misterman
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Answer my question if you can?
Okay, as long as you promise to answer mine too.
Answer my question if you can?
I am trying to give you a hypothetical when I say men and women should bunk together......I know that it will not happen..........The point I am trying to make is the attraction between men and women is the same as the one between Lesbians and other women and gays and other men............
So should we have separate locker rooms and bathrooms and dorms and all that stuff for gays in all other segments of society? At the gym, and in college? After all, there are going to be gays in those places too, staring at the rest of us.
I am not 100 % sure if it is true these days any more, but it used to be. The reality is that the stat probably came from educated people being more likely to come out of the closet.
Wow.
You don't even understand what our military fights for.
And you're lucky if you don't get dinged by the mods for this one.
Oh I got dinged.
And how is it exactly that I do not know what it is I, myself, fought for? .
So what did you fight for? And please try to specific and avoid generalizations.
"I (insert my name here) do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
Simple enough of an answer for you?
"I (insert my name here) do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
Simple enough of an answer for you?
And as I said, it does affect me because it is my money and my security. If you wish to pay me back the portion of my taxes that went to the defense budget, then I would be more than happy to send you my address and you can send me the check, then I won't have a basis by which to complain.
That is fairly broad actually. Now can you speak for yourself instead of a pre written oath?
I am talking personally, if you were in the military or if you were joining and DADT affected you that way......Everyone pays taxes so that is a red herring........
I am talking personally, if you were in the military or if you were joining and DADT affected you that way......Everyone pays taxes so that is a red herring........
No, your little, "it doesn't affect you" argument is a red herring. The people this policy affects most are gays and lesbians who are serving in the military, not you.
I am talking personally, if you were in the military or if you were joining and DADT affected you that way......Everyone pays taxes so that is a red herring........
You are always spouting off about things that you have no "personal" experience or say in....why are you different than those whom you criticize?
I am talking personally, if you were in the military or if you were joining and DADT affected you that way......Everyone pays taxes so that is a red herring........
No it's not. We pay taxes to the federal government that goes into a defense budget to pay for a professional, well trained military. We do not pay taxes to provide a safe haven for bigots and homophobes to flee to when they don't want to accept that the world is moving forward.
DADT affects all of America.
As I have said many times the military has one reason for existing......that is to fight our wars and protect us....It is not there to see how it will react to social experimentation......If the men that are serving say keep DADT then they should be listened to....If liberals want to do social experimentation do it somewhere else.......Cohesion and morale are to important to ignore...You can destroy your military by ignoring it...........
Personally, it affected me in that I saw a couple of good nukes put out of the Navy involuntarily for being gay, and at least one more, who signed the paperwork to get out. Now for the one who signed the paperwork, she would have required the military to accept her significant other as a spouse to stay in, but without DADT and the rules against gays, she would have at least stayed until the end of her contract. The loss of 3 nukes, even on a carrier, does affect how much watch others have to stand and reduces the overall effectiveness of the department, at least a little, especially when the 3 were some of the top scorers on our tests.
Also, I was good friends with two of them, and the two guys were both there helping me when I had my allergic reaction while we were out with a group of others from our Nuke school class in Seattle.
I have never seen any problems caused by the homosexuals serving with heterosexuals who know they are gay. So I feel I have very good reason to dislike this unfair policy against gays, beyond even the already good reasons to disapprove of the policy.
The military isn't there to protect the homophobic sensibilities of people like you either. Military policy isn't dictated because people like you aren't professional enough to work alongside openly gay soldiers.
Furthermore, what the hell is a "social experiment"? It's one of those nonsense phrases that conservatives use when they are losing an argument against change. Oh we can't do that! It's a social experiment!
You sound like a ****ing broken record.......At least some of your friends makes a little sense and present some type of and argument.........
Everyone knows there is no problem working with someone gay.....I did it myself for 10 years and am on a golf team with a gay co worker who is gay.......We are not talking about working with someone gay...........Try and pay attention.......You just lose the little creditability you might have..........
I to saw good people that were gay discharged....They new the rules and the law but they made unwanted sexual advances against their shipmates...You just can't ignore that no matter how good of a sailor the person is.....
I can honestly say I have never known anyone who was gay in the Navy unless they were caught making unwanted advances.....There were guys that were very feminine that you might think they were gay but they never made advances or broke the law.........The court-martials I saw were against guys you would never think were gay......There was a EEL gunners mate and a EEL corpsman who were caught.........the EEL was performing oral sex on the EEL.........They were both court marshaled and discharged.....The gunners mate claimed he was not gay and that he just liked what the E3 did for him........The point I am trying to make is stereotypes don't always work.....
I can honestly say I have never known anyone who was gay in the Navy unless they were caught making unwanted advances.....