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Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

So, Navy...going to document a single one of your claims yet? There is a reason you are getting soundly embarrassed this debate you know.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
And you constantly go off on rants about how evil liberals are and label anyone who disagrees with you as a liberal. Just saying...
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You can run from your posts my left wing friend but you can't hide from them...They give you away besides there are probably only about 40 true conservatives in DP and they are my friends in my profile.......
 
Redress said:
So, Navy...going to document a single one of your claims yet? There is a reason you are getting soundly embarrassed this debate you know.
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Hey you haven't been reading the thread as usual redress..I said i would give in and go along with gays living with straights with one caveat...Men and women get to live together aboard ship to......Like you liberals say the gays can control themselves so by the same token striaght men and women can to.........

Do you agree?
 
Navy Pride said:
Hey you haven't been reading the thread as usual redress..I said i would give in and go along with gays living with straights with one caveat...Men and women get to live together aboard ship to......Like you liberals say the gays can control themselves so by the same token striaght men and women can to.........

Do you agree?
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I will answer that question: Yes. I think most straight men and women ARE (unlike you) able to control themselves. There are rules that provide for punishment for those who cannot.

BTW Navy....going back to my previous question: Referencing your Lesbian that raised a family issue. Do you think Larry Craig (who has been married for many years and raised a family) is straight (and just likes to engage in gay sex in airport restrooms)?
 
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Navy Pride said:
Hey you haven't been reading the thread as usual redress..I said i would give in and go along with gays living with straights with one caveat...Men and women get to live together aboard ship to......Like you liberals say the gays can control themselves so by the same token striaght men and women can to.........

Do you agree?
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Gays already do live together on board ship. So what is the point you trying to make?
 
Navy Pride said:
Hey you haven't been reading the thread as usual redress..I said i would give in and go along with gays living with straights with one caveat...Men and women get to live together aboard ship to......Like you liberals say the gays can control themselves so by the same token striaght men and women can to.........

Do you agree?
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Well, since you don't really get a say in whether or not men and women would have to live together if gays and straights do, then it doesn't really matter. It has already been pointed out to you, and you even agreed, that the military will not make men and women live together. They already have gays and straights living together though. So your little attempt at a compromise doesn't work very well. You can't bargain with something that isn't going to happen.

And you still didn't answer my question NP, what should the military do if someone accuses a fellow service member of being gay, but they haven't admitted to it? Also, how exactly could they determine the number of barracks/racks needed for the gay men/women? If the homosexual personnel are not all divulging they are gay, then how will you know the exact number of beds needed for each unit/boat to allow for gay personnel? Not to mention, how many heads/showers should be reserved? There is no way that the military could actually require anyone to tell everyone their sexuality. Being gay is nothing like being a different gender. Gender is set as is, there is really no way that someone could be confused about their actual gender. Servicemembers could, however, be confused about what their actual sexuality is. Some service members may still be in denial to themselves that they are homosexual. And where do you put bisexual personnel?
 
Navy Pride said:
Hey you haven't been reading the thread as usual redress..I said i would give in and go along with gays living with straights with one caveat...Men and women get to live together aboard ship to......Like you liberals say the gays can control themselves so by the same token striaght men and women can to.........

Do you agree?
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Which does not document a single claim, and is stupid besides. Let me clue you in a little bit Navy...gay men are not women, gay women are not men. So why exactly would you treat a man, who is not a woman, as a woman, and vice versa?

Now, about all those claims you made, liberals hating the military, gays getting discharged every day for sexual harassment, people can change their orientation...when you going to document them, or will you admit you made it all up?
 
Panache said:
Except that thoroughly investigating every member of the military to determine their orientation would be prohibitively expensive. As you have already said, a great deal of time, effort and resources is already needlessly wasted on these discharges.
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Only because of political pressure. Once outed, they can simply be summarily dumped without a lot of fuss, and if they are actively discouraged from signing up in the first place that would cut way down on the numbers, unlike the situation today. Making homosexuality a bar to joining, they would have to lie to get in in the first place, making it an automatic discharge if outed.

On which planet? Gays are gaining headway. Homophobes are losing ground.
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On Planet Earth. They tried the 'We're Born That Way' myth, and it's backfired, as most current research shows, and now the scientific consensus is swinging back the other way, to environmental and parental factors dominating.
 
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Redress said:
Which does not document a single claim, and is stupid besides. Let me clue you in a little bit Navy...gay men are not women, gay women are not men. So why exactly would you treat a man, who is not a woman, as a woman, and vice versa?

Now, about all those claims you made, liberals hating the military, gays getting discharged every day for sexual harassment, people can change their orientation...when you going to document them, or will you admit you made it all up?
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I know your so liberal that your prejudice against straight people in that you will allow lesbians and gays to bunk together but not straight men and women.......Shame on you for your double standard..........Unlike you I am consistent...........

Now on your other lie.........I say your liberal leaders like Durbin, Murtha, and Kerry hate our military........You kneel at their altar and will not condemn what they say so one can only assume you believe as they do.......

Its easy to prove your not.........Condemn what they said......You won't do it.......Now I have said this 3 or 4 times so I will not repeat it again unless I cut and paste.....You can keep saying the same old **** but I will not respond to it...........
 
Navy Pride said:
I know your so liberal that your prejudice against straight people in that you will allow lesbians and gays to bunk together but not straight men and women.......Shame on you for your double standard..........Unlike you I am consistent...........

Now on your other lie.........I say your liberal leaders like Durbin, Murtha, and Kerry hate our military........You kneel at their altar and will not condemn what they say so one can only assume you believe as they do.......

Its easy to prove your not.........Condemn what they said......You won't do it.......Now I have said this 3 or 4 times so I will not repeat it again unless I cut and paste.....You can keep saying the same old **** but I will not respond to it...........
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So lies, more lies, and still not one bit of evidence to back your claims. Good work there Navy.
 
roguenuke said:
Well, since you don't really get a say in whether or not men and women would have to live together if gays and straights do, then it doesn't really matter. It has already been pointed out to you, and you even agreed, that the military will not make men and women live together. They already have gays and straights living together though. So your little attempt at a compromise doesn't work very well. You can't bargain with something that isn't going to happen.

And you still didn't answer my question NP, what should the military do if someone accuses a fellow service member of being gay, but they haven't admitted to it? Also, how exactly could they determine the number of barracks/racks needed for the gay men/women? If the homosexual personnel are not all divulging they are gay, then how will you know the exact number of beds needed for each unit/boat to allow for gay personnel? Not to mention, how many heads/showers should be reserved? There is no way that the military could actually require anyone to tell everyone their sexuality. Being gay is nothing like being a different gender. Gender is set as is, there is really no way that someone could be confused about their actual gender. Servicemembers could, however, be confused about what their actual sexuality is. Some service members may still be in denial to themselves that they are homosexual. And where do you put bisexual personnel?
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I am trying to give you a hypothetical when I say men and women should bunk together......I know that it will not happen..........The point I am trying to make is the attraction between men and women is the same as the one between Lesbians and other women and gays and other men............
 
jallman said:
It's never been illegal to spout one's stupidity, no matter how ignorant an uninformed it is.
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Yes, the propaganda machine run by gay activists is a prime example.

You may cry foul over homosexuality not being on a list of disorders all you want
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I'm not crying about it, but the fashion victims espousing it as something besides deviant behavior will be, very soon, but no amount of silly ad hominems and attempting to shout down your opponents is going to be effective any more.

just as I may point at you and laugh at the absurdity of anyone in this day and age believing such a thing.
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The absurdity is entirely on your's and gay activists' parts. Now that some real studies are coming to very different conclusions than what the popular propaganda memes are trying to indoctrinate even school children into believing will be going rapidly out of fashion, unfortunately for you.
 
Navy Pride said:
They don't live openly is the point.........
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Is living openly going to make them insatiable sex fiends, while not being open makes them more constrained?
 
Picaro said:
The absurdity is entirely on your's and gay activists' parts. Now that some real studies are coming to very different conclusions than what the popular propaganda memes are trying to indoctrinate even school children into believing will be going rapidly out of fashion, unfortunately for you.
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Source please.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Point #3

Given that homosexuals do serve in the military in shared bunks and things are ok with both the homosexuals and hetrosexuals currenty, why with the end of DADT should anything change?
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because currently all those homosexuals "are heterosexual"
 
jallman said:
Dollars to donuts it's NARTH or Focus on the Family. :lol:
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That is my guess, and why I want sources. Unfortunately, the anti's in this thread are not big on sourcing any of their claims, and some of the claims are just insane.

Claim: Liberals hate the military

Claim: Some old lady Navy heard about changed her orientation

Claim: Every one in the military is incapable of resisting the urge to **** everything that moves

Claim: a gay a day is discharged from the military for sexual harassment

Claim: studies are showing that gay is a mental defect

Not a single source to any of those claims. Funny that.
 
Redress said:
That is my guess, and why I want sources. Unfortunately, the anti's in this thread are not big on sourcing any of their claims, and some of the claims are just insane.

Claim: Liberals hate the military

Claim: Some old lady Navy heard about changed her orientation

Claim: Every one in the military is incapable of resisting the urge to **** everything that moves

Claim: a gay a day is discharged from the military for sexual harassment

Claim: studies are showing that gay is a mental defect

Not a single source to any of those claims. Funny that.
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Well you don't really expect reason and rationality to prevail when the leading argument on their side is "eeeewww icky boys kissing boys", do you?
 
jallman said:
Well you don't really expect reason and rationality to prevail when the leading argument on their side is "eeeewww icky boys kissing boys", do you?
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The funny part is that those same guys would say "OOOO, yummy, girls kissing girls".

Of course, we won't go into a real discussion of lipstick lesbians...
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Which latest research results would those be?
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The most recent is a Finnish study, and before that were several twins studies, and the results of a study on changing sexual orientation, and some others less recent, but current as of the middle of last year. Also, many 'studies' cited by gay activists have been found to have been altered or misrepresented, which isn't unusual, since many of the 'researchers' are homosexuals themselves and of course aren't going to admit their results didn't pan out the way they hoped, particularly a study of children raised by two homosexual parents.
 
Picaro said:
The most recent is a Finnish study, and before that were several twins studies, and the results of a study on changing sexual orientation, and some others less recent, but current as of the middle of last year. Also, many 'studies' cited by gay activists have been found to have been altered or misrepresented, which isn't unusual, since many of the 'researchers' are homosexuals themselves and of course aren't going to admit their results didn't pan out the way they hoped, particularly a study of children raised by two homosexual parents.
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Source please.

Can just one person actually back up a claim with a source?
 
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