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Local School Suspends Student for Removing MEXICAN Flag

1069 said:
It was Cinco de Mayo the other day. That could have something to do with the flag.
It's a huge celebration of Mexican independence, celebrated widely in border states. Students put on pageants, sing traditional songs in Spanish, schools are festooned with Mexican flags.

Most kids- latino, black, or white- just consider it another fun holiday.
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It is NOT. It commemorates a victory over the French during the days of Napoleon III. Mexican independence is in September. This is NOT a huge celebration in Mexico.
 
ludahai said:
It is NOT. It commemorates a victory over the French during the days of Napoleon III. Mexican independence is in September. This is NOT a huge celebration in Mexico.
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Exactly.

That said, there are clearly some real ****-stirrers behind all of this stupid, moronic, hate-driven, game of oneupmanship faux nationalistic idiocy. Classic bigotry used as a tool to distract the masses from seeing who it is that is REALLY scewing them over and how they are doing it.

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."
 
ludahai said:
It is NOT. It commemorates a victory over the French during the days of Napoleon III. Mexican independence is in September. This is NOT a huge celebration in Mexico.
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It's a huge celebration in Texas, and other border states, I said.
And yes, it is celebrated quite widely in Mexico, too.
My dad has a place in Saltillo and lives down there nearly half the time.
He told me they celebrate it.
 
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1069 said:
It was Cinco de Mayo the other day. That could have something to do with the flag.
It's a huge celebration of Mexican independence, celebrated widely in border states. Students put on pageants, sing traditional songs in Spanish, schools are festooned with Mexican flags.

Most kids- latino, black, or white- just consider it another fun holiday.
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I thought it was a Hallmark Holiday. Other posts are saying that in Mexico it's just another day.
 
The trully sad part, is that if this were a Mexican kid taking down an American flag, nothing would even be said about it.
 
Captain America said:
I thought it was a Hallmark Holiday. Other posts are saying that in Mexico it's just another day.
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It is celebrated lavishly in certain parts of Mexico; in others, it's celebrated the way it is here: by the kids putting on a pageant and doing a Cinco de Mayo art project in school, perhaps.
Think President's Day, MLK Day, or a lot of other national holidays that schools play up for the kids, but grownups don't really care about that much, unless they're the "any excuse for a party" kind of grownups.
 
Orion said:
It was school property...
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Who pays for the school?

That would be WE THE PEOPLE.

Government losers and goons think they're above us. People need to stand up...
 
Goshin said:
Ya know, if I was attending school in Mexico, I wouldn't expect them to put up a US flag just so I'd feel at home.

Also, I wouldn't pitch a fit and be offended if Mexicans IN Mexico were wearing the Mexican flag on July 4th.... it would be in THEIR country and Independence Day is MY holiday, so WTF would I care?

OTOH expecting US to refrain from displaying the US flag on Cinco de Mayo, or putting up Mex flags in public schools... I mean dayum, does nobody see how nuts this is?

Why do WE always have to be the ones to worry about offending people? Why do WE always have to be sensitive? Nobody else seems to give a flying frack if they offend US in some way.
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We're the only country who does these kinds of silly things.

France doesn't apologize for their nationalism and institutionalized culturalism.

Switzerland has a strict, even prohibitive immigration policy; an illegal alien would be removed from the country post-haste and with little ceremony.

Only neurotic Americans feel the need to apologize for being American. Damn PC ****ers...
 
I think these kids deserve suspension for what they did. I do think the school was moronic and in the wrong for putting up a Mexican flag, but the students choosing to rebel and remove it was not right either. If anything they could protest it or go to the administrators and tell them that it offended them some way. Yes I think the school acted wrongly, but so did the students and therefore they deserve to be suspended for their actions.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
:lol: I think things are a little screwy no? :shock:
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Since this is a blog and we'll never get the full story... let me ask the obvious.

Who owned the flag and why was it up?

Why did the kid take it down?

Why did the mother call to complain about a flag?

Has the kid had problems at the school?

It mentions the kid has to pay for the flag--did he destroy it or something? That would seem kind of violent and over the top.

Was this in Texas or California? Mexico's history and culture are a big part of Ca, Az, Tx, NM. Celebrating where you're from is part of being American. There's only one group that can call themselves natives and they ain't white.

Mexicans and their ancestors where on the North American continent way before your people were, Rev.

Should we knock down all the Missions? If so, then every Protestant church in New England has to go as well, right? Fair is fair.


Rev:

I gotta say, some of the stories you're posting lately, you're starting to come off as really bigoted toward Mexicans.

If it was a British flag or German flag celebrating some sort of event in a world history class, would you have a problem with that?
 
hazlnut said:
Since this is a blog and we'll never get the full story... let me ask the obvious.

Who owned the flag and why was it up?

Why did the kid take it down?

Why did the mother call to complain about a flag?

Has the kid had problems at the school?

It mentions the kid has to pay for the flag--did he destroy it or something? That would seem kind of violent and over the top.

Was this in Texas or California? Mexico's history and culture are a big part of Ca, Az, Tx, NM. Celebrating where you're from is part of being American. There's only one group that can call themselves natives and they ain't white.

Mexicans and their ancestors where on the North American continent way before your people were, Rev.

Should we knock down all the Missions? If so, then every Protestant church in New England has to go as well, right? Fair is fair.


Rev:

I gotta say, some of the stories you're posting lately, you're starting to come off as really bigoted toward Mexicans.

If it was a British flag or German flag celebrating some sort of event in a world history class, would you have a problem with that?
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What if it was an Irish Flag for St. Paddy's Day, in a community with a lot of people who take pride in their Irish ancestry?
 
1069 said:
It is celebrated lavishly in certain parts of Mexico; in others, it's celebrated the way it is here: by the kids putting on a pageant and doing a Cinco de Mayo art project in school, perhaps.
Think President's Day, MLK Day, or a lot of other national holidays that schools play up for the kids, but grownups don't really care about that much, unless they're the "any excuse for a party" kind of grownups.
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I lived in Mexico for a few months, including May. Not a local I spoke with there considered May 5th any kind of holiday. It wasn't even mentioned, much to my dismay since I was hoping for a huge party. But nope. Nada.
 
rivrrat said:
I lived in Mexico for a few months, including May. Not a local I spoke with there considered May 5th any kind of holiday. It wasn't even mentioned, much to my dismay since I was hoping for a huge party. But nope. Nada.
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I think that St Patrick's Day is a pretty good analogy for what Cinco de Mayo is to Mexicans.
Except, as I said, in certain areas of Mexico, where it's celebrated big-time.
 
hazlnut said:
Since this is a blog and we'll never get the full story... let me ask the obvious.

Who owned the flag and why was it up?

Why did the kid take it down?

Why did the mother call to complain about a flag?

Has the kid had problems at the school?

It mentions the kid has to pay for the flag--did he destroy it or something? That would seem kind of violent and over the top.

Was this in Texas or California? Mexico's history and culture are a big part of Ca, Az, Tx, NM. Celebrating where you're from is part of being American. There's only one group that can call themselves natives and they ain't white.

Mexicans and their ancestors where on the North American continent way before your people were, Rev.

Should we knock down all the Missions? If so, then every Protestant church in New England has to go as well, right? Fair is fair.


Rev:

I gotta say, some of the stories you're posting lately, you're starting to come off as really bigoted toward Mexicans.

If it was a British flag or German flag celebrating some sort of event in a world history class, would you have a problem with that?
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What if someone put up a Blood Flag on Hitler's birthday? You would go along with that?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
:lol: I think things are a little screwy no? :shock:
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can we understand that the OP and others who are indignant about the student being punished for taking the nonrepresentative flag down would be similarly upset at a student being subject to punishment for removing a confederate flag
 
justabubba said:
can we understand that the OP and others who are indignant about the student being punished for taking the nonrepresentative flag down would be similarly upset at a student being subject to punishment for removing a confederate flag
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Only if you can understand that the confederate flag was flown by Americans fed up with federal encroachment on state's rights, which is much more valid than another country's flag on any given day of the week. Considering a ****ing Mexican flag is given more respect than a confederate flag is very telling of the man-child mentality of those on the PC side. The Mexican flag means exactly nothing to US political history when compared to the Cofederate battle flag. Don't bother responding to this because I don't care about your opinion in light of your off topic rant.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Only if you can understand that the confederate flag was flown by Americans fed up with federal encroachment on state's rights, which is much more valid than another country's flag on any given day of the week. Considering a ****ing Mexican flag is given more respect than a confederate flag is very telling of the man-child mentality of those on the PC side. The Mexican flag means exactly nothing to US political history when compared to the Cofederate battle flag. Don't bother responding to this because I don't care about your opinion in light of your off topic rant.
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so, taking down the nonrepresentative mexican flag was a positive thing in your view while taking down the nonrepresentative confederate flag would have been a bad thing
knew i would flush you out with that one
mexican flag of the previous soverign country controlling that state not to be tolerated
confederate flag of the racist southern government is something with which you approve
got it

no wonder you didn't want me to respond and hi-lite the obvious hypocrisy of your stance
 
The school should be sensitive to displaying the mexican flag. They should have know its not a smart thing to do. They should have avoided this type of thing by simply NOT observing a "holiday" reserved for drinking and eating mexican-type foods. But that kid should never have taken that flag.

At the SAME time Im proud that he did take the flag and toss it in the garbage. Mexico needs to stay in mexico.
 
justabubba said:
so, taking down the nonrepresentative mexican flag was a positive thing in your view while taking down the nonrepresentative confederate flag would have been a bad thing
knew i would flush you out with that onemexican flag of the previous soverign country controlling that state not to be tolerated
confederate flag of the racist southern government is something with which you approve
got it

no wonder you didn't want me to respond and hi-lite the obvious hypocrisy of your stance
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So you admit to baiting? Fine, reported.
 
Better headline:

"Local School Suspends Student for Removing School Property"

Sorry, it being a mexican flag doesn't suddenly make it fair game any more than if it was a sign for student council, a banner welcoming students, a giant snow flake, a confederate flag, or any other decoration the school puts up.

Tired of this bull**** notion that if you disagree with it political its okay to excuse, or imply your excusing it without obviously saying it (by people who think they're FAR smarter than they actually are), things that are wrong simply on principle.

If the kid didn't like it he should've gone through the proper channels. He didn't, he got in trouble, deal the **** with it kid.
 
Zyphlin said:
Better headline:

"Local School Suspends Student for Removing School Property"

Sorry, it being a mexican flag doesn't suddenly make it fair game any more than if it was a sign for student council, a banner welcoming students, a giant snow flake, a confederate flag, or any other decoration the school puts up.

Tired of this bull**** notion that if you disagree with it political its okay to excuse, or imply your excusing it without obviously saying it (by people who think they're FAR smarter than they actually are), things that are wrong simply on principle.

If the kid didn't like it he should've gone through the proper channels. He didn't, he got in trouble, deal the **** with it kid.
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That's the more reasonable route in my opinion as well. Political correctness should never be allowed to trump one's free speech rights, however in the context that the flag was school property......well vandalism, theft, etc. are not protected. The fact that the school seems to focus more on the political correctness aspect is concerning to me however.
 
Orion said:
It was school property and the kid didn't have the jurisdiction to take it down or not. That is why he got suspended.

He had a legitimate complaint but went about it the wrong way.

Also, surveillance tapes? Do a lot of American high schools have cameras now?
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Yeah.... It's a necessary evil in the current day and age. In fact, some schools have metal dectectors on the doors.
 
LaMidRighter said:
That's the more reasonable route in my opinion as well. Political correctness should never be allowed to trump one's free speech rights, however in the context that the flag was school property......well vandalism, theft, etc. are not protected. The fact that the school seems to focus more on the political correctness aspect is concerning to me however.
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You realize if they DIDN'T punish him for doing that it would've ALSO been due to "Political Correctness"; in this case the "DEY TOK ER JOBS!", Mexican and brown people are bad, "AMERICA! **** YEAH!", type mentality that pushes people to act completely irrational when it comes to these situations as if somehow the school displaying the mexican flag during a regularly recognized holiday (and hell, it could've been the SPANISH classes decoration) means they Hate America.

Essentially "Gah! You punished a kid for taking down a flag that wasn't OUR flag!? How Dare you. That offends my sensabilities. I demand you ignore that he did something completely wrong because it offends my sensabilities".
 
Zyphlin said:
You realize if they DIDN'T punish him for doing that it would've ALSO been due to "Political Correctness"; in this case the "DEY TOK ER JOBS!", Mexican and brown people are bad, "AMERICA! **** YEAH!", type mentality that pushes people to act completely irrational when it comes to these situations as if somehow the school displaying the mexican flag during a regularly recognized holiday (and hell, it could've been the SPANISH classes decoration) means they Hate America.

Essentially "Gah! You punished a kid for taking down a flag that wasn't OUR flag!? How Dare you. That offends my sensabilities. I demand you ignore that he did something completely wrong because it offends my sensabilities".
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Yeah, it's a catch 22 for sure. This is just the beginning though IMO since this pot has been simmering for decades now with lax enforcement by the fed and then the reaction of certain types of politico to the passage of the state legislation. The kid was wrong for targeting the Mexican flag the way he did, but then again when someone sees their own flag constantly attacked and maligned and then the representation of the Mexican flag comes in the form of parasites like the activist group Laraza, street thugs, etc. it's not surprising that they will go on the attack.
 
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