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Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
It just seemed your honeymoon was a little more than "general interest" :shrug:
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Maybe you just shouldn't assume.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
You excused the President. :shrug:
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roughdraft274 said:
Though I think we're stretching it a bit, as it's not always possible to have every piece of equipment on site that you could ever possibly need in case of any random emergency. But for an oil spill, which doesn't seem amazingly unlikely although they are uncommon, they should have had a few spread around our shores. It really makes sense. They screwed up on that account. I don't think the President has time to go over every single plan of action ever made and make sure that everything is accounted for, but whoever he appointed gets the blame, in which he has to share, just like Bush gets blame for appointing "Heck of a job, Brownie" to head FEMA.
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
You did? I must have missed that.
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roughdraft274 said:
they should have had a few spread around our shores. It really makes sense. They screwed up on that account. I don't think the President has time to go over every single plan of action ever made and make sure that everything is accounted for, but whoever he appointed gets the blame, in which he has to share
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I read and responded to exactly what you posted.
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
'Obama's Katrina': an Illustrated Timeline


my bad, 10 days. :shrug:
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You don't see a little bit of bias in that report? lol.

Here's a better timeline. Alot more details that the report you posted left out.

The Gulf Of Mexico Oil Spill: A Timeline | Deep Sea News

Saturday, April 24th-With remotely operated vehicles, officials discover the oil is escaping from two leaks in a drilling pipe about 5,000 feet below the surface. Leaks appear to be releasing 1,000 barrels a day.

That's when they find out that it was actually leaking oil.

Monday, April 26-The oil slick stretches 80 miles across the Gulf and is 36 miles southeast of Louisiana. Cleanup crews set up booms to block as much oil as possible from coming ashore. Remote operative vehicles are full day into operations to sea oil well on ocean floor. Reuters- “The leaking well, 5,000 feet under the ocean surface off Louisiana’s coast, has created an oil sheen and emulsified crude slick with a circumference of about 600 miles, covering about 28,600 square miles (74,070 sq. km), the Coast Guard said on Tuesday. That’s slightly bigger than the U.S. state of West Virginia….The spill, however, is not comparable with the infamous Exxon Valdez disaster, which spilled about 11 million gallons (50 million liters) of oil into the Prince William Sound in Alaska when it ran aground in 1989. BP’s well is spewing about 42,000 gallons (190,900 liters) of oil a day into the ocean, the Coast Guard estimates.”

Tuesday, April 27-Officials consider setting fire to the slick, which has grown to 100 miles across. The fast-moving spill is about 20 miles off the Louisiana coast. A controlled burn of the surface oil is now considered. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Interior Secretary Ken Salazar say they are expanding the government’s investigation of the explosion that caused the disaster. Obama administration officials meet with top executives of BP. Governor Bobby Jindal requests tCoast Guard set up protective booms around several wildlife refuges.

This is just pathetic on your part.
 
even with your timeline, you would think that the 1994 plan would put the coast guard on high alert on April 20th, seems your timeline has it at 7 days. :shrug:


Oh and governer jindal screwed the pooch on this one as well, (just like Blanco did with Katricna) he should have requested the coast guard be ready on the 21st.


the pathetic is clearly on your part.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
even with your timeline, you would think that the 1994 plan would put the coast guard on high alert on April 20th, seems your timeline has it at 7 days. :shrug:


Oh and governer jindal screwed the pooch on this one as well, (just like Blanco did with Katricna) he should have requested the coast guard be ready on the 21st.
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Reuters AlertNet - US Coast Guard suspends search for 11 rig workers

"23 Apr 2010 23:18:19 GMT - After a three-day air and sea search covering 5,200 square miles (13,470 square km) of water, "we've reached a point where reasonable expectation of survival is past," Coast Guard Rear Admiral Mary Landry said.
The threat of a major oil spill spoiling Louisiana's fragile coastline eased after officials said the well, about 5,000 feet (1,525 metres) beneath the ocean surface, was not leaking oil. Officials said cleanup crews remained on high alert pending certainty the well is shut, but they do not expect any leaks."

The coast gaurd was on high alert. That's been reported ad nauseum.

Did you really think you could just throw a timeline out there that didn't even mention important things like the amount of oil estimated to be leaking on which days just to score political points? Do you believe everything you read on the internet? Cause sometimes you have to think for yourself just a bit.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Reuters AlertNet - US Coast Guard suspends search for 11 rig workers

"23 Apr 2010 23:18:19 GMT - After a three-day air and sea search covering 5,200 square miles (13,470 square km) of water, "we've reached a point where reasonable expectation of survival is past," Coast Guard Rear Admiral Mary Landry said.
The threat of a major oil spill spoiling Louisiana's fragile coastline eased after officials said the well, about 5,000 feet (1,525 metres) beneath the ocean surface, was not leaking oil. Officials said cleanup crews remained on high alert pending certainty the well is shut, but they do not expect any leaks."

The coast gaurd was on high alert. That's been reported ad nauseum.

Did you really think you could just throw a timeline out there that didn't even mention important things like the amount of oil estimated to be leaking on which days just to score political points? Do you believe everything you read on the internet? Cause sometimes you have to think for yourself just a bit.
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Which officials? Seems local, state, and military possibly. :shrug:



You see I blame even previous administrations, but you want to mouth foam. That's regrettable.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Comparing Katrina to this is ridiculous. There was no warning that an oil spill was coming. One was a natural occurrence and the other was a man-made occurrence.

The better comparison is the Exxon Valdez.
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Moreover, Katrina was the failure of the government at all levels to adequately prepare for and handle a disaster that is squarely in the governments responsibility to handle. We have government to protect public infrastructure and lives from natural disasters.

How on earth is that supposed to be comparable to an oil spill that is the fault of an oil company? If I carelessly set fire to my own house is that the fault of the government?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Moreover, Katrina was the failure of the government at all levels to adequately prepare for and handle a disaster that is squarely in the governments responsibility to handle. We have government to protect public infrastructure and lives from natural disasters.

How on earth is that supposed to be comparable to an oil spill that is the fault of an oil company? If I carelessly set fire to my own house is that the fault of the government?
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this is naive. We give them permission to drill, we set up a plan for just this, now you want to give your guy a pass?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
the pathetic is clearly on your part.
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Your time line was wrong.

You were wrong on how long it took to respond.

You were wrong on when the coast gaurd was placed on high alert.

The only thing you got right was that they should have had fire booms along our coasts in case something like this happened.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Your time line was wrong.

You were wrong on how long it took to respond.

You were wrong on when the coast gaurd was placed on high alert.

The only thing you got right was that they should have had fire booms along our coasts in case something like this happened.
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I've been open to correction.


Tell me this, how would you grade the Obama Administrations response thus far, a to f?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
this is naive. We give them permission to drill, we set up a plan for just this, now you want to give your guy a pass?
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It's a lease. As part of the lease, the responsibility for oil spills and environmental damage is squarely on the oil company that has the lease. No one other than a rabid partisan such as yourself would see the Obama Administration, Jindal, or any government entity being to blame for this. This is BP's fault anyone they contracted with.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Moreover, Katrina was the failure of the government at all levels to adequately prepare for and handle a disaster that is squarely in the governments responsibility to handle. We have government to protect public infrastructure and lives from natural disasters.

How on earth is that supposed to be comparable to an oil spill that is the fault of an oil company? If I carelessly set fire to my own house is that the fault of the government?
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If the federal government gave you a permit to build your house in the middle of a National Forest, then yes it would be their fault if you burned up half the forest, along with other people's houses while setting your's on fire.
 
Gill said:
If the federal government gave you a permit to build your house in the middle of a National Forest, then yes it would be their fault if you burned up half the forest, along with other people's houses while setting your's on fire.
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Not at all. If you get a timber lease to harvest timber from a National Forest, and as a result of your harvesting practices (lets say slash piles), you cause a fire, and that fire burns up much of the forest, then you are financially responsible for the damage you caused.

Most states anymore even will charge you for emergency services on public land if the reason you needed them was the result of irresponsibility on your part.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Which officials? Seems local, state, and military possibly. :shrug:



You see I blame even previous administrations, but you want to mouth foam. That's regrettable.
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Who you blame doesn't really matter when you get nearly all the facts wrong.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
It's a lease. As part of the lease, the responsibility for oil spills and environmental damage is squarely on the oil company that has the lease. No one other than a rabid partisan such as yourself would see the Obama Administration, Jindal, or any government entity being to blame for this. This is BP's fault anyone they contracted with.
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Jindal's a republican.... you did know that so your mouth foaming cries of partisanism has like you FAILED and only makes you look foolish here.


Any comment on the 1994 disaster plan?


I blame BP, and I blame the US Government, three admins in fact. They should not allow drilling until the US government is satisfied that the leasee can clean up a spill.


That said, we better damn sure have a contigency plan, and not drop he ball on preparedness if the company fails as what happens here.


It's funny watching you mouth foam calling me a partisan where you are willing to destroy the gulf coast to protect Obama from critisizm....
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I've been open to correction.


Tell me this, how would you grade the Obama Administrations response thus far, a to f?
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I don't think we should really be grading until this mess is done and over with, as we really have no idea how everything is going to work out and exactly what is being done, but I would give it a B.

They were on top of it as soon as the explosion occurred. They treated it as a priority right from the beginning, even with the information that no oil was leaking. Really the only thing they have screwed up on is not having fire booms in place.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Jindal's a republican.... you did know that so your mouth foaming cries of partisanism has like you FAILED and only makes you look foolish here.


Any comment on the 1994 disaster plan?


I blame BP, and I blame the US Government, three admins in fact. They should not allow drilling until the US government is satisfied that the leasee can clean up a spill.


That said, we better damn sure have a contigency plan, and not drop he ball on preparedness if the company fails as what happens here.


It's funny watching you mouth foam calling me a partisan where you are willing to destroy the gulf coast to protect Obama from critisizm....
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The problem is not Obama here. The problem is:

1. We need oil.

2. The oil industry lobby has constantly fought any mandates for improving efficiency that would result in us needing less oil.

3. The oil industry lobby has constantly fought every single regulation that would make drilling for oil cleaner and safer. The reason why oil exploration is much cleaner today than it has been in previous decades is despite the oil industry lobby, not because of it.

4. This is what the environmentalist / conservationist community has been screaming for decades while the conservatives "take it, rape it, it's yours" bunch was screaming "Drill baby Drill!" and bitching about all the needless environmental regulations and how the greens were preventing us from drilling for more oil. So in the end, your beef ought to be with the wise use right wingers, and the oil lobby.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Not at all. If you get a timber lease to harvest timber from a National Forest, and as a result of your harvesting practices (lets say slash piles), you cause a fire, and that fire burns up much of the forest, then you are financially responsible for the damage you caused.

Most states anymore even will charge you for emergency services on public land if the reason you needed them was the result of irresponsibility on your part.
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Not even remotely like the scenario I posted.... try again.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I gues the midol hasn't kicked in for you yet. I got a couple days wrong. Oh my... how horrible. really, whine some more. :roll:
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When you're whining about how many days a response takes, the number of days actually do matter, lol.

It's also important to understand why you got those days wrong, because you believed some partisan garbage you found on the internet without any critical thinking on your part. The only reason I could see anyone doing this is because throwing blame on Obama is more important to them then actually getting the facts straight. That tells everyone here alot about your motives and character.

Thanks for admitting that you were wrong though.

Sorry about all the whining, I guess I just think the truth is more important then you do. I can see why that would bug someone like you. :mrgreen:
 
roughdraft274 said:
I don't think we should really be grading until this mess is done and over with, as we really have no idea how everything is going to work out and exactly what is being done, but I would give it a B.
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a B?

No booms? no mitigation? A B?


You won't be saying that next week when your coastline is destroyed. Well actually you might, seems he can do no wrong. :shrug:



They were on top of it as soon as the explosion occurred. They treated it as a priority right from the beginning, even with the information that no oil was leaking. Really the only thing they have screwed up on is not having fire booms in place.
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no they didn't, that is incorrect. it was by your timeline 7 dayy for the federalis in the obama administration to take notice.
 
roughdraft274 said:
When you're whining about how many days a response takes, the number of days actually do matter, lol.

It's also important to understand why you got those days wrong, because you believed some partisan garbage you found on the internet without any critical thinking on your part. The only reason I could see anyone doing this is because throwing blame on Obama is more important to them then actually getting the facts straight. That tells everyone here alot about your motives and character.

Thanks for admitting that you were wrong though.

Sorry about all the whining, I guess I just think the truth is more important then you do. I can see why that would bug someone like you. :mrgreen:
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you keep ignoring the fact I blame 3 admins for this. But don't let that mouthfoaming get in the way of you defending your god king. :shrug:
 
Gill said:
Not even remotely like the scenario I posted.... try again.
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Your scenario is nothing like reality. If the government gives you an oil exploration lease, you are required to clean up spills. If the government gave you the rights to build on national forest, you would be on the hook for the costs of a fire if one occurred due to your negligence. Thats part of the agreement.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Your scenario is nothing like reality. If the government gives you an oil exploration lease, you are required to clean up spills. If the government gave you the rights to build on national forest, you would be on the hook for the costs of a fire if one occurred due to your negligence. Thats part of the agreement.
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Bp is on the hook for 75 million.
 
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