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Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz

Quit trying to derail productive discussion, or leave.
We'll question the validity of this edited tape all we want.
 
how do we know it is the truth then, if they admitted to editing tapes, so I can never fully trust these tapes in question. Why not give the media the whole tape instead of what the IDF wants us too see as the full truth. Are the scared that it will damage their case of self defense

They admitted to editing out blank air, they have, also, provided an unedited version.

Unedited Radio Transmission: Go back to Auschwitz
 
Spare me the drama that you lack in your life.

So basically, you will continue to impose your will on those who see it as meaningless and futile to do so and resist, and this thread will go nowhere for another few pages. Gotchya, just wanted to call it now.
 

The IDF admitted today in a press release that it doctored audio footage from its exchanges with the Gaza flotilla in order to paint the flotilla passengers as anti-Semites. I am beginning to wonder if the Israeli military hired James O'Keefe to handle its press shop.

This is the IDF's "clarification:"
Yesterday evening on 4 June 2010, the IDF released an audio recording of a radio transmission between the Israeli Navy vessel and the Flotilla ships wherein unidentified flotilla passengers tell the Israeli Navy vessel to "shut up, go back to Auschwitz" and "we're helping Arabs go against the US, don't forget 9/11." There have been questions regarding the authenticity of the recording as well as its attribution to a communication with the Mavi Marmara.

So to clarify: the audio was edited down to cut out periods of silence over the radio as well as incomprehensible comments so as to make it easier for people to listen to the exchange. We have now uploaded the entire segment of 5 minutes and 58 seconds in which the exchange took place and the comments were made.

This transmission had originally cited the Mavi Marmara ship as being the source of these remarks, however, due to an open channel, the specific ship or ships in the "Freedom Flotilla" responding to the Israeli Navy could not be identified. During radio transmissions between Israeli Navy and the ships of the "Free Gaza" Flotilla on 31 May 2010, the Israeli Navy ship attempts to make contact with the 'Defne Y' on channel 1-6. Other ships from the flotilla respond on the channel, without identifying themselves. At some point during the radio exchange the Israeli Navy is told by one of the ships to "shut up, go back to Auschwitz" (2:05) and "don't forget 9-11? (5:42).
It's nice that the IDF has "clarified" its doctoring of footage. But the new clip it has released that supposedly shows "the entire segment...in which the exchange took place and the comments were made" is highly suspect as well. Why? Because it contains an exchange with Huwaida Arraf that Arraf claims took place on an entirely different attempt to break the siege - Arraf has led previous aid boats to Gaza that were intercepted and hijacked by the IDF. Arraf told Ma'an News:

You and 1069 are easily told what to think.

Doctored the tapes is a blatant lie. They edited it to highlight a point. And since they released the full audio, it takes a serious lack of logical thought to conclude the tapes were"Doctored". I understand though, it's Israel, they're Jews.. it's okay to hate them.
 
RyrineaHaruno, you've shown yourself to be an anti-semite with that link.

This is from the front page of your "source":
http://www.sott.net/
Best of the Web: George Galloway: Israel's Days Are Numbered
http://www.sott.net/signs/list_by_category/2-Axis-of-Evil


So if you, and 1069 wanna stand behind that site, and it's analysis... well that proves my point about the Anti-Israeli origin of most of the "doubt" around here. I didn't know DP had this many bigots.
 
I find it hard to believe that you are so unobservant as to not have noticed the bigotry rampant across the site, and even to be found in threads in which you have posted.
 
I find it hard to believe that you are so unobservant as to not have noticed the bigotry rampant across the site, and even to be found in threads in which you have posted.

I was referring to the bigotry towards Israel. Doubting the IDF Tape, and then using a site like the above listed as a credible resource to question the IDF.
 
I was referring to the bigotry towards Israel. Doubting the IDF Tape, and then using a site like the above listed as a credible resource to question the IDF.

I disagree that "doubting the IDF tape" is "bigotry toward Israel".

I'll wait for confirmation from an independent, unbiased source.
It's called having a brain.
Thank you.
 
Moderator's Warning:
All the various personal attacks need to be reigned in, quickly.
 
So, I am a bigot, because I doubt the IDF tapes as the full truth of the events? This is the most ridiculous statements, because I would say it having a brain instead of believing everything one source tells you.


With this story one of the Commandos have said



http://gulfnews.com/news/region/palestinian-territories/israelis-subdued-captain-by-pointing-gun-at-a-child-1.636007 Plus the fact the captain says they aimed a gun at at his 1 year old child to subdue him.

I also agree with 1069 that it called having a brain in doubting the IDF tapes, and it is not bigotry towards Israels. So I can't criticizes Israel with out being a bigot which is a ridiculous statement already.
 
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So I am a biogt, because I doubt the IDF tapes as the full truth of the events? That is the most riddouls statments ever, since I am for the truth thoes soruces you posted


With this story one of the Commandos have said

I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove?

gulfnews : Israelis subdued captain by pointing gun at a child Plus the fact the captain says they aimed a gun at at his 1 year old child. I also agree with 1069 that it called having a brain in doubting the IDF tapes, and it is not bigotry towards Israels. So I can't criztices Iseral with out being a bigto which is a riddouls statment already.

lol so you believe the captain of the Mavi Marmara who brought his 1 year old child on board as a human shield which was owned and crewed by the Turkish Jihadist organization the IHH? Ya there's a real credible source. Do they have audio or video evidence of that encounter?
 
I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove?



lol so you believe the captain of the Mavi Marmara who brought his 1 year old child on board as a human shield which was owned and crewed by the Turkish Jihadist organization the IHH? Ya there's a real credible source. Do they have audio or video evidence of that encounter?

I saw an interview between the BBC and a Israeli official. The BBC kept asking when they were going to be releasing the videos of the shootings and timed events. They kept saying when they were available and saying how good it was that the Turks had released the same videos as them, We need to be able to see the timed videos from before boarding to see what happened - and recordings.

(bed calls)
 
I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove?



lol so you believe the captain of the Mavi Marmara who brought his 1 year old child on board as a human shield which was owned and crewed by the Turkish Jihadist organization the IHH? Ya there's a real credible source. Do they have audio or video evidence of that encounter?

So you think this is a Turkish Jihadist organization, because they were bring a humanitarian aid ship more PR propaganda. However I do want the full tapes released, so I could draw my own collusion of the tapes in question. If the Israeli fired first that brakes their self defense claims, and you think he would use his own daughter as a human shield just because he is from Turkey. The thing is they keep pooping out one allegation after another which the retracted a day latter is the reason I doubt the Israeli accounts of event.
 
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So you think this is a Turkish Jihadist organization, because they were bring a humanitarian aid ship more PR propaganda.

No I believe they are a jihadist organization because they are a jihadist organization:

IHH, which plays a central role in organizing the flotilla to the Gaza Strip, is a Turkish humanitarian relief fund with a radical Islamic anti-Western orientation. Besides its legitimate philanthropic activities, it supports radical Islamic networks, including Hamas, and at least in the past, even global jihad elements.

IHH - a Turkish humanitarian relief fund with a radical Islamic anti-Western orientation.

3 of the crew are on record in Turkish newspapers stating how they dreamt of becoming Shahid, we have them on video invoking battle cries against the Jews, we have closeup videos of them stabbing Israeli weapons inspectors and beating them with metal clubs, etc etc.

However I do want the full tapes released, so I could draw my own collusion of the tapes in question. If the Israeli fired first that brakes their self defense claims, and you think he would use his own daughter as a human shield just because he is from Turkey. The thing is they keep pooping out one allegation after another which the retracted a day latter is the reason I doubt the Israeli accounts of event.

They haven't retracted anything all of their assertions have proven to be true.
 
Israel = guilty until proven guilty, gotcha.

In a terrible situation like this, further investigation is warranted!
I would not simply take the word of anyone involved, no matter what country they were from!
Do the Israelis fart perfume and **** snickerdoodles? They're people.
Just ordinary people, just like in any other country.
And yes, no matter which nation was involved in an incident like this, it would warrant independent investigation.
We don't simply take their word, just because they're the apparently-irreproachable Iraelis, for cripe sake.
Is everybody nuts?
 
I disagree that "doubting the IDF tape" is "bigotry toward Israel".

I'll wait for confirmation from an independent, unbiased source.
It's called having a brain.
Thank you.
Yes, that's why you thanked Ryr's posted link to an aggressively anti-Israeli hate site. If that's what you consider usage of your brain....
 
The activists responded to the use of deadly force.

Did you watch the same video I did?
I saw a guy land from a helicopter and start getting beat down with metal poles before he even ****ing landed.

Your a rabid anti-israel loon.
 
In a terrible situation like this, further investigation is warranted!
I would not simply take the word of anyone involved, no matter what country they were from!
Do the Israelis fart perfume and **** snickerdoodles? They're people.
Just ordinary people, just like in any other country.
And yes, no matter which nation was involved in an incident like this, it would warrant independent investigation.
We don't simply take their word, just because they're the apparently-irreproachable Iraelis, for cripe sake.
Is everybody nuts?

They aren't asking you to accept their word, the "activists" on the jihadist flotilla are the ones asking you to accept them at their word, the Israelis are providing EVIDENCE.
 
In a terrible situation like this, further investigation is warranted!

It's only terrible because you know Israel TRIES to follow the rules, and actually cares if people get upset. It's a cheap shot at a country you hate and know you can attack with impunity.

I would not simply take the word of anyone involved, no matter what country they were from!
But you WILL take the word of an anti-Israeli hate site.

Do the Israelis fart perfume and **** snickerdoodles? They're people.
Just ordinary people, just like in any other country.
And yes, no matter which nation was involved in an incident like this, it would warrant independent investigation.
We don't simply take their word, just because they're the apparently-irreproachable Iraelis, for cripe sake.
Is everybody nuts?

No one is nuts, you are doubting without evidence, you claim you'd "Call for" blah blah blah... I call BS.

No one is calling the Israelis irreproachable. We're asking for something more tangible then "I don't trust it, it might be FAKED!!"

The IDF has done EVERYTHING they can to prove the recording is legit. Up to, and including a full release of the raw feed. But noooo, that's not enough for you, you're SMART and you use your BRAIN. A full investigation is required before this tape can be called authentic!!!!

You know that there will be no major investigation of the tape, so you can blather on knowing you can just claim you're impartial. How big of you.
 
They aren't asking you to accept their word, the "activists" on the jihadist flotilla are the ones asking you to accept them at their word, the Israelis are providing EVIDENCE.

Except they already admitted to tampering with the evidence. Apparently credibility is a not an issue for you.
 
Except they already admitted to tampering with the evidence. Apparently credibility is a not an issue for you.

They edited it down, and also released the RAW AUDIO.

So, that's not "Tampering" with evidence. You should look up the word, and while you are at it, look up "context" and "logic".
 
They edited it down, and also released the RAW AUDIO.

So, that's not "Tampering" with evidence. You should look up the word, and while you are at it, look up "context" and "logic".

So should I jump on defense attorneys in court when they decide to play my in car video and fast forward through the times when I am back at my car and quietly looking up info on the computer and doing nothing with their client... they do this in order to EDIT IT DOWN so we aren't wasting the courts time watching me breathe, cough, and talk to myself.
 
Except they already admitted to tampering with the evidence. Apparently credibility is a not an issue for you.

:roll: A) Editing out blank air =/= tampering, B) they have already released the entire unedited version.

Furthermore; there is much more evidence than this audio recording which points us to the true nature of these "peace activists", the Flotilla was organized by the jihadist affiliated Islamist organization the IHH of Turkey, they owned and operated three of the ships involved including the one that attacked the weapons inspectors, we have three of the "activists" on record by Turkish newspapers stating their desire to become Shahid (martyrs), we have video/audio of the "activists" invoking battle cries against the Jews, we have close up video of one of the weapons inspectors being stabbed and another being beaten by metal pipes. Considering all of that I would suggest that the word of the IDF is far superior in this matter than that of the ringleader of the Jihadist flotilla.
 
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