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Libertarian Militia Leader on Govt. Disability

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The gall of some of these tea party folks is amazing.

Libertarian Militiaman Who Urged 'Patriots' To Break Windows? He's On Government Disability

So the Washington Post interviews this Tea Party leader and former militiaman, the one who urged people to break Democratic party office windows, as if he were just someone with another reasonable point of view that's not worth examining. It's the old "he said, she said" that's just what we've come to expect from the corporate media.

They don't even mention that he's calling for an armed march on Washington for April 19 - a favorite of extremists because in addition to being the date of the first shots fired at Lexington in the Revolutionary War, it's also the anniversary of the last day of the government siege in Waco and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. No implied threat there, though! If you listen to the above radio interview, his stated position boils down to: Don't make me shoot you.

And in the final irony, of COURSE he's on government disability:

Vanderboegh said he once worked as a warehouse manager but now lives on government disability checks. He said he receives $1,300 a month because of his congestive heart failure, diabetes and hypertension. He has private health insurance through his wife, who works for a company that sells forklift products.

Born in Michigan and raised in Ohio, Vanderboegh said he was not always a libertarian. He once was active in the Young Socialist Alliance and the Progressive Labor Party. "In my youth, I was a communist," he said. But in the mid-1970s, Vanderboegh read Friedrich von Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom," among other books, and had an epiphany.

"From that point on, I could never take Marxism-Leninism seriously again," Vanderboegh said.

He said he long opposed President Obama because he believed the president has "collectivism" tendencies. But he became especially energized during the health-care debate.

"Collectivism" tendencies. You mean, like government disability?

Vanderboegh said he advocates breaking windows only of Democratic Party offices, not congressional offices, and that he does not condone the death threats and other incidents of harassment that some Democratic lawmakers have faced.

"Obviously I not only deplore or decry that, but I denounce that vigorously because it has nothing to do with what I was advocating," he said

Listen to the audio at this link: To hear some real crazy
 
What, a right winger that is also a hypocrite.. say it aint so!

And lets not for get the teabagger "leaders" who owe tons in taxes and so on.. great patriots there!
 
What, a right winger that is also a hypocrite.. say it aint so!

And lets not for get the teabagger "leaders" who owe tons in taxes and so on.. great patriots there!

So. He claims he is something he clearly is not. Last I checked, Libertarianism isn't a 'right wing' philosophy - nor is it a 'left' one; but really he is neither - he is however, a raging hypocrite. Again, the LP doesn't have the market cornered on these sorts of people - do they?

Since when does the LP have the market cornered on nutjobs and hypocrites? :roll: Maybe he should run for public office - he'd fit right in.
 
It's probably the SEIU breaking the windows, knowing the conservatives will be blamed.
 
Personally, I think this "libertarian leader" is just an old guy who likes to incite people to break somebody's windows. If we didn't have political parties, he'd probably advocate people breaking the windows of McDonald's just because he prefers Burger King.

And I think any political leader who advocates destruction or violence of any sort against those who disagree with them isn't much of one.
 
It has little to do with being libertarian and everything to do with being a teabagger. These ****tards haven't gotten any more sane, they've been steadily getting more nuts.
 
It has little to do with being libertarian and everything to do with being a teabagger. These ****tards haven't gotten any more sane, they've been steadily getting more nuts.
i agree.....what could have been a respected movement has turned into, well, just a movement.
 
Ahh, the "not one of ours" excuse by the right.. funny how the rats abandon the ship when things are exposed.. typical.
 
Ahh, the "not one of ours" excuse by the right.. funny how the rats abandon the ship when things are exposed.. typical.

Ahh, the generalization of people's political beliefs as purely "right" or "left" from people who can't seem to comprehend differing nuanced political philosophy... Even more typical.
 
It has little to do with being libertarian and everything to do with being a teabagger. These ****tards haven't gotten any more sane, they've been steadily getting more nuts.

I have been very disappointed in what the teaparty movement has turned into.
 
Ahh, the "not one of ours" excuse by the right.. funny how the rats abandon the ship when things are exposed.. typical.

Libertarian isn't exactly right-wing. I mean if all you want to do is throw out accusations and make fun of the other side; then by all means. But you'd be wrong about that. The libertarians and the GOP ain't the best of friends. And as someone pointed out earlier, every group has crazy in it; even the left-wing.
 
Ahh, the generalization of people's political beliefs as purely "right" or "left" from people who can't seem to comprehend differing nuanced political philosophy... Even more typical.
He doesn't even understand the US.
 
To help the confused.



While the typical Libertarian does end up on the right half of the chart, NeoCons would be placed farther to the right and on the authoritarian side, libertarians being (obviously) on the libertarian side of the scale. Even that is an oversimplification, as one's "position" can vary from issue to issue.
 
Ahh, the generalization of people's political beliefs as purely "right" or "left" from people who can't seem to comprehend differing nuanced political philosophy... Even more typical.

Oh I understand them fully, but I also understand bull**** when I see it.

The Libertarian "movement" popped into general view when Bush became really unpopular and his policies finally were shown to be an utter failure.

Suddenly former "Republicans" were calling themselves "Libertarians" instead.. their beliefs are pretty much the same and is right wing.. maybe without the overtly religious aspects.

Trying to hide this fact is just another poor attempt by a group of people who refuse to accept the failures of their views in the past.

It is no different than former communist parties becoming Greens or "Socialist Peoples Parties".. they are still communist at heart and in beliefs but are ashamed of what communism has done to the world.

So this guy is not only a major hypocrite but also a right wing hypocrite.
 
Oh I understand them fully, but I also understand bull**** when I see it.

The Libertarian "movement" popped into general view when Bush became really unpopular and his policies finally were shown to be an utter failure.

Suddenly former "Republicans" were calling themselves "Libertarians" instead.. their beliefs are pretty much the same and is right wing.. maybe without the overtly religious aspects.

Trying to hide this fact is just another poor attempt by a group of people who refuse to accept the failures of their views in the past.

It is no different than former communist parties becoming Greens or "Socialist Peoples Parties".. they are still communist at heart and in beliefs but are ashamed of what communism has done to the world.

So this guy is not only a major hypocrite but also a right wing hypocrite.

This just shows you don't know what you're talking about.

The best you can do in this argument is attempt to dump all over a philosophy you disagree with.
Yourbeing a partisan troll but nice try.
 
There is nothing hypocritical about being a Libertarian and being on disability.

But being a libertarian against socialized medicine (ie medicare), Social Security and other governmental welfare program when on government disability is

I believe typically when someone identifies as a libertarian they are typically agains the above programs (not always but in general) so when a libertarian is on disability most people will think he/she is a hypocrit
 
But being a libertarian against socialized medicine (ie medicare), Social Security and other governmental welfare program when on government disability is

I believe typically when someone identifies as a libertarian they are typically agains the above programs (not always but in general) so when a libertarian is on disability most people will think he/she is a hypocrit

It can be an entire pragmatic approach.

I prefer to have private retirement accounts but that isn't reality and this being unchangeable means I have to deal with it.
The same with SSD, I want to buy a private disability plan but I already have to government plan, so I live with what exists.

It doesn't make it hypocritical at all, it just makes other people look completely silly and foolish when they call it that.
 
It can be an entire pragmatic approach.

I prefer to have private retirement accounts but that isn't reality and this being unchangeable means I have to deal with it.
The same with SSD, I want to buy a private disability plan but I already have to government plan, so I live with what exists.

It doesn't make it hypocritical at all, it just makes other people look completely silly and foolish when they call it that.

You can be pragmatic and hypocritical at the same time on the same issue.

Especially if one is complaining about the lazy sods on SSD leaching off the American taxpayer all the while that person is a lazy sod on SSD leaching off the American taxpayer
 
You can be pragmatic and hypocritical at the same time on the same issue.

Especially if one is complaining about the lazy sods on SSD leaching off the American taxpayer all the while that person is a lazy sod on SSD leaching off the American taxpayer

That would be contradictory but it depends on the context.

If you are really disabled, like having something permanent and truly preventing you from working, but you complain about the people who have carpel tunnel syndrome being on disability.
That would be fine.

I'm not supporting this guy and have no use for him.
He's a stage 1 Libertarian and will probably never understand that higher complexities of the philosophy.

I just get annoyed when the only mention the news gives of our beliefs is in reference to some crazy dumb ass.
It invites all the trolls who like to do the "birds of a feather" faulty logic.
 
The Libertarian "movement" popped into general view when Bush became really unpopular and his policies finally were shown to be an utter failure.

No it wasn't. The libertarian movement started in the 70's and is the largest third party.
 
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