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Dem Shill Wears Nazi Gear to Tea Party

Tucker Case said:
The fact that you haven't seen such videos is not evidence that it did not happen. The fallacy you are using is "Argument from Ignorance"
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then you would conclude that the video in this thread woul be revealed but others evidencing the discharge of racist attendees would be suppressed instead
that crap won't float
 
So a man minding his own business can't listen to speeches in a public place without being harassed? Wow.

Tea Partiers get it wrong, again!

What Tea Partiers need is leaders who denounce racism (and there are some important examples of them doing that); what they don't need is little dweebs running around pestering people about what they believe.

I thought the white separatist guy was very disciplined that he didn't smack the guy with the camera right in the nose after being followed twice.

[suspicious mind]
Was I the only one who puzzled on whether the whole thing wasn't an act to demonstrate what anti-racists the Tea Partiers are?
[/suspicious mind]
 
If this had been liberals instead of tea partiers, somebody would say "so much for liberal tolerance!"
 
Chappy said:
So a man minding his own business can't listen to speeches in a public place without being harassed? Wow.

Tea Partiers get it wrong, again!

What Tea Partiers need is leaders who denounce racism (and there are some important examples of them doing that); what they don't need is little dweebs running around pestering people about what they believe.

I thought the white separatist guy was very disciplined that he didn't smack the guy with the camera right in the nose after being followed twice.

[suspicious mind]
Was I the only one who puzzled on whether the whole thing wasn't an act to demonstrate what anti-racists the Tea Partiers are?
[/suspicious mind]
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he was a teabagger shill
notice the handy computer generated signs they had ready to use behind him in the video
 
justabubba said:
actually he followed the script

exited right after the computer generated signs were made visible in the video, to underscore the purported opposition to racists by the teabaggers
... except for those who instead chose to loft racist signs to announce their brand of teabagger bigotry
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Link to "script" or stopp getting teabagged with your lies. :2wave:
 
Mellie said:
SharpElbows.Net: Dem Shill Wears Nazi Gear To TEA Party, Gets Called Out.

Good job, Sharp, for calling him out.
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Just finally watched the video.

I'd say it's pretty clear this was NOT a shill. This guy was for real. A shill would have been wearing much more flambouyant clothes and trying to draw attention to himself to embarass the tea partiers, especially in the presense of a camera. And I doubt he would have mentioned something as obscure as the Council of Conservative Citizens.

I applaud this tea partier for kicking this guy out, but no, I don't think he was a shill, and it's pretty pathetic that the tea partiers have to blame all their extremists on someone else. Just kick him out, that's sufficient.
 
justabubba said:
then you would conclude that the video in this thread woul be revealed but others evidencing the discharge of racist attendees would be suppressed instead
that crap won't float
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I would avoid fallacies altogether :)prof the one you employ above is a strawman fallacy, BTW).

What I like to do is avoid jumping to conclusions based on fallacious assumptions.

I base all of my conclusions on what I actually see, not on all the stupid **** I can imagine.

I strongly recommend that strategy to anyone interested in actually proving their points. It's one thing to have a hypothesis, it's another thing entirely to dishonestly portray that hypothesis as factual.

Just as I don't make the stupid and unsubstantiated assumption that the racist in the video was a "dem shill", I also don't make the stupid and unsubstantiated assumption that it was a plant.
 
misterman said:
Just finally watched the video.

I'd say it's pretty clear this was NOT a shill. This guy was for real. A shill would have been wearing much more flambouyant clothes and trying to draw attention to himself to embarass the tea partiers, especially in the presense of a camera. And I doubt he would have mentioned something as obscure as the Council of Conservative Citizens.

I applaud this tea partier for kicking this guy out, but no, I don't think he was a shill, and it's pretty pathetic that the tea partiers have to blame all their extremists on someone else. Just kick him out, that's sufficient.
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Ok if you say so :roll:


Seriously we dont know but given the annoumcements of the teabagees that they want to infiltrate it is a decinate possibility.
 
Tucker Case said:
I would avoid fallacies altogether :)prof the one you employ above is a strawman fallacy, BTW).

What I like to do is avoid jumping to conclusions based on fallacious assumptions.

I base all of my conclusions on what I actually see, not on all the stupid **** I can imagine.

I strongly recommend that strategy to anyone interested in actually proving their points. It's one thing to have a hypothesis, it's another thing entirely to dishonestly portray that hypothesis as factual.

Just as I don't make the stupid and unsubstantiated assumption that the racist in the video was a "dem shill", I also don't make the stupid and unsubstantiated assumption that it was a plant.
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gotcha
you accept that those signs directed at the shill just happened to have been made available in case someone in nazi regalia showed up
so he could read the objections instead of having to listen to them
very logical of you [/s]
 
Well.. I wonder if a bunch of GOP would kick a dressed NAZI outa their rally? But, that situation really doesn't matter. When you have the Federal Government vindicating opposition and the news witch hunting for extremism then the Tea party rallies can't afford to be associated with something that is associated to so many wrong things.

I've searched for the video and cannot find it. The OP link to the video returns nothing but video errors. Was this guy standing apart from Tea party members trying to get his own voice in? Or was he mixed in with the Tea partiers and waiting for a camera to come by to stir a stick in ****? Video that works would be appreciated.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Ok if you say so :roll:


Seriously we dont know but given the annoumcements of the teabagees that they want to infiltrate it is a decinate possibility.
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Yes, it's a possibility. I don't think it is in this case. A plant would have dressed like Hitler in blackface and done a dance holding a sign saying "look at me, I'm a teabagger!" This guy was just milling around in a KKK shirt, talking about the Conservative Citizens Council, which hardly anybody knows is a racist group.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Well.. I wonder if a bunch of GOP would kick a dressed NAZI outa their rally? But, that situation really doesn't matter. When you have the Federal Government vindicating opposition and the news witch hunting for extremism then the Tea party rallies can't afford to be associated with something that is associated to so many wrong things.

I've searched for the video and cannot find it. The OP link to the video returns nothing but video errors. Was this guy standing apart from Tea party members trying to get his own voice in? Or was he mixed in with the Tea partiers and waiting for a camera to come by to stir a stick in ****? Video that works would be appreciated.
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He's just walking by. He's dressed normally except for the shirt, which you might not even notice if you don't look carefully. He isn't acting at all like he's trying to make a fool of the tea partiers.
 
misterman said:
He's just walking by. He's dressed normally except for the shirt, which you might not even notice if you don't look carefully. He isn't acting at all like he's trying to make a fool of the tea partiers.
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which further points to his being a shill for the camera and array of ready made signs

especially in a session where racially charged signs are allowed to remain unchallenged

and after the teabaggers promote their concern that the democrats are intending to plant shills at their events in order to give their group a negative public reputation

clearly self inflicted
 
justabubba said:
gotcha
you accept that those signs directed at the shill just happened to have been made available in case someone in nazi regalia showed up
so he could read the objections instead of having to listen to them
very logical of you [/s]
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Actually, there are two possibilities about those pre-made signs:

1. They made them up ahead of time in order to target those who show up at the rally with the racist signs/shirts/etc that you so vehemently decry, while operating under the flawed assumption that people with such signs are democratic "shills".

2. That they actually planted this guy themselves.

I make no assumptions about either possibility, though.

You, however, are stating that it must be choice two. Unfortunately for you, your argument defeats itself because you are saying the racist signs are at every rally in abundance on one hand, but that these people couldn't have had the foresight to create signs for the express purposes of trying and counter the racist-types of signs before they went to the rally on the other.

Thus, your argument relies entirely on fallacy, and is therefore, totally illogical.
 
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misterman said:
He's just walking by. He's dressed normally except for the shirt, which you might not even notice if you don't look carefully. He isn't acting at all like he's trying to make a fool of the tea partiers.
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Well. If Palin starts blasting off her mouth in the wrong way about this situation (agrees hes a plant if he is not) we will know she is a dem shill plant.

I think if there was going to be an infiltration of the TEA party it would be some real big ****. Something that mattered.

Fictional Example:

Someone related to security hires actors portrayed as would be bombers to seek out and find real ones within the populace. Eventually someone with little relation to the world gets into a situation and isn't known to be an actor/agent. Some big fry lets a small fry get toasted in the cooker and you got your TEA party terrorist.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Rev... those people cheering were OBVIOUSLY right wing plants that knew the camera's were on and were smart enough to realize that cheering would hide the real racist intent of the Tea Party.
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:lol: EVERYONE at the rally was a shill! Both sides plant everyone on the other side, and act like idiots to make the other side look bad. This is why the world seems to be full of idiots all the time. It finally makes sense!!!!!
 
American said:
The pro-pot libertarians aren't conservative, the non pro-pot libertarians are.
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I lean libertarian and I've never smoked pot nor do I want to.
 
justabubba said:
he was a teabagger shill
notice the handy computer generated signs they had ready to use behind him in the video
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Notice the website up BEFORE the tea party that said they were going to infiltrate tea parties and pretend to be Nazis and racists. The guy who started the site is a middle school teacher and he's been suspended. Therefore, people made signs like that KNOWING that someone would probably show up in Nazi/racist gear. Keep up, please.
 
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Mellie said:
Notice the website up BEFORE the tea party that said they were going to infiltrate tea parties and pretend to be Nazis and racists. The guy who started the site is a middle school teacher and he's been suspended. Keep up, please.
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yeah he gets a bunch of publicity, sells a few tee shirts, and now is wanting to sell the website, and to top it all off he gets a paid vacation, he is making out well.

Now the thing I am wondering is, how come we have not heard anything more of this other than what has circulated around this guy. I mean from the way it was hyped, and all the attention that was drawn to it prior to the tea parties, you would think someone would have decided to be a mole and infiltrate the "crash the tea party" group to get more info on them.


That whole thing reeks of a one man show and a sham, and everyone bit on it hard.
 
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This absolutely cracks me up....

So if Tea Partiers don't distance themselves from and push out racists and crazy people then they are tacitly giving their support to racist and crazy people and can be insulted for being extremists.

If the Tea Partiers DO distance themselves from and push out racists and crazy people then they are infringing on peoples rights and not being tolerant and should be insulted as intolerant extremists.

For the love of god, thank you for some of those in this thread that are obsessed with overt sexual action showing that your displeasure and disregard for the Tea Party movement is not based on logic, fact, or principles but based on nothing but your pathetic hyper partisanship.
 
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