Election Year Terror Question: To Mirandize or Not?

[Deuce]

Election Year Terror Question: To Mirandize or Not? - Swampland - TIME.com

Arizona Sen. John McCain, just a few months from his primary, made clear his position on "Imus in the Morning" Tuesday: The Justice Department should not give suspected Times Square car bomber, Faisal Shahzad, his miranda rights. "Obviously that would be a serious mistake until all the information is gathered," he said.

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"I hope that [Attorney General Eric] Holder did discuss this with the intelligence community. If they believe they got enough from him, how much more should they get? Did they Mirandize him? I know he's an American citizen but still,” King said. “I hope that if they did read him his rights and if they are going for an indictment as opposed to a tribunal that he did discuss it with the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, all the component parts of the intelligence community.”

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"I know he's an American citizen but still." Really mister King. Please continue to explain in which circumstances you think I shouldn't have any rights. Also, go **** yourself.

Same to you, McCain.

 

[stekim]

That's reason #72 why I'm not a Republican. They only pay lip service to rights.

 

[liblady]

Election Year Terror Question: To Mirandize or Not? - Swampland - TIME.com



"I know he's an American citizen but still." Really mister King. Please continue to explain in which circumstances you think I shouldn't have any rights. Also, go **** yourself.

Same to you, McCain.

WHAT????????????????

this is seriously ****ed up.

 

[digsbe]

The Republicans care more about justice, not hurting someone's feelings. Yeah the guy deserves his Miranda rights, but as a despicable human being he deserves nothing more. We're talking about a person who wanted to blow up buildings and kill innocent people.

 

[Deuce]

The Republicans care more about justice, not hurting someone's feelings. Yeah the guy deserves his Miranda rights, but as a despicable human being he deserves nothing more. We're talking about a person who wanted to blow up buildings and kill innocent people.

We're talking about an American citizen who has rights regardless of what he has been accused of doing.

 

[stekim]

Rights are not "feelings". Go ahead and hurt his feelings.

 

[digsbe]

We're talking about an American citizen who has rights regardless of what he has been accused of doing.

And yes he is innocent until proven guilty, and deserves his Miranda rights, but he deserves nothing more. What if this man knows information about other attacks that will kill people? Are his rights more important than the lives of the innocent?

 

[Deuce]

And yes he is innocent until proven guilty, and deserves his Miranda rights, but he deserves nothing more. What if this man knows information about other attacks that will kill people? Are his rights more important than the lives of the innocent?

I didn't see the words "unless we feel threatened" in the bill of rights.

edit: But continue to discuss situations in which I should have my rights taken away.

 

[digsbe]

I didn't see the words "unless we feel threatened" in the bill of rights.

So people should die? What about the pursuit of life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? The guy should be water boarded and given hell to suck the info out of him if there is evidence that he knows of other attacks. Innocent lives are worth more than one fools feelings and rights. If convicted of the crime he should be interrogated using "harsh" methods.

 

[Zyphlin]

The Republicans care more about justice, not hurting someone's feelings.

Incorrect. If they cared more about JUSTICE then they'd be following the law and the constitution. You know, that thing so many Republicans give lip service to as they beat their chest about 2nd amendment rights but turn around and say "isn't a suicide pact".

And yes he is innocent until proven guilty, and deserves his Miranda rights, but he deserves nothing more.

Correct, and what those two Senators who didn't think he should get that.

What if this man knows information about other attacks that will kill people? Are his rights more important than the lives of the innocent?

No, his rights aren't more important. His rights are AS important until such point that he's found guilty.

There are sacrifices to be made for living in a free country and just because everyone doesn't experience them from going overseas and fighting for it doesn't mean everyone gets to be protected from those potential sacrifices. The possability for danger, even death, in the name of our freedom is the sacrifices we each give to this country. To take away that is to not only dishonor the sacrifices we all make but the sacrifices our forefathers and men and women in the military make.

We fight to protect our freedom, our constitution, our liberty. What's the point of fighting if we're going to give them away? What's the point of having our brave men and women fighting enemies abroad to keep our freedom if the people at home are taking them away anyways.

Republicans need to stop paying lip service for the constitution and our founding principles. A fair trial, self incrimination, protection from search and siezure, these are all backbones of our foundation and you don't get to spit on the Founders and our Constitution simply because you say the big T word and get away with it.

They want to take away the rights of terror suspects, they can try and pass a law and hope they can do all they can until such point that it gets stricken down for being unconstitutional...and that's IF they have the political will and currency from their constituents to pass such a law, which at this point they likely do not.

 

[Zyphlin]

If convicted of the crime he should be interrogated using "harsh" methods.

Well, I am happy to see you don't give a **** about the constitution. I do hope to never see you arguing in any 2nd amendment threads about how important the document is.

 

[TOJ]

Well, I am happy to see you don't give a **** about the constitution. I do hope to never see you arguing in any 2nd amendment threads about how important the document is.

They should have let him go, had the Dubai authorities pick him up, and have him transfered to Pakistan. The Pakistanies would treat him right... I believe.

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[stekim]

Innocent lives are worth more than one fools feelings and rights. If convicted of the crime he should be interrogated using "harsh" methods.

If we are going to act like terrorists why bother fighting them?

 

[zimmer]

Election Year Terror Question: To Mirandize or Not? - Swampland - TIME.com



"I know he's an American citizen but still." Really mister King. Please continue to explain in which circumstances you think I shouldn't have any rights. Also, go **** yourself.

Same to you, McCain.

Too bad this guy is an American.
Then the questions would be:

1. Do we waterboard him if he behaved uncooperatively?
2. Do we send him to Gitmo?

Now the question is:

3. Should he get the death penalty?
4. Or... does the Obama administration use him as another tool to assault Bush?

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[Cold Highway]

He's a US Citizen he is entitled to Miranda rights regardless if anyone likes it or not.

 

[Travelsonic]

I could simply state "When done wiping your ass with my constitution, remember to flush twice. :doh"

But that wouldn't address the points, be intellectually dishonest of me, and might get me banned from DP, so I'll put more thought into it.

So people should die?

Ensuring the constitution is upheld doesn't mean you WANT people to die, nor that doing this increases those chances per-se.

What about the pursuit of life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

[emphasis mine]

Exactly,

LIBERTY. The guy is a U.S CITIZEN, AND HAS RIGHTS.

I don't care what he has done, hasn't done, been accused of, whatever.

Our penal system, our laws - including RIGHTS to the accused citizen MUST be upheld if we want to have any shred of true moral high ground, IMO.

Innocent lives are worth more than one fools feelings and rights. If convicted of the crime he should be interrogated using "harsh" methods.

Innocent lives never justify completely throwing away the constitutional rights of a man accused of a high crime.

How is this attitude any different in terms of foolishness than that which allows people urinating in public, or two underage lovers [or the classic girl 1 year under consenting age with 18/19 yr old boyfriend] to have their lives ruined by being placed on the sex offender list?

 

[Deuce]

Too bad this guy is an American.
Then the questions would be:

1. Do we waterboard him if he behaved uncooperatively?
2. Do we send him to Gitmo?

Now the question is:

3. Should he get the death penalty?
4. Or... does the Obama administration use him as another tool to assault Bush?

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"Too bad" he's an American? Why? Because you want to torture someone? At least you're honest about it. Assault Bush? If anything, captured terrorists are being used to assault the CURRENT administration. What reality have you been living in?

Too bad you're an American. You stand for everything we're supposed to be against.

 

[Jetboogieman]

The price of citizenship is to adhere to the principles of your country, sometimes that means people have to die, but that is true patriotism and as I said, the price of citizenship, citizenship must garuntee the same protections for all, or it does not work.

 

[digsbe]

Well, I am happy to see you don't give a **** about the constitution. I do hope to never see you arguing in any 2nd amendment threads about how important the document is.

I care about the constitution. However, I think we should do all we can to save American lives. Everyone deserves their miranda rights, but if they know something that can save lives we should extract it. I care about the constitution, but I don't give a **** about the criminals who know information that can save lives. I am undecided whether or not we should use harsh interrogation methods to US citizens, but for military combatants we definitely should.

 

[Ockham]

I care about the constitution. However, I think we should do all we can to save American lives. Everyone deserves their miranda rights, but if they know something that can save lives we should extract it. I care about the constitution, but I don't give a **** about the criminals who know information that can save lives. I am undecided whether or not we should use harsh interrogation methods to US citizens, but for military combatants we definitely should.

Can't happen in this case. They guy's an American citizen... whether or not he should be is a different thing, but he was and is. He was also arrested on U.S. soil and perpetrated crimes on U.S. soil. He's got to be treated the same way everyone else is treated and he has to be read the Miranda upon arrest. No choice - had to be done and I can't think of a similar situation where it wouldn't apply.

There are cases where someone should fall on a sword and illegally question, interrogate or dare I say, waterboard. This wasn't one of those cases.

 

[digsbe]

Can't happen in this case. They guy's an American citizen... whether or not he should be is a different thing, but he was and is. He was also arrested on U.S. soil and perpetrated crimes on U.S. soil. He's got to be treated the same way everyone else is treated and he has to be read the Miranda upon arrest. No choice - had to be done and I can't think of a similar situation where it wouldn't apply.

There are cases where someone should fall on a sword and illegally question, interrogate or dare I say, waterboard. This wasn't one of those cases.

I have to apologize, I made the mistake of thinking he wasn't a US citizen (and I realize it was bolded in the OP, I just screwed up). It was my bad.

 

[Deuce]

Citizenship is irrelevant. The constitution applies to non-citizens, recognized by the supreme court.

 

[Phantom]

That's reason #72 why I'm not a Republican. They only pay lip service to rights.

And they only pay lip service to economic rights. They are authoritarian when it comes to social policy. They want to control people and that scares me.

 

[Ockham]

Citizenship is irrelevant. The constitution applies to non-citizens, recognized by the supreme court.

There are limitations and exceptions... miranda doesn't apply to everyone in the world in every situation at all times.