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Obama: We're still working on our democracy

Goobieman said:
On the contrary -- I have addressed it directly.
Democracy requires just one rule of law, as described and as demonstrated.
Faith in THAT law is all that is necessary for there to be democracy
Prove otherwise, as per your claim.
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You can't have faith in that law if you have no faith in other laws. Our faith is not that divided. If one law can be broken, all laws can be broken, so there can be no faith in any ONE law.
 
Boo Radley said:
You can't have faith in that law if you have no faith in other laws.
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You're simply repeating yourself; this does nothing to prove your claim.
Yo have not, and can not, shown a necessary relationship between democracy and due procees, etc.

By your argument, if the 4th and 6th amendments were repealed, we'd cease to be a democracy -- the adsurdity of which is plain on its face.

And at this point, your trolling ends.
 
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Goobieman said:
You're simply repeating yourself; this does nothing to prove your claim.
Yo have not, and can not, shown a necessary relationship between democracy and due procees, etc.

By your argument, if the 4th and 6th amendments were repealed, we'd cease to be a democracy -- the adsurdity of which is plain on its face.

And at this point, your trolling ends.
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What you show here is you that you don't understand what is being said. Repealing an amendment is within the law. You can't have a valid conversation if you don't understand the argument before you.
 
Y'all get back to me when you figure out...

This is a REPUBLIC!

A REPRESENTATIVE Republic that is!
 
Goobieman said:
If that's what let you sleep at night...


Show this to be one of the issues The Obama referred to..
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Goobieman said:
YOU saying it is a problem is meaningless -- the issue here is what The Obama thnks is a problem, and how He has improved the situation, as claimed.

But, you apparently aren't interested in actually discussing THAT.
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Goobieman said:
Thank you for proving my point.
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Goobieman said:
Yes - my point that you arent interested in discussing the issue presented here - what The Obama thnks is a problem, and how He has improved the situation, as claimed -- only avoiding it.

You've proven it. Thank you.
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Goobieman said:
How so?
Aren't you interested in what flaws the President sees in our democracy, especially given that he's supposedly taken great steps in fixing them?
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Goobieman said:
You mean:

Seems to me this is the impetus behind my questions...

But you aren't interested in discussing that, so...:2wave:
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Goobieman said:
You may continue to avoid the issue, if you want.
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Goobieman said:
And yet, if you said such a thing, and made the claim you had improved the situation, you'd be able to provide examples of those problems, and the solutions you have implemented.


Well, it IS The Obama we're discussing, so I am not surprised you think that.
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Goobieman said:
No... all you have done is equivocated, obfuscated and misdirected.
In fact, you have done everying you can to -avoid- the issue.
And I really dont have the time to waste on that.
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Goobieman said:
Irrelevant -- you could still answer, with specifics.


I doubt that.
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Goobieman said:
Nor to me if you claim the contrary.


Which, as I said, was irrlevant.
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Goobieman said:
As noted before -- if He says there are problems, and He is said to have fixed some of them, it is -more- than reeaonable to ask what those problems are, which ones He has fixed, which problems remain, and what He plans to do about them.
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Goobieman said:
As noted before -- if He says there are problems, and He is said to have fixed some of them, it is -more- than reeaonable to ask what those problems are, which ones He has fixed, which problems remain, and what He plans to do about them.

Give Him a pass if you want -- I'm not surprised -- but don't try to blame -your- lack of curiosity on anything having to do with me.
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Goobieman said:
If that's what lets you sleep at night.
But, thank you for not wasting any more of my time with your equivocations, misdirections and obfuscations.
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IOW you're not really interested in discussion but rather, you thought you'd get a bunch of your buddies to chime in right away in mockery. When that didn't happen you're only left with opposition, who are grinding your pathetic attempt at partisan hackery to a nub. :doh
 
ConservaBill said:
Y'all get back to me when you figure out...

This is a REPUBLIC!

A REPRESENTATIVE Republic that is!
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Get back to us when you figure out that a REPUBLIC is a form of Democracy and that there are various forms of Democracy.

Try this as a start, [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy]Democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
NoJingoLingo said:
IOW you're not really interested in discussion but rather, you thought you'd get a bunch of your buddies to chime in right away in mockery. When that didn't happen you're only left with opposition, who are grinding your pathetic attempt at partisan hackery to a nub. :doh
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That's your interpretation?
Talk about partisan hackery...
 
NoJingoLingo said:
Get back to us when you figure out that a REPUBLIC is a form of Democracy and that there are various forms of Democracy.

Try this as a start, Democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Yeah then I'll check snopes and media matters... ROFLMAO!

Sell that to someone who doesn't understand the progressive agenda and revisionist history...

Private property can not exist in a democracy...

Beloved as the term is to progressives, that dog won't hunt!
 
ConservaBill said:
Yeah then I'll check snopes and media matters... ROFLMAO!

Sell that to someone who doesn't understand the progressive agenda and revisionist history...

Private property can not exist in a democracy...

Beloved as the term is to progressives, that dog won't hunt!
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Fine, wallow in your ignorance then. :shrug:

You get that right in OUR DEMOCRACY.
 
ConservaBill said:
Yeah then I'll check snopes and media matters... ROFLMAO!

Sell that to someone who doesn't understand the progressive agenda and revisionist history...

Private property can not exist in a democracy...

Beloved as the term is to progressives, that dog won't hunt!
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Hmmm...was Bush a progressive? Because I distinctly remember him saying that we were spreading Democracy all over the Middle East....
 
Lightdemon said:
Hmmm...was Bush a progressive? Because I distinctly remember him saying that we were spreading Democracy all over the Middle East....
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Democracy cant be spread by foreign invasion.
 
Hoplite said:
Democracy cant be spread by foreign invasion.
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Sure it can! Force is the best way to spread democracy. Remember how Saddam Hussein did it? His military dictatorship spread democracy so well that he got 100% of the vote in the last election before we went in.

Then we blew up that democracy. BUT we used MORE force and created ANOTHER democracy! All in a span of a few years! Way faster than the usual way.
 
Goobieman said:
The two obvious questions:
-What is/was wrong with our democracy?
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Extremely obvious answer:

Groups can levy significant power to get what they want at the expense of the whole.

What has The Obama done to improve it?
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Get more young adults to register.
 
Boo Radley said:
Perhaps we should conquer the world. Since we know better, surely none would object to us ruling the world?
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I think the "Let America Do Whatever It Wants" plan is more plausible. All the power, none of the responsibility.
 
Goobieman said:
Japan Germany Korea.
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Uh... Japan wasn't a real democracy for decades following the occupation. And South Korea has only been a democracy since the early 1990s with brutal dictators following the Korean war. And Germany was a democracy prior to the war.

Try again Goobieman.
 
Morality Games said:
I think the "Let America Do Whatever It Wants" plan is more plausible. All the power, none of the responsibility.
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Sadly, you may be right. or at least that may well be the way some see it. Sadly.
 
obvious Child said:
Uh... Japan wasn't a real democracy for decades following the occupation.
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A "real" democracy. Nice touch.
Doesnt change the fact that it was forced into becoming a democracy after having lost a war.

And South Korea has only been a democracy since the early 1990s
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You better check that again, sport.
There have been 6 Korean Republics since the end of WW2.

And Germany was a democracy prior to the war.
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World War I, for a brief moment, yes.
But not WWI.

Try again Goobieman.
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No, my point is quite solid, thank you.
 
Hoplite said:
"Private interests" are people or persons influencing the political system for personal gain such as businesses.
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Would Private Interests include groups like Sierra Club, Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, NRA, Planned Parenthood, etc?

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TOJ said:
Would Private Interests include groups like Sierra Club, Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, NRA, Planned Parenthood, etc?
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Labor unions, the NAACP, the AARP, etc...

And the answer depends fully on if he agrees with the group in question.
 
TOJ said:
Would Private Interests include groups like Sierra Club, Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, NRA, Planned Parenthood, etc?

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Goobieman said:
Labor unions, the NAACP, the AARP, etc...

And the answer depends fully on if he agrees with the group in question.
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Yes, all of those and corporate interests. :2wave:
 
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