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CIA Authorized to Kill US Citizen Who Was Suspected Terrorist

Hatuey said:
I don't know and couldn't say. The article only says the CIA was authorized to kill a U.S. citizen and has people complaining about how 'illegal' that is. My thoughts are this:

The constitution states that a person can't be convicted of treason without the testimony of two people.

Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.​

My thoughts is that a lot of these guys have been convicted in absentia by the previous administration but due to people who perceive such practices to be 'illegal' - that hasn't been made 'public' yet.
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A) It specifically says in an open court.

B) He was never convicted of anything, a U.S. citizen can not be denied his right to life, liberty, or property without DUE PROCESS, read the ****ing 5th amendment!
 
Evenglischatiest said:
Is anything beyond the legitimate powers of the government? If a citizen can be marked for execution without any publicly presented evidence, I see no limit what so ever.

And no, I don't believe Bush would have done anything different. I assume he did the exact same thing, probably many times. It was murder then, and it's murder now. The only difference to me is that I know about this one. I'm all in favor of the death penalty, and I'd probably be rooting for this guy to fry. But the authority to take a life in secret, is an authority that can't be allowed to exist.
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Atleast FDR held secret military tribunals before he had the German saboteurs executed from the ex parte quirin case and they weren't even American citizens, but this guy was given no due process whatsoever.
 
bhkad said:
But not me. I'm okay with it.
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So you're okay with ANY U.S. citizen who is only suspected of wrong-doing to be killed by the CIA without getting a trial?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
We are at war, if you wage war against the US, you revoke your citizenship.
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Reverend_Hellh0und, I hereby accuse you of waging war against America.

Seeing as how we don't need courts or warrants anymore, I suggest you flee to a non-extradition treaty country.

Or maybe we should stick to the principles on which this country was founded. A CIA analyst flagging you is not due process.
 
Evenglischatiest said:
So, if Deuce were an FBI agent, it would work that way?
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No. If Deuce had any kind of evidence on the Rev, the Rev refused to come to trial, the Rev actually planned attacks on the U.S., you know where I'm gioing with this.

I see assertions of terrorist ties, but nothing hinting at a trial, or even a military tribunal.
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Meh. No need to. He became a fugitive and decided to wave his rights while continuing to plan attacks on the U.S. - Boom - boom kaboom.
 
Hatuey said:
Meh. No need to. He became a fugitive and decided to wave his rights while continuing to plan attacks on the U.S. - Boom - boom kaboom.
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I'll admit to having no knowledge of this guy at all, except what's been presented here. But no evidence of a trial, either in person or in abscentia,
has been presented. If you can show me that such a trial was conducted, and guilt of a capital offense proved, this discussion becomes moot.

Otherwise, accepting guilt by fiat is accepting one's place as the physical property of the government.
 
Deuce said:
Reverend_Hellh0und, I hereby accuse you of waging war against America.

Seeing as how we don't need courts or warrants anymore, I suggest you flee to a non-extradition treaty country.

Or maybe we should stick to the principles on which this country was founded. A CIA analyst flagging you is not due process.
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I was thinking more of seeing some dood blow something up, or shooting at American troops, or something along those lines than a simple accusation... :shrug:
 
Mellie said:
He probably was a scumbag terrorist, but he was still an American citizen. Since when can the government choose to kill a citizen without due process?
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Whenever that citizen chooses to make war against the US.
 
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