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Leaked footage from Apache showing "US military slaughter" in Baghdad

Are you saying that not all threats against the United States should be a legitimate concern?

If they are done through a forum like youtube, then no those threats should not be taken seriously.
 
It's not that people are OK with it, it is that things like that are inevitable. Our military does tend to do all it absolutely can to minimize mistakes, but they will happen. From my watching, it looks like mistakes where clearly made, with tragic results. It's sad, but in war, these things do happen. It is impossible to describe the stress these young men are under, and knowing that mistakes the wrong way can result in their friends dying, well, you can understand why they tend to err towards tending to be overaggressive.

To call apache pilots kids, is very wrong. Most Air Force pilots spend like four or five years in college getting their degrees in the sciences or engineering so they are typically 22 or 23 when they get out and are accepted into Air Force school, which the training takes like a year for them to graduate. And the majority of pilots in the air force are in their 30s. So they are not kids.
Also its 2007 not 2003, the chances of the pilots being shot down by some SAM is downright not likely. What I saw were a pair of idiots who were eager to shoot at something. Those pilots were not acting as adults but teens straight out of highschool who enlisted in the marines or army infantry.
It was downright dispicable for the pilots to act the way they did and if I was in charge I would kick them out of the armed forces and send them to prison for not beng professional enough.
 
What if the non-serious threat came from Twitter?
I still wouldn't take it seriously. Most people who make threats on the internet don't have any substance to back it up.
 
To call apache pilots kids, is very wrong. Most Air Force pilots spend like four or five years in college getting their degrees in the sciences or engineering so they are typically 22 or 23 when they get out and are accepted into Air Force school, which the training takes like a year for them to graduate. And the majority of pilots in the air force are in their 30s. So they are not kids.
Also its 2007 not 2003, the chances of the pilots being shot down by some SAM is downright not likely. What I saw were a pair of idiots who were eager to shoot at something. Those pilots were not acting as adults but teens straight out of highschool who enlisted in the marines or army infantry.
It was downright dispicable for the pilots to act the way they did and if I was in charge I would kick them out of the armed forces and send them to prison for not beng professional enough.

I called them "young men" not kids. There is a difference, and they are very much young men.

I am not talking about the chance of being shot down, but the chance that ground forces being attacked and killed by targets not killed. The Apache mission was happening because US ground forces where coming under fire from insurgents in the area.
 
I still wouldn't take it seriously. Most people who make threats on the internet don't have any substance to back it up.

Because your avatar is a picture of the hottest woman on earth, I'll agree with you.
 
I called them "young men" not kids. There is a difference, and they are very much young men.

I am not talking about the chance of being shot down, but the chance that ground forces being attacked and killed by targets not killed. The Apache mission was happening because US ground forces where coming under fire from insurgents in the area.

So you're saying there's a chance the 'gruesome' attack may have indeed saved the lives of other U.S. soldiers at a future date and time? :ssst:
 
I called them "young men" not kids. There is a difference, and they are very much young men.

I am not talking about the chance of being shot down, but the chance that ground forces being attacked and killed by targets not killed. The Apache mission was happening because US ground forces where coming under fire from insurgents in the area.

And they must have been some hell of insurgents because they managed to kill how many during the year 2007 in Iraq? Not too many.....if any.....
 
And they must have been some hell of insurgents because they managed to kill how many during the year 2007 in Iraq? Not too many.....if any.....

The U.S. military is damn good, that's why...
 
So you're saying there's a chance the 'gruesome' attack may have indeed saved the lives of other U.S. soldiers at a future date and time? :ssst:

Not necessarily, but the Apache crew almost certainly believed the people they fired on where a threat to other US soldiers.
 
The U.S. military is damn good, that's why...

Yeah we are so damn good, that the Iraqis have basically been forced to accept our rule since like 6 months after the invasion started. And eventually we are going to leave Iraq so that whatever left over resentment will evolve into a civil war or some bs crap that will most likely revert to us having to go back and kick their ass.....again.
 
Not necessarily, but the Apache crew almost certainly believed the people they fired on where a threat to other US soldiers.

That is not showed in the video... But what is showed is there willingness to purposely allow unarmend non-combatents to be shot because the law was on their side. They never, ever posed a threat to anyone of the US. Never once did they point a barrel at any person from what I can see in the video. But from the very begining a very big barrel was pointed at the murdered. This whole situation is so easy to figure out by simply listening to the glee of the shooter.
 
Not necessarily, but the Apache crew almost certainly believed the people they fired on where a threat to other US soldiers.

Based on the video evidence, at the time, I would have believed the same thing.

At one point where a man is seen crouching, looking around the corner at the Apache with something that looks like an RPG, it was a reasonable mistake to make.

By the way, I wonder why nobody is asking why the photographers (journalists) were with a group of insurgents??? It seems to me that would be a good place to start investigating, on top of other investigations that may happen.
 
As my work revolves around the arts and to a large extent photography - RIP to one of my brothers who died doing what they loved.
 
Wow... You are all grotesque. Those men attacked noone. The van with kids was obviously random good citizen trying to help someone with no weapons that is hurt. They purposely allowed unarmed non-combatents to be murdered via shoddy rules of engagement.

There is no quid pro quo in a war. You're out in the open. You're dead. Period. And random good citizens do not show up to an attack helicopter site with 10 dead people around, especially with kids in the van, good citizens are in the cellar covering their heads and staying alive.
 
That is not showed in the video... But what is showed is there willingness to purposely allow unarmend non-combatents to be shot because the law was on their side. They never, ever posed a threat to anyone of the US. Never once did they point a barrel at any person from what I can see in the video. But from the very begining a very big barrel was pointed at the murdered. This whole situation is so easy to figure out by simply listening to the glee of the shooter.

They were the enemy.
 
There is no quid pro quo in a war. You're out in the open. You're dead. Period. And random good citizens do not show up to an attack helicopter site with 10 dead people around, especially with kids in the van, good citizens are in the cellar covering their heads and staying alive.

That would assume that the civilians thought they were going to be shot. Besides the soldiers wanted to shoot the wounded one. They were wanting him to pick up a weapon for that sole purpose and it doesn't sit well with me.
 
There is no quid pro quo in a war. You're out in the open. You're dead. Period. And random good citizens do not show up to an attack helicopter site with 10 dead people around, especially with kids in the van, good citizens are in the cellar covering their heads and staying alive.

Diffent culture different people.

Also this wasn't the same as in the beginning of the war. There hasn't been much action in Iraq so people are not as scared.
 
You know, I tried, but I just couldn't read this whole thread.

All the AMERICA **** YEAH has made me nauseous, and as if that weren't bad enough, as if the OUR MILITARY IS SO AWEOME and WE ROCK SO HARD wasn't enough to make me vomit hate all over some of you, we get justifications and cheering for the contents of that video.

Oh, great. Just ****ing great.

Look, if some of you want to argue that it's not our fault someone else used human shields, fine. If you want to argue that that blood is on someone else's hands, alright, I guess. It's a seriously gray area in the already muddied code of war-time ethics, so I guess I can tolerate an argument along those lines.

But cheering? At the death of children?

**** you, ****necks. I don't need to point you out, you know exactly who the **** you sick mother****ers are.

Oh yes, our military is just so awesome. It's JUST

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SO

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AWESOME.



This isn't awesome.

It's a damn mess.

Screw you people for cheering over it. That's some seriously sick ****ed-up **** right there.


I don't have a problem with the military in and of itself. I come from a long line of people who were proud to serve. I'm down with protecting your country.

This ain't it.
 
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