you can tell them that they should think for theirselves.
If Obama as a role model gets them to want to come to school, again, is it REALLY that bad?
You're seriously comparing Condoleeza Rice with Ice-T, P-Diddy and the Wu-Tang-Clan?They finally have a role model who's in politics - who's respected and has strong, positive presence in their lives and you're reply is "why don't they look up to Condoleeza Rice" ??? Gee - They'd still be emulating and worshiping Ice-T, P-Diddy and the freaking Wu-Tang-Clan if you had your way
Any indoctrination at all, political or not is unacceptable. Is this getting through or will I be required to answer another 100 lines of the same thing over and over?Would that matter to you, anyway? No, it wouldn't. Even if they looked up to every successful political minority out there - as long as it's political, to you, it's unacceptable because it equals indoctrination.
Please... the ad hominem is boring.Now - kowtow to your paranoia or continue my support of kids lookign up to a successful political figure instead of a rapist, raper, or thug? Gee - I think my feelings are obvious as to what I consider to be a reasonable role model and what I don't.
Sorry you can't be honest with yourself nor can you see the trees through the forest. Discussing this with you is like discussing evolution with an evangalist. Apparently you have some axe to grind or perhaps you were or are an educator of some sort and this is a preferred method of teaching? Either way, here's the bottom line:Sorry that their scope of black role models who are successful doesn't include every black out there :shrug: But when it comes to giving kids a new direction in life you do what you can do - and be thrilled when something works.
Your daughter emulating your wife is exactly how growing up is supposed to be (in a perfect world). At very young ages we all emulate the adults around us for good or bad especially at 2 years old. Once we get to 5-12 years old though, we're mostly at school and our teachers play a very important part in how we grow up. If those teachers decided to use The Son of Sam for example (outrageous but I meant it that way) and indoctrinated those children into viewing the Son of Sam as a role model to emulate would kids necessarily know that was a bad thing? Of course not, so we (society) trust our teachers to be teaching, not indoctrinating.
Yes perception has a lot to do with it, but I don't want a Republican, Libertarian or Democrat to have small children make up songs about them. They should be, in my opinion, learning a structure to make up their own minds as to who they admire --- not be told who to admire or emulate.
What does "I'm a Obama scholar" mean?
I'd suggest it means they learned alot Obama and the Office of the President.
It means you're taking his meassage of needing an education to heart. Learning is not political to my knowledge, unless you're trying to argue only liberals are educated. I don't believe that, do you?
It means you're taking his meassage of needing an education to heart. Learning is not political to my knowledge, unless you're trying to argue only liberals are educated. I don't believe that, do you?
This is what I think the intent was. I think it was worded poorly, and has become a big deal to a few people and now taking away from a very positive overall message.