Louisiana wants offshore drilling ban lifted

washunut said:

Maybe next time the state wll vote for Obama. Then they may get the same attention unions do.

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This is one of those times where I'm not quite sure if a poster is being sarcastic or not. Since I don't know you I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this is a sarcastic response and worthy of a GUFFAW !!!

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jamesrage said:

I heard Glenn Beck use a similar analogy with a house to support off shore oil drilling "you don't stop building houses just because one catches on fire". He is wrong on this one because a house fire can be put out before if burns down the city,neighborhood and block, the oil leak in the gulf is still going on.

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Are you going to outlaw camping, everytime there's a forest fire?

apdst said:

Are you going to outlaw camping, everytime there's a forest fire?

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Last I checked it doesn't cost anything to grow trees(maybe money to pay someone to plant them),forest fires also occur naturally and depending on the part of the country you are in forest fires help trees. Millions of gallons of oil spewing into the gulf does not help the ocean life, oil on beaches does not help with tourism and will cost a **** load of money to have it all cleaned up.

How long will it take those towns and cities to recover from the loss of revenue from the lack of tourist,fishing and other things?
How long will it take to plug the oil leak?
How much will it cost to clean up that oil?
How will this affect seafood prices?
How much is the consumer going to get screwed up the pump after this mess is over?
How long will it take to clean up the oil mess?

jamesrage said:

Last I checked it doesn't cost anything to grow trees(maybe money to pay someone to plant them),forest fires also occur naturally and depending on the part of the country you are in forest fires help trees.

How long will it take those towns and cities to recover from the loss of revenue from the lack of tourist,fishing and other things?
How long will it take to plug the oil leak?
How much will it cost to clean up that oil?
How will this affect seafood prices?
How much is the consumer going to get screwed up the pump after this mess is over?
How long will it take to clean up the oil mess?

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Dunno, Dunno, Dunno! I know that a 6 month drilling moratorium will put a ****load of people out of work.

The Gulf Coast's economy has already taken a hit. How do you justify harming it eveb more? Unemploying tens of thousands of people sure as hell isn't going to cap the well, or clean up the spill any quicker.

apdst said:

Dunno, Dunno, Dunno! I know that a 6 month drilling moratorium will put a ****load of people out of work.

The Gulf Coast's economy has already taken a hit. How do you justify harming it eveb more? Unemploying tens of thousands of people sure as hell isn't going to cap the well, or clean up the spill any quicker.

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You are correct .....A offshore drilling rig's operational cost is in or around 250,000 dollars a week if not more depending on the size, I hope those who support the moritorium on offshore drilling realize that these rigs will not sit around and wait for the ban to be lifted. There is a demand for these platforms around the world, and believe they will pull up stakes and leave to where the money is.

deltabtry said:

You are correct .....A offshore drilling rig's operational cost is in or around 250,000 dollars a week if not more depending on the size, I hope those who support the moritorium on offshore drilling realize that these rigs will not sit around and wait for the ban to be lifted. There is a demand for these platforms around the world, and believe they will pull up stakes and leave to where the money is.

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The people who support this moratorium don't give a **** if people are put out of work.

apdst said:

Dunno, Dunno, Dunno! I know that a 6 month drilling moratorium will put a ****load of people out of work.

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A **** load of people out of a job sounds a lot better than years of cleanup and a lot better than high seafood prices and lost revenue from tourist.

The Gulf Coast's economy has already taken a hit. How do you justify harming it eveb more?

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How do you justify the building of more rigs when these companies who are ran by people who live in wealthy modern nations not some **** hole 3rd world communist country have shown that they can not adequately close off a leak? A couple of days a week at most would be a adequate time frame to close a leak off before it does a significant amount of damage not two or three months or more.

Unemploying tens of thousands of people sure as hell isn't going to cap the well, or clean up the spill any quicker.

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But it will prevent more oil leak disasters. If it only took a few days or even a week at most for BP to fix the leak I would be right on board with off shore oil drilling. Maybe if some other massive worst case disaster oil leak from offshore oil drilling occurs and it only takes a few days or a week at most to close off and clean the mess up that then sure allow all the offshore drilling you can. This is like asking to build nuclear power facility right after Chernobyl disaster. Right now the worst case scenario which has happened with off shore oil drilling justifies the moratorium.

apdst said:

The people who support this moratorium don't give a **** if people are put out of work.

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You are right. Those jobs do not mean squat if the gulf and gulf coast line can be turned into a cespool and seafood prices go up, there are no tourist visiting the beaches,buying merchandise and other things.

lizzie said:

My husband grew up in BR, La, and lots of our friends live in the southern part of the state. With all the loss of income from the fishing industry and tourism, you guys need to be able to make up for all the loss of income into the state. What I don't understand about the whole drilling issue is why not drill inshore and within close proximity to the coast? It seems to me that this should be far safer than drilling 50 miles out in deep water, as evidenced by the recent catastrophe. I just don't see how traditional drilling could be more dangerous.

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lizzie said:

It does seem that way, but imo, it's insane. Why in the hell would anyone believe that drilling 5000 feet down 50 miles off shore is a good idea? I realize it's common, but it seems risky to me with my limited knowledge of drilling. Wouldn't incidents such as this one be much easier to contain and repair in significantly lower depths?

I mean, if you're going to allow drilling, why is it significant where you drill, especially if the hazards are less inshore and in shallower offshore areas?

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I don't think folks are getting the correct message here. Only deep water drilling has been suspended, not shallow water drilling per this article from MSNBC.com. But ever since this oil spill disaster and the ensuing shakeup of Minerals Management Service (MMS), officials within the goverment haven't been so quick to issue permits and this has apparently caused some concerns and confusion.

The President has stated the obvious concerning deep water drilling - it's easier to deal with problems from shallow water drilling rigs than it is with deep water drill rigs. As such, I can understand why the moratorium is in place. Still, I can also understand why the domestic oil industry as a whole is under heavy scrutiny. Safety concerns, particularly with deep water drilling, are now on the minds of many. Nonetheless, while I understand the economic concerns people like the governor of MS has for the Gulf Coast region as well as the nation, I think he misses the mark just alittle here. It's as if he's more concerned with the loss of jobs rather than being concerned that proper safety and containment measures are in place by these oil companies. I mean, if BP's spil containment plan was totally bogus, how many others are just as screwed up? From my perspective, I'd think a moratorium on deep water drilling was the right call. But shallow water drilling should continue.

My hope is that this issue gets straightened out soon so that people can get back to work and that this nation doesn't see a forced increase in gas prices. But the oil industry as a whole where off-shore drilling is concerned really did need this wakeup call and so did the nation.

Pitwolfy said:

This is one of those times where I'm not quite sure if a poster is being sarcastic or not. Since I don't know you I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this is a sarcastic response and worthy of a GUFFAW !!!

:lamo

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yes it was a sarcastic response.

Objective Voice said:

I don't think folks are getting the correct message here. Only deep water drilling has been suspended, not shallow water drilling per this article from MSNBC.com. But ever since this oil spill disaster and the ensuing shakeup of Minerals Management Service (MMS), officials within the goverment haven't been so quick to issue permits and this has apparently caused some concerns and confusion.

The President has stated the obvious concerning deep water drilling - it's easier to deal with problems from shallow water drilling rigs than it is with deep water drill rigs. As such, I can understand why the moratorium is in place. Still, I can also understand why the domestic oil industry as a whole is under heavy scrutiny. Safety concerns, particularly with deep water drilling, are now on the minds of many. Nonetheless, while I understand the economic concerns people like the governor of MS has for the Gulf Coast region as well as the nation, I think he misses the mark just alittle here. It's as if he's more concerned with the loss of jobs rather than being concerned that proper safety and containment measures are in place by these oil companies. I mean, if BP's spil containment plan was totally bogus, how many others are just as screwed up? From my perspective, I'd think a moratorium on deep water drilling was the right call. But shallow water drilling should continue.

My hope is that this issue gets straightened out soon so that people can get back to work and that this nation doesn't see a forced increase in gas prices. But the oil industry as a whole where off-shore drilling is concerned really did need this wakeup call and so did the nation.

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There is rightful concern that this turns into the 3 mile island of the drilling industry. Three mile island essentially shut off the growth of nuclear power in the U.S. for thirty years though it caused no deaths.

I understand that perfectly same as I understand why the "tree huggers" pushed for off-shore drilling being conducted in deeper waters. Safety. But for all the blame being placed on this legitimate concern, I place more of the blame on the oil industry AND the government.

The oil industry for overstating, over simplifying and/or outright falsifying what they could do in deep water in the event of a disaster such as this one, and the government for turning a blind eye on regulartory oversight (issuing permits unethically and the lack of comprehensive inspections).

My hope is this will be a wakeup call across the board for the industry, the government (local, state and federal) and the nation to do things much better than they've done until now.

I saw two very brave, well spoken, common sense women speaking before congress. They were the wives of two men lost in the disaster. They spoke at lenghth about their losses. They also spoke about changes they would like to see. But they were adament about one change they did not want and that was ceasing of off shore drilling. They were very proud of their husbands and both men loved their jobs, and the life it allowed them to live. Both men felt they were being of service to their country by providing such a needed resourse to our country and not depending solely on foreign oil. These women do not want their husbands lives to be in vain and they feel that a ban on off shore drilling is the absolute wrong way to go, and something these men would not want to see.

jamesrage said:

A **** load of people out of a job sounds a lot better than years of cleanup and a lot better than high seafood prices and lost revenue from tourist.

How do you justify the building of more rigs when these companies who are ran by people who live in wealthy modern nations not some **** hole 3rd world communist country have shown that they can not adequately close off a leak? A couple of days a week at most would be a adequate time frame to close a leak off before it does a significant amount of damage not two or three months or more.



But it will prevent more oil leak disasters. If it only took a few days or even a week at most for BP to fix the leak I would be right on board with off shore oil drilling. Maybe if some other massive worst case disaster oil leak from offshore oil drilling occurs and it only takes a few days or a week at most to close off and clean the mess up that then sure allow all the offshore drilling you can. This is like asking to build nuclear power facility right after Chernobyl disaster. Right now the worst case scenario which has happened with off shore oil drilling justifies the moratorium.

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Putting 20,000+ oilfield workers out of work isn't going to speed up the clean up. In case you haven't noticed, that horse is already out of the barn.

Are you going to support a bailout of oilfield service companies, since you support the government putting them all out of business?

Objective Voice said:

I understand that perfectly same as I understand why the "tree huggers" pushed for off-shore drilling being conducted in deeper waters. Safety. But for all the blame being placed on this legitimate concern, I place more of the blame on the oil industry AND the government.

The oil industry for overstating, over simplifying and/or outright falsifying what they could do in deep water in the event of a disaster such as this one, and the government for turning a blind eye on regulartory oversight (issuing permits unethically and the lack of comprehensive inspections).

My hope is this will be a wakeup call across the board for the industry, the government (local, state and federal) and the nation to do things much better than they've done until now.

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The first step, is to figur out how the well blew out, which no one really knows.

apdst said:

Putting 20,000+ oilfield workers out of work isn't going to speed up the clean up. In case you haven't noticed, that horse is already out of the barn.

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No more offshore oil drilling ensures no more oil leak disasters. Why is it so hard to understand that we do not want to take another chance at another oil leak? They still haven't finished cleaning up the Exxon Valdez mess

Are you going to support a bailout of oilfield service companies, since you support the government putting them all out of business?

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Why should the government bail them out? It is not the government's responsibility to provide jobs. Because the government says we do not want the gulf of Mexico and the coastal area turning into a cesspool they are supposed to somehow provide jobs? Besides that is BP going to bail out the fishermen for lost revenue, is BP going to bail out the businesses that depend on tourist for their lost revenue, and what about the cities and everyone else that depend on extra sales taxes?

jamesrage said:

No more offshore oil drilling ensures no more oil leak disasters. Why is it so hard to understand that we do not want to take another chance at another oil leak? They still haven't finished cleaning up the Exxon Valdez mess


Why should the government bail them out? It is not the government's responsibility to provide jobs. Because the government says we do not want the gulf of Mexico and the coastal area turning into a cesspool they are supposed to somehow provide jobs? Besides that is BP going to bail out the fishermen for lost revenue, is BP going to bail out the businesses that depend on tourist for their lost revenue, and what about the cities and everyone else that depend on extra sales taxes?

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A fellow Conservative that's drank the whole jug of kool-aid. I feel sorry for you, bro.

apdst said:

A fellow Conservative that's drank the whole jug of kool-aid. I feel sorry for you, bro.

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I am just looking at things logically. I just do not think it is worth another couple months or more of a **** load of oil leaking into the gulf and years and decades of clean up. Can you ensure that another oil leak disaster like BP's will not happen again? You can't. If anyone is the kool aid drinker it is the one who still supports deep water off shore oil drilling after the the BP disaster.

jamesrage said:

I am just looking at things logically. I just do not think it is worth another couple months or more of a **** load of oil leaking into the gulf and years and decades of clean up. Can you ensure that another oil leak disaster like BP's will not happen again? You can't. If anyone is the kool aid drinker it is the one who still supports deep water off shore oil drilling after the the BP disaster.

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When you consider that 40 thousand+ wells have been drilled in the GOM and one blows out, then the odds are against it. Can you show me another American industry with a track record that good?

apdst said:

When you consider that 40 thousand+ wells have been drilled in the GOM and one blows out, then the odds are against it. Can you show me another American industry with a track record that good?

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A higher number of wells just means that the chance for another oil leak disaster like BP's is greatly increased. Seeing how there are 40,000+ wells and no quick solutions to fixing the leak is very troubling. What if another oil leak disaster happens? The BP oil leak is going to take decades to clean and there is no telling how long term the effects are.

washunut said:

Maybe next time the state wll vote for Obama. Then they may get the same attention unions do.

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They might vote for Obami but extra attention? Not a hope in hell!!

jamesrage said:

A higher number of wells just means that the chance for another oil leak disaster like BP's is greatly increased. Seeing how there are 40,000+ wells and no quick solutions to fixing the leak is very troubling. What if another oil leak disaster happens? The BP oil leak is going to take decades to clean and there is no telling how long term the effects are.

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The number of vehicles on public roads increases year by year, as does the incidents of crashes, perhaps we should stop putting so many vehicles on the roads?

jujuman13 said:

The number of vehicles on public roads increases year by year, as does the incidents of crashes, perhaps we should stop putting so many vehicles on the roads?

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Not only that, think about the inefficiencies caused by congested public roads, the environmental effects of carbon fuels, etc.

jujuman13 said:

The number of vehicles on public roads increases year by year, as does the incidents of crashes, perhaps we should stop putting so many vehicles on the roads?

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A vehicle crash is not going to destroy streets and neighborhoods surrounding it the wreck, destroy the livelihood of countless businesses, nor is that wreck going to burn for months or take decades to clean up a car wreck. I could be wrong but I never seen a car wreck do that I haven't even a ten car pile up do that either.

James, dude, ok man, I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt. Not sure why, maybe because you lean right so you have a chance at coming around.

First of all, we gotta have crude. Our nation runs on it. We either suck it out of our own GOM, out of shale, or from our wonderful friends and neighbors such as Iran and Venezuela. By you stopping drilling, you are literally helping the terrorist nations tremendously and hurting our nation tremendously. You are making us have to buy that much more oil from nations that basically want us all dead AND NOT ONLY THAT, but you're putting tens of thousands of Americans out of work. Maybe you don't give a **** about them, but I do.

I know you don't know this as you don't live on the Gulf coast, but with hurricanes Katrina, Rita, Gustav and Ike HUNDREDS of platforms were knocked into the gulf, destroyed. NOT A SINGLE ONE LEAKED!! EVERY SINGLE SAFETY SHUTOFF VALVE WORKED AS DESIGNED! Why did you not hear about it? Because when something works as designed it typically doesn't make the 6'oclock news.

Banning offshore drilling is the most imbecilic thing Bobo could have done. He just shows his ignorance and cluelessness and lack of leadership every time he opens his mouth. But hey, he was a community organizer from Chicago, how much do you expect him to know about drilling in the Gulf? About as much as he's demonstrated he knows.