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Army 'showdown' at eligibility corral. Lt. Col. asks for birth cert.

So you expected them to, what, order several hundred thousand copies from the Stater of Hawaii and mail them to anyone who asked for it?

No. Copies are not valid. Public viewing for camera's only. Put the person who's job it is to validate the original on camera. Interview the FEC stating the requirements are met. In 2 days it would be over and done.

They made it public on the internet. The state officials said it was legitimate. That's about all need be said (unless someone is going to come along and say the only proof is video of his birth, like they're saying with the teabaggers spitting on black congressmen).

No they didn't. And electronic versions only allowed people to photoshop it and make tons of electronic frauds, furthering the conspiracy nuts motives.

(BTW, they did let FactCheck.org see the actual paper document and examine it in detail).

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

Meh - why beat around the bush... they could have just done what I described at first in my reply here --- do it right. They didn't - so we'll have birthers and their views on record about it. Get used to it because they won't go away, just like the 9/11 truthers, which have infected many public people, hollywood idiots aside.
 
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Why should he have done what was asked of no other president before him?

Because there were more questions (and are still) about his origins than any other president before him. Why not clear the issue unless there's a benefit to continuing the conspiracy.
 
i think he went to pakistan, a college trip. so?
 
NOTHING Obama did would take away their fuel. He could have provided video of his head coming out of his momma in front of Mon Lau and they'd say it was faked. It was perfectly reasonable to post his birth certificate on the internet. Anything more would have just added fuel, not taken it away. These people will believe anything, no matter how absurd.
For some you're right, nothing will ever be good enough - and that's ok. For others, perhaps like this Lt. Col., it might have been enough. And what is perfectly reasonable to you, may not be to someone else... it's subjective and highly individualized.

Yes - so now you have your own nutbag conspiracy! It was all a plot to make people who think it's all a plot look stupid! That's a great one! You should write conspiracies for a living.
One doesn't have to BE Rahm Emmanuel to THINK like Rahm Emmanuel.
 
No. Copies are not valid. Public viewing for camera's only. Put the person who's job it is to validate the original on camera. Interview the FEC stating the requirements are met. In 2 days it would be over and done.

There is no requirement, by the FEC or the law, for a birth certificate to be presented. Nor is there any person whose job it is to validate it. (If there were, he/she could do so anyway, so no cameras would be needed).

No they didn't. And electronic versions

Did they or didn't they? Make up your mind. I can link to if you want.

Meh - why beat around the bush... they could have just done what I described at first in my reply here --- do it right. They didn't - so we'll have birthers and their views on record about it. Get used to it because they won't go away, just like the 9/11 truthers, which have infected many public people, hollywood idiots aside.

Yes, it's all their fault that lunatics say ridiculous things about them. :roll:

You're a conspiracy theorist too now, officially.
 
For some you're right, nothing will ever be good enough - and that's ok. For others, perhaps like this Lt. Col., it might have been enough. And what is perfectly reasonable to you, may not be to someone else... it's subjective and highly individualized..

The law isn't though. That's why we have laws.
 
Because there were more questions (and are still) about his origins than any other president before him. Why not clear the issue unless there's a benefit to continuing the conspiracy.

Perhaps he thinks its stupid and ridiculous?
 
i think he went to pakistan, a college trip. so?

Maybe that was it. I dunno seen much on it. Someone was just argueing he went somewhere in 1981 where Americans couldn't legally travel. Wondering if there is any merit to it.
 
The law isn't though. That's why we have laws.

I disagree. Laws are left to interpretation and the evidence as presented by lawyers. Depending on who is the judge or what make up the jury has and who's done a better job at picking a jury - either civil or criminal, the law is certainly subjective and subject to politics as well as bribery, witness tampering, etc. The law is by no means perfect, infallible or at times, even fair.
 
Perhaps he thinks its stupid and ridiculous?

Certainly seems plausible. He may dismiss it as a passing fad, however, just a cursory look at conspiracy theories shows they hang on a long time. It's probably not wise to dismiss it so easily as I think he's doing.
 
I disagree. Laws are left to interpretation and the evidence as presented by lawyers. Depending on who is the judge or what make up the jury has and who's done a better job at picking a jury - either civil or criminal, the law is certainly subjective and subject to politics as well as bribery, witness tampering, etc. The law is by no means perfect, infallible or at times, even fair.

Sure, but the law in this particular matter isn't at issue.
 
But how did he make thousands of copies of the newspaper with that fake birth announcment and sneak it into every library on earth, including microfilm? That had to take at least a week of careful planning. Very impressive.

Or......the use of a time machine to go back and have Obama's birth announcement printed in two Hawaiian newspapers.

Adds a little sci-fi intrigue to the story I think!
 
Or......the use of a time machine to go back and have Obama's birth announcement printed in two Hawaiian newspapers.

Adds a little sci-fi intrigue to the story I think!

A time machine! Of course! I hadn't thought of that. Those sneaky liberals have a time machine!
 
Or......the use of a time machine to go back and have Obama's birth announcement printed in two Hawaiian newspapers.

Adds a little sci-fi intrigue to the story I think!

Hawaiian newspapers don't prove birthplace

The announcements of Barack Obama's birth printed by two Hawaii newspapers in 1961 do not provide solid proof of a birth in the Aloha State because of uncertainties over the policies and procedures that apparently were being used at the time.

The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, for example, according to its website, now reprints birth information it receives from Hawaii's Department of Health.

"We don't have an editor who handles birth and marriage announcements; we print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System," a Star-Bulletin newsroom operator explained to WND.

The operator said, "This is how we've always done it."

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The newspaper's "proof" of birth, therefore, could be based on a state-issued "Certification of Live Birth" which, as WND has reported is insufficient alone, even for some State Department officials, to document the birthplace.

Many people remain unaware a child does not even have to be born in Hawaii to receive a Certification of Live Birth, the very "evidence" the White House has cited in defending its assertion Obama was born in Hawaii.

Hawaiian law specifically allows "an adult or the legal parents of a minor child" to apply to the health department and, upon unspecified proof, be given the birth document.

The only requirement for proof cited in the law doesn't address the birth of the child either, just "that the legal parents of such individual while living without Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."

Complicating the situation somewhat is the affirmation from a woman in the Star-Bulletin newsroom – who did not identify herself – that the birth listings today contain just a child's name, no home address. The 1961 newspaper announcements also did not carry the name of the child.

The unanswered question, since the Obama announcement carried an address and no name, was whether the state provided addresses at one time and stopped, and didn't provide the name, or whether the information was obtained in some other fashion. Or was there another procedure to transmit information different from what now is released through the Certification of Live Birth that state officials say is the only document they now provide?

Likewise, the Honolulu Advertiser, which ran a Barack Obama birth announcement in the Aug. 13, 1961, Sunday Advertiser, relies on the state-issued certification, rather than reporting from hospitals.

The Advertiser's Marsha McFadden told WND at the time of Obama's birth announcement, the newspaper got all of its information from the state Department of Health. That would include the address.

"If we published it, it came from the state," she said.

She said today's rules are different. Anyone can submit information for announcements but the newspaper requires a birth document to verify. It also no longer uses addresses.
 

Well of course! So this is how they did it - they annointed little baby Barack the secret Muslim posing as the Messiah, and they planted birth announcements knowing that someday he'd need to be a natural-born citizen to run for President. The conspiracy has been going since the day he was born in Kenya!

:roll:
 
Well of course! So this is how they did it - they annointed little baby Barack the secret Muslim posing as the Messiah, and they planted birth announcements knowing that someday he'd need to be a natural-born citizen to run for President. The conspiracy has been going since the day he was born in Kenya!

:roll:

Or maybe the powers that be found Barack, who just happened to match something they where looking for perfectly?
 
Or maybe the powers that be found Barack, who just happened to match something they where looking for perfectly?

What exactly? A black guy with a Muslim middle name born overseas! Ah, a perfect candidate for president! We can't possibly find anyone better. :roll:
 
What exactly? A black guy with a Muslim middle name born overseas! Ah, a perfect candidate for president! We can't possibly find anyone better. :roll:

Someone who can upset the normal reqs for President.
 
Why more questions about his honesty than any other president's?

I don't know but maybe its because he is more dishonest and every time he ****s up he lies to cover it up..........
 
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