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Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

apdst said:
You couldn't more wrong. There are more vets here that are saying the same thing I'm saying than the other way around.

BTW, point out where I say that I'm against gays serving in the military, open, or otherwise. Perhaps you should read what I'm actually posting, rather than seeing what you want to see?
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Funny, I have not seen this "more vets". Care to link to the examples? Back up your point?
 
apdst said:
Males and females are, "different", and are treated, "differently", within the military.
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And the different ways they are treated have a basis in different biology mostly. Gays don't have a different biology.
 
Redress said:
And the different ways they are treated have a basis in different biology mostly. Gays don't have a different biology.
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Technically, they do, since some claim that the, "gay gene", actually exists.
 
Redress said:
Funny, I have not seen this "more vets". Care to link to the examples? Back up your point?
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I'm still waiting for you to point out where I said that gays shouldn't serve in the military. Actaully, I've advocated allowing gays to serve in the military and suggested ideas to make that easier and safer gay and straight soldiers alike. I guess your hatred won't let you see that, though.
 
apdst said:
Technically, they do, since some claim that the, "gay gene", actually exists.
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And this effects their ability to do the various jobs and the facilities they need how? Besides, almost no one claims that a "gay gene" is a sure thing, it is still a hypothesis.
 
Redress said:
And this effects their ability to do the various jobs and the facilities they need how? Besides, almost no one claims that a "gay gene" is a sure thing, it is still a hypothesis.
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A woman isn't capable of doing the same job as a man?
 
apdst said:
A woman isn't capable of doing the same job as a man?
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No. Of course not! I'm all about equal rights when we have the same capability but I'll be the first one to say that feminists need to shut up about their "right" to be firemen...firepeople...whatever.

Wait, what does this have to do with gays in the military? I'm pretty sure a gay guy is as capable as a straight guy.
 
Kelzie said:
No. Of course not! I'm all about equal rights when we have the same capability but I'll be the first one to say that feminists need to shut up about their "right" to be firemen...firepeople...whatever.

Wait, what does this have to do with gays in the military? I'm pretty sure a gay guy is as capable as a straight guy.
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That's what she just said. You don't want gays treated differently, when it comes to billets and the standards, yet we never hear anything about females being held to a lower standard.

We don't want to treat people who are different, differenly. Do we? Where's the outrage over gender norming?
 
apdst said:
A woman isn't capable of doing the same job as a man?
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Depends on the woman. Aviation Ordninceman is a very physical job that I am some what personally familiar with, and I knew women who could do it very well. They still needed different bathroom facilities though, since the space wasted on urinals in a man's head was needed for toilets in a woman's.
 
Redress said:
Depends on the woman. Aviation Ordninceman is a very physical job that I am some what personally familiar with, and I knew women who could do it very well. They still needed different bathroom facilities though, since the space wasted on urinals in a man's head was needed for toilets in a woman's.
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You were a redshirt?
 
apdst said:
That's what she just said. You don't want gays treated differently, when it comes to billets and the standards, yet we never hear anything about females being held to a lower standard.

We don't want to treat people who are different, differenly. Do we? Where's the outrage over gender norming?
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Of course you didn't address everything I said...gay men have the same "parts" and abilities as straight men. There's no reason to treat them differently.
 
apdst said:
You were a redshirt?
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No, green or white shirt, mostly white. Avionics Tech, mostly working out of the Line division as a troubleshooter and final checker(which is the best job in the military hands down...I would still be in if I could have stayed in the line division). Avionics techs do release checks and work closely with the ordies, and troubleshooters worked alot with them, including helping on loads when needed, though I was not big enough to do most of that, cept some sparrow and mer/ver loading. I was fully arm/disarm qualled.
 
Kelzie said:
Of course you didn't address everything I said...gay men have the same "parts" and abilities as straight men. There's no reason to treat them differently.
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Thank you! People get so hung up on what really is a small difference, and miss the big picture.
 
Kelzie said:
Of course you didn't address everything I said...gay men have the same "parts" and abilities as straight men. There's no reason to treat them differently.
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They do different things with those, "parts", so there's plenty of reason to have gay/straight segregated billets, or at least give soldiers the option. It will be good for morale and for the safety of gay soldiers who may feel threatened being surrounded by a couple hundred straight soldiers.
 
Redress said:
No, green or white shirt, mostly white. Avionics Tech, mostly working out of the Line division as a troubleshooter and final checker(which is the best job in the military hands down...I would still be in if I could have stayed in the line division). Avionics techs do release checks and work closely with the ordies, and troubleshooters worked alot with them, including helping on loads when needed, though I was not big enough to do most of that, cept some sparrow and mer/ver loading. I was fully arm/disarm qualled.
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I should have joined the Navy and worked on the flight deck. I think I would have enjoyed that. **** all that crawling around in the mud infantry ****...lol
 
apdst said:
They do different things with those, "parts", so there's plenty of reason to have gay/straight segregated billets, or at least give soldiers the option. It will be good for morale and for the safety of gay soldiers who may feel threatened being surrounded by a couple hundred straight soldiers.
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If they felt threatened by being around straight guys, I doubt they would have joined in the first place.
 
apdst said:
I should have joined the Navy and worked on the flight deck. I think I would have enjoyed that. **** all that crawling around in the mud infantry ****...lol
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16 hours of adrenaline rushing a day, then down into the air conditioning. I miss it every day.
 
Kelzie said:
If they felt threatened by being around straight guys, I doubt they would have joined in the first place.
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"Threatened" isn't exactly the word I would use when considering the idea of being on a ship with a couple hundred dudes. :lol:
 
Kelzie said:
If they felt threatened by being around straight guys, I doubt they would have joined in the first place.
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There are women that would feel threatened, if they were forced to billet with male soldiers. Should we tell them to toughen up, or get out?
 
jallman said:
"Threatened" isn't exactly the word I would use when considering the idea of being on a ship with a couple hundred dudes. :lol:
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'Till a few homophobes gave you a blanket party one night.
 
apdst said:
There are women that would feel threatened, if they were forced to billet with male soldiers. Should we tell them to toughen up, or get out?
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No. Women are different and have different parts, combined with the fact that they are not used to living with men in that capacity. Gay men are and nothing sets them apart from straight men to signal that they should be treated differently that the eye can see.
 
Kelzie said:
No. Women are different and have different parts, combined with the fact that they are not used to living with men in that capacity. Gay men are and nothing sets them apart from straight men to signal that they should be treated differently that the eye can see.
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It may be a bit of a stretch to say that all gay men are accustomed to living in open bay barracks with a buncha straight men.
 
apdst said:
It may be a bit of a stretch to say that all gay men are accustomed to living in open bay barracks with a buncha straight men.
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I think it's fair to say they wouldn't have enlisted if they were that put off by the concept.
 
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