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Arizona bill targets 'human-animal hybrids'

It biologically imposable to do so Jillman. Any sound biologist well tell you that is imposable to do, so it only happen in movies, and comics books.

Untrue. It is a phenomenon called a chimera. And it has already been researched and attempted.

Chimera

I am sorry but your attempt to paint this as born of science fiction and fairy tale is flat wrong.
 
Chimera are science fiction in the way you think. Genetics is different bread of Chimera all together.

Chimera (genetics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which is exactly what the arizona law moves to block.

Chinese scientists at the Shanghai Second Medical University in 2003 successfully fused human cells with rabbit eggs. The embryos were reportedly the first human-animal chimeras successfully created. They were allowed to develop for several days in a laboratory dish before the scientists destroyed the embryos to harvest their stem cells.

In Minnesota last year researchers at the Mayo Clinic created pigs with human blood flowing through their bodies.

And at Stanford University in California an experiment might be done later this year to create mice with human brains.

That's not science fiction. That is real. That is what the law seeks to block from happening in Arizona. You are flat wrong in your assertion that it is based on science fiction. Your little wiki article notwithstanding.
 
National Geographic is the only source we have that this supposedly happen at this college in China it just seem a hell of a lot fishy to me that they don't have pictures of these being, or they don't give it over to others for study. ;)



That is because it is imposable to fuse human cells with animals cell without it dying really quickly. We have different genes than other animals.
 
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National Geographic is the only source we have that this supposedly happen at this college in China it just seem a hell of a lot fishy to me that they don't have pictures of these being, or they don't give it over to others for study. ;)

Umm, it was also in your own source if you had bothered to read it for content rather than convenience. ;)

And yeah, it referenced the Nat Geo article, but are you gonna sit here and argue that Nat Geo is a disreputable source? Please do, then we can all get a good hearty laugh at your expense.

That is because it is imposable to fuse human cells with animals cell with out it dying really quickly.

The fact that they die quickly does not remove the ethical implications of doing the research at all. The research is precisely what the law seeks to block...research that is not science fiction, but has already happened.

Sorry, but you're still wrong.
 
My source was the Wikipedia article that was your source, and a couple of other sources. :roll: However you claiming that National Geographic was my source when clearly it is was not my source.


This proves that you back tracking.... When I never claimed it wasn't wrong, nor do I think it is right. However Human Hybrid are a thing of science fictions novels.
 
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My source was the Wikipedia article that was your source, and a couple of other sources. :roll: However you claiming that is was my source when clearly it is not my source proves that you back tracking....

Reading is FUNdamental.

Clearly, I stated:

And yeah, it referenced the Nat Geo article, but are you gonna sit here and argue that Nat Geo is a disreputable source? Please do, then we can all get a good hearty laugh at your expense.

So basically we're at an impasse. Your failure to acknowledge reality has left you on shaky ground so now you are attempting, ineffectively, to deflect to issues with the argument that aren't even there.

Until you can prove that the intent was to stop science fiction and not the very real issues I have demonstrated, you're done. Just concede that you made an hysterical accusation and it was swatted aside.

Or you can keep arguing your fantasies at which point I will just laugh at the fact that you called others stupid while indulging moronic arguments that have been put to rest.
 
I'm starting to think the Arizona legislature has a little too much time on their hands. I didn't know human-animal hybrids were such a major concern.

he Arizona state Senate on Thursday passed a bill making it illegal for a person to "intentionally or knowingly creating a human-animal hybrid."

The bill, which passed 16 to 12, would prohibit anyone in the state from "creating or attempting to create an in vitro human embryo by any means other than fertilization of a human egg by a human sperm."

The measure would also outlaw "transferring or attempting to transfer a human embryo into a nonhuman womb," "transferring or attempting to transfer a nonhuman embryo into a human womb" and "transporting or receiving for any purpose a human-animal hybrid."

Arizona bill targets 'human-animal hybrids'
 
Im not seeing the insanity here. I'll admit it seems a strange things to pass now given the other issues in the state. It in itsself is a law that I feel needs passed on a global scale.

Scientists have already played with such mutations as well as human cloning outside the US. This just helps insure that they will not attempt such things here.
 
Mods you can remove this or merge it didn't notice the thread in news 2.0
 
A little follow up and further reason why I feel this ban is a good thing.

AZ is not alone, Canada has banned them as well as Oklahoma.

Animal-Human Hybrids Spark Controversy

Irv Weissman, director of Stanford University's Institute of Cancer/Stem Cell Biology and Medicine in California, is against a ban in the United States.

Mice With Human Brains

Weissman has already created mice with brains that are about one percent human.

Later this year he may conduct another experiment where the mice have 100 percent human brains. This would be done, he said, by injecting human neurons into the brains of embryonic mice.

Before being born, the mice would be killed and dissected to see if the architecture of a human brain had formed. If it did, he'd look for traces of human cognitive behavior.

I feel we are playing with a dangerous thing here. To me killing mice with human brains is not far from killing humans. What will be next? I worry.
 
This coming from a State more screwed up than AZ. :rofl. Just love some of your elected officials and their ideas.

Actually, if you new the history it was because of the Governor at the time. As stated earlier, it had a lot to do on how to shift holidays to make room for MLK. and the Gov was a bit off.

Governor Mecham created an executive order that withdrew an executive order by Governor Babbitt making MLK birthday a holiday. Mecham was a bigot, he loved to use the phrase "Piccanny"

Then there was a vote and the voters had two MLK versions to choose from and both were defeated.

AZ was boycotted and lost a superbowl, so we put the MLK holiday on the ballot and it was voted in.

The legislatures in our state on both sides are idiots. The pay to be a legislature is very low and only draws persons that have a second income or are financially set to run for the legislatures.

AZ has a lot of conservatives that exercise their right to vote, and AZ has a lot of others that could careless to vote on important issues. An example of this occurred during the presidential election. A friend of mine worked a polling place in a minority area. Some of the older minorities came in to vote for Obama only, and refused to vote on anything else because. When asked why they did not vote for or against sheriff Joe, and they said they only came to vote for Obama
 
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I thought they all ready had a bill about illegals...

Oh god I lol'd :rofl

laws in Arizona

1.) Immigration law-check
2.)Animal Human Hybrid- check
3.) Earth is flat-pending
4.) Moon Landing was faked- pending
5.) Obama was birthed in Kenya-pending
6.) Paul Bunyan made the grand canyon


FYI half these laws are jokes. God I love making fun of idiot politicians.:rofl
 
I saw nothing wrong with the discouraging of teachers with thick accents. There has to be some standard in language for teaching to be effective. The "right" of the teacher to not speak clearly in a language all the kids are expected to understand is of far less importance than the rights of the kids to get an adequate education.

When I was going to the University of Houston, my Physics II instructor had a very thick accent. He was also the best instructor I ever had. His name was Paul Chu, whose work was at the very forefront of superconductivity, and who is one of the world's foremost experts on the subject. And you tell me that he should not be teaching? Sorry, but I want the best people teaching at our universities, not marginally qualified people who only have their jobs because they speak English well. Same with our primary schools - I want those who can teach well, not those who can't, but speak English well.
 
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Nope I didn't see that it had reference the article in question, because of the tiny link lettering they used in the reference links . I am not saying it was possibility I just think that source is a little bit questionable, since it is the only source we have that this supposedly happened.
 
When I was going to the University of Houston, my Physics II instructor had a very thick accent. He was also the best instructor I ever had. His name was Paul Chu, whose work was at the very forefront of superconductivity, and who is one of the world's foremost experts on the subject. And you tell me that he should not be teaching? Sorry, but I want the best people teaching at our universities, not marginally qualified people who only have their jobs because they speak English well. Same with our primary schools - I want those who can teach well, not those who can't, but speak English well.

Why can't you have both? It seems to me that you have set your standards pretty low.

Hardest professor I ever had was Dr Ebukuzaki at NCSU. I had her for PChem. She was the kind of professor who wrote on the chalkboard with one hand and simultaneously erased with the other.

I never understood a word she said and if it weren't for the labs, I would have failed the class because I don't speak Engrish. Even the two other Japanese kids in class complained they couldn't understand her because she mangled english so badly that they had no clue what she was actually saying. One afternoon, three of us went through the book looking for "blackboard irradiation" and come to find out, 2 and a half hours later, she had been saying "background radiation". That was just one example of the roadblocks her inability to communicate effectively with her audience caused the class.

She was an excellent lady and, thankfully, understood her speech was a problem with the class so she went out of her way to see to us passing the class. She had to curve the grades so steeply that a 45% was a B in the class.

Now you tell me how that equates to an adequate education. Some of those students were going to go on to nuclear chemistry and other pursuits. Doesn't that kind of scare you a little bit?

I would rather have a professor who can communicate effectively and teach well than one who is brilliant in their field but doesn't pass a bit of it on in class.
 
Nope I didn't see that it had reference the article in question, because of the tiny link lettering they used in the reference links . I am not saying it was possibility I just think that source is a little bit questionable, since it is the only source we have that this supposedly happened.

But it's not the only source of human and animal cell chimeras being created. The British study with the mice with human brain cells was carried by every major news agency in Great Brittain and the US. :shrug:

But clearly, this isn't science fiction and other countries like Canada and states passed such legislation in the past without such a biased attempt at making it look like the pursuit of morons. And that's basically because Arizona is under fire for its new immigration policy so the attempt to make the state look backwards by the press is unethical journalism. But then, that's what we are used to here in the US these days.
 
Too late they already elected one President.
 
Too late they already elected one President.

So that "independent" tag you chose... was it because you thought "very conservative" wasn't conservative enough?
 
Umm why are people mocking this law? It's a cogent bioethics issue. I completely support it.

Comments about "comic book villains" are profoundly ignorant. With the speed at which genomics and biotechnology is progressing, this will almost certainly be an issue within ten years. So why not get out ahead of it, and ban it now if people think it's unethical...BEFORE it becomes a major problem? This is the kind of far-sightedness that our governments should be doing MORE of.
 
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