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Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

jallman said:
I think it's fair to say they wouldn't have enlisted if they were that put off by the concept.
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People join the military everyday with zero clue of what they're getting into.

Let's just say that a gay enlistee is put off by it. Shouldn't he/she have the right to feel like joining the military wouldn't be a mistake, because he/she is gay? Shouldn't he/she feel that when they joined the military, that he/she be assured a safe and comfortable living environment, free of intimidation and harrassment? Isn't that what you're advocating?
 
apdst said:
People join the military everyday with zero clue of what they're getting into.
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That's true for gays and straights. See, they actually are alike!!!

Let's just say that a gay enlistee is put off by it. Shouldn't he/she have the right to feel like joining the military wouldn't be a mistake, because he/she is gay? Shouldn't he/she feel that when they joined the military, that he/she be assured a safe and comfortable living environment, free of intimidation and harrassment? Isn't that what you're advocating?
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No, he or she should have the right to not join the military because it's not the lifestyle for him or her. Gay or straight has exactly zero relevance to that decision except on a personal level: in other words, the military has no business making such a decision a matter of policy for gays and a matter of choice for straights.
 
jallman said:
No, he or she should have the right to not join the military because it's not the lifestyle for him or her. Gay or straight has exactly zero relevance to that decision except on a personal level: in other words, the military has no business making such a decision a matter of policy for gays and a matter of choice for straights.
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The military has the right and the duty to insure that morale and discipline remain intact and if military commanders believe the best way to do that is to have segregate gay/straight billets, then that is their business and obligation to the defense of the nation to do so.
 
apdst said:
The military has the right and the duty to insure that morale and discipline remain intact and if military commanders believe the best way to do that is to have segregate gay/straight billets, then that is their business and obligation to the defense of the nation to do so.
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If it has a bearing on morale and discipline, sure. But experience and history indicate that it has none and so they have no business making it a matter of policy for gays and a matter of choice for straights.
 
jallman said:
If it has a bearing on morale and discipline, sure. But experience and history indicate that it has none and so they have no business making it a matter of policy for gays and a matter of choice for straights.
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There is no history, for gay soldiers aren't serving openly in the United States military.
 
Redress said:
Are you saying that does not happen to strait people in the military? Further, is that commonplace?
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Does it happen to straight soldiers because of their sexual orientation?
 
apdst said:
There is no history, for gay soldiers aren't serving openly in the United States military.
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There is history for other militaries that have allowed gays to serve openly and they haven't fallen apart. Sorry you find that inconvenient but it is what it is and you are just going to have to learn to live with it. Just like you are going to have to learn to live with the repeal of DADT, too. Suck it up, soldier.
 
apdst said:
Does it happen to straight soldiers because of their sexual orientation?
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Hey, straight soldiers get into fights over women, too. Let's get rid of women in the military. Or better yet, just get rid of soldiers altogether since they occasionally break the code of uniform justice!!!!
 
apdst said:
Does it happen to straight soldiers because of their sexual orientation?
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It happens to strait soldiers though, which is the point. It also is not a common occurrence. Far from it, it is very rare.
 
We're on the same page and you all are just too goddamned hardheaded and blinded by your Liberal hackery to know it.
 
apdst said:
We're on the same page and you all are just too goddamned hardheaded and blinded by your Liberal hackery to know it.
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Explain please. Enlighten us.

:rofl at calling Jallman a liberal though.
 
apdst said:
We're on the same page and you all are just too goddamned hardheaded and blinded by your Liberal hackery to know it.
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You want to use a government policy to protect the gays from making their own decisions. Sounds socialistic.
 
MSgt said:
It's not worth 30 anymore. I'm tired at 18.
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There has been a hell of a lot going on the last 18 years. You joined a year after I got out(sigh, I feel old now), so you had all the Iraq no fly zone enforcement, Somalia, Bosnia, the crap in Haiti, Afghanistan, and back to Iraq. I would be pretty tired too.
 
Redress said:
There has been a hell of a lot going on the last 18 years. You joined a year after I got out(sigh, I feel old now), so you had all the Iraq no fly zone enforcement, Somalia, Bosnia, the crap in Haiti, Afghanistan, and back to Iraq. I would be pretty tired too.
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Peronally, ....No Fly Enforcement, Somalia, Haiti, Iraq and Iraq. And probably Afghanistan next year. Then, of course, there's the hurricane relief missions in the Caribbean off and on.

The end of the Cold War has been hell. The world's going to spend the better part of the next century sorting itself out from bad borders and divided populations.
 
MSgt said:
Peronally, ....No Fly Enforcement, Somalia, Haiti, Iraq and Iraq. And probably Afghanistan next year. Then, of course, there's the hurricane relief missions in the Caribbean off and on.

The end of the Cold War has been hell. The world's going to spend the better part of the next century sorting itself out from bad borders and divided populations.
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Well, despite our differences, thank you for our service. You have done a ton more than I did(Desert Shield/Storm).
 
MSgt said:
She'll get an iMSgt instead and she'll like it.
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Bah, I already have one of those. That's cool though, I'll just return it for the newest model. :cool:
 
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