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Marine officer: Gays, straights shouldn't share housing

Kelzie said:
Bah, I already have one of those. That's cool though, I'll just return it for the newest model. :cool:
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Good god where did you come from???? :mrgreen:
 
CriticalThought said:
You want to use a government policy to protect the gays from making their own decisions. Sounds socialistic.
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Does it bother anyone else how an alleged conservative considers those who serve and defend our country to be little more then animals with no sense of professionalism?

It does amuse me to watch the alleged backers of the military turn so quickly on those they pretend to support.


Soldiers = Good, Solid, Professional, Class, Deserve Respect.
Gay Soldier = Evil, Incompetent, Little more then animals, deserve contempt.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Good to see some senior officers speaking up on this insanity


http://www.debatepolitics.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=130

March 26 2010


CNN) -- The Marine Corps' top officer says he would want to avoid housing gay and heterosexual Marines in the same rooms on base if the ban on gays openly serving in the military is lifted.

"I would not ask our Marines to live with someone that's homosexual if we can possibly avoid it," Marine Commandant Gen. James Conway told a Web site in an interview posted Friday. "And to me that means we've got to build [barracks] that have single rooms."

Some senior members of the military, however, have expressed concern over the impact of the ban's repeal on unit cohesion and morale, among other things
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Yet another homophobic thread from the king of the homophobes... with perhaps the most ironic name on DP...

Why do you fear them so?
 
obvious Child said:
Does it bother anyone else how an alleged conservative considers those who serve and defend our country to be little more then animals with no sense of professionalism?

It does amuse me to watch the alleged backers of the military turn so quickly on those they pretend to support.


Soldiers = Good, Solid, Professional, Class, Deserve Respect.
Gay Soldier = Evil, Incompetent, Little more then animals, deserve contempt.
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Well here is one Conservative who believes that most gays serving in the Navy are doing a good job.......I still believe that DADT should remain in effect....If gays don't like DADT don't join the Navy..........
 
hazlnut said:
Yet another homophobic thread from the king of the homophobes... with perhaps the most ironic name on DP...

Why do you fear them so?
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No need to post me....If you continue to insult or call names you will get no response.........I do have to admit if I did respond I would blow your ass right out of the water............
 
obvious Child said:
Does it bother anyone else how an alleged conservative considers those who serve and defend our country to be little more then animals with no sense of professionalism?
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Oh come now. Until 9/11 and until it became the political fad, nobody gave a damn about the expendable animals. The end of the Cold War meant the end of the military in a lot of people's minds.
 
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MSgt said:
Oh come now. Until 9/11 and until it became the political fad, nobody gave a damn about the expendable animals. The end of the Cold War meant the end of the military in a lot of people's minds.
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I did though! I still hate what I see as the phonies, the people who ran out to buy the flag thing for their car after 9/11....
 
Navy Pride said:
......If gays don't like DADT don't join the Navy..........
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You've got to put this into persepective bro.

When you or I and so many others think of homosexuals we think of the "Just Jack's" from Will & Grace or the never-ending examples of flambouyancy in Hollywood that gays are stereotyped as in our favorite comedies. But these are not the types that have joined the military in the past and will not be joining in the future (especially in the Corps).

Gays serving openly is merely a matter of time. There are going to be growing pains (more than people want to see or acknowledge), but in the end the military is not going to change for the worse. Though not to be compared exactly to the period blacks were introduced into the military, we are talking about another big shift in social identity. It took decades to get the base of racism out of the ranks. It will be far easier for gays who will mostly remain to themselves and blend in just fine. We will not see men in uniform holding hands or kissing (blech). Public shows of affection while in uniform are prohibited (especially in the Marine Corps) between even a husband and a wife. This will not change. When the ban is lifted nobody (meaning the vast majority) in the military will even see it. Nobody will be asked their sexual preference by any recruiter. So the difference between DADT and "serving openly" is that the military will not have to entertain Court Martials for it anymore (which skyrocketed thanks to Clinton's retarded DADT fiasco).

The stereotype we think of when it comes to homosexuals will go no where near a recruiting station. Not only do they not want the hassle, but they don't want the alpha male lifestyle that comes with parts of the military. Those that do, will be as average as the next guy (only with a boyfriend after hours). The percentage of gays in the military, especially for the Corps, has got to be so low that "serving openly" won't be as open as people think.
 
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Redress said:
I did though! I still hate what I see as the phonies, the people who ran out to buy the flag thing for their car after 9/11....
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You are different. You were (are) a part of the military culture.
 
Navy Pride said:
Well here is one Conservative who believes that most gays serving in the Navy are doing a good job.......I still believe that DADT should remain in effect....If gays don't like DADT don't join the Navy..........
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Okay, so you think that suddenly without the DADT that gay sailors will do a bad job?

It is highly disturbing just how quickly you are ready to crucify soldiers the instant the dadt is removed.

It is as if you think that removing the DADT causes them to revert to animalistic behavior.

If anyone hates the military, it's you.
 
MSgt said:
You've got to put this into persepective bro.

When you or I and so many others think of homosexuals we think of the "Just Jack's" from Will & Grace or the never-ending examples of flambouyancy in Hollywood that gays are stereotyped as in our favorite comedies. But these are not the types that have joined the military in the past and will not be joining in the future (especially in the Corps).

Gays serving openly is merely a matter of time. There are going to be growing pains (more than people want to see or acknowledge), but in the end the military is not going to change for the worse. Though not to be compared exactly to the period blacks were introduced into the military, we are talking about another big shift in social identity. It took decades to get the base of racism out of the ranks. It will be far easier for gays who will mostly remain to themselves and blend in just fine. We will not see men in uniform holding hands or kissing (blech). Public shows of affection while in uniform are prohibited (especially in the Marine Corps) between even a husband and a wife. This will not change. When the ban is lifted nobody (meaning the vast majority) in the military will even see it. Nobody will be asked their sexual preference by any recruiter. So the difference between DADT and "serving openly" is that the military will not have to entertain Court Martials for it anymore (which skyrocketed thanks to Clinton's retarded DADT fiasco).

The stereotype we think of when it comes to homosexuals will go no where near a recruiting station. Not only do they not want the hassle, but they don't want the alpha male lifestyle that comes with parts of the military. Those that do, will be as average as the next guy (only with a boyfriend after hours). The percentage of gays in the military, especially for the Corps, has got to be so low that "serving openly" won't be as open as people think.
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I don't believe enlisted in the Navy aboard ship or Marines will ever accept gays serving openly in the military and that they have rights to...If DADT is overturned then I believe their contract was violated and they should be given the opportunity to resign and paid a bonus upon their leaving......all we hear about is the rights of the gays on this issue.......You know as well as I do that the military is there for one reason and that is to fight our wars and protect us......It is not there for social experimentation......I talk to enlisted people all the time and 90% of them hate the idea of DADT being lifted.......They believe it will have a huge effect on morale and unit cohesion........

I have personal friends in the Navy who are MCPOs and SCPOs and off the record they say this change will never work........They and the men who work for them should have the final say on this issue..Knowing you I don't think the results will surprise you........

I agree with the Commandant of the Marine Corps my friend..........
 
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obvious Child said:
Okay, so you think that suddenly without the DADT that gay sailors will do a bad job?

It is highly disturbing just how quickly you are ready to crucify soldiers the instant the dadt is removed.

It is as if you think that removing the DADT causes them to revert to animalistic behavior.

If anyone hates the military, it's you.
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I think more about the rights of the straight people in the military my left wing friend...........I know one thing you could never hack it aboard a navy combatant.....and that is a fact.....
 
Navy Pride said:
I think more about the rights of the straight people in the military my left wing friend...........I know one thing you could never hack it aboard a navy combatant.....and that is a fact.....
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You do always end up resorting to lame cheap shots. It's about all you ever have left.
 
Navy Pride said:
I don't believe enlisted in the Navy aboard ship or Marines will ever accept gays serving openly in the military and that they have rights to...If DADT is overturned then I believe their contract was violated and they should be given the opportunity to resign and paid a bonus upon their leaving......all we hear about is the rights of the gays on this issue.......You know as well as I do that the military is there for one reason and that is to fight our wars and protect us......It is not there for social experimentation......I talk to enlisted people all the time and 90% of them hate the idea of DADT being lifted.......They believe it will have a huge effect on morale and unit cohesion........

I have personal friends in the Navy who are MCPOs and SCPOs and off the record they say this change will never work........They and the men who work for them should have the final say on this issue..Knowing you I don't think the results will surprise you........

I agree with the Commandant of the Marine Corps my friend..........
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Navy Pride: If you are not a vet, your opinions on gays in the military is ignorant, if you support gays serving openly. You don't know about the military. It should be up to vets and those serving.

Vet's chime in in favor of gays serving in the military...well, they are wrong and don't count, it should be up to those actively serving.

Some one actively serving speaks up supporting gays serving openly...UH HO...ummmmmm...well, he is not in the Navy or Marines, where it won't work.

Cept Msgt is in the Marines. Now Navy is in real trouble
 
Navy Pride said:
If DADT is overturned then I believe their contract was violated and they should be given the opportunity to resign and paid a bonus upon their leaving.....
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You can show where in the contracts it says that out military personnel won't have to serve with openly gay people?
 
Redress said:
Navy Pride: If you are not a vet, your opinions on gays in the military is ignorant, if you support gays serving openly. You don't know about the military. It should be up to vets and those serving.

Vet's chime in in favor of gays serving in the military...well, they are wrong and don't count, it should be up to those actively serving.

Some one actively serving speaks up supporting gays serving openly...UH HO...ummmmmm...well, he is not in the Navy or Marines, where it won't work.

Cept Msgt is in the Marines. Now Navy is in real trouble
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I am with the Commandant of the Marine Corps redress......Semper Fi!!!
 
Redress said:
You can show where in the contracts it says that out military personnel won't have to serve with openly gay people?
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I will play your childish kids game......Show me where it is?
 
Navy Pride said:
I am with the Commandant of the Marine Corps redress......Semper Fi!!!
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I am with those veteran's and active duty people who support allowing gays to serve openly. We have some of both, so you need to stop with the whole "you don't understand the military" crap.
 
Navy Pride said:
I will play your childish kids game......Show me where it is?
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I did not say it was in there, you did, so it's up to you to show where.

Hint: It's not there.
 
Navy Pride said:
When you debate do you ever talk about the subject of the thread or just attack your opponent when you are soundly beaten?
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My point exactly.
 
Navy Pride said:
When you debate do you ever talk about the subject of the thread or just attack your opponent when you are soundly beaten?
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Irony alert, irony alert! This is not a drill!
 
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