This just came on Channel 13 in Houston. The FBI is now investigating death threats to Representative Al Green of Houston, who began getting them after he voted for the health care bill.
Al Green happens to be my congressman. When he had his town hall meeting here in Houston, I had a chance to get up and speak. There were so many people there that everybody had to draw numbers. Lucky for me, my number was drawn. Anyways, I asked how this was going to be funded, and expressed my concern that this was going to run up massive deficits. His answer was to evade my point, and talk about how health care was the right of every American.
OK, at least I tried to get an answer from Al Green, but make no mistake about it - I condemn anyone who would make threats. This is as unamerican as you can get. Those who think that making threats against an elected official ought to move to a nation more conducive to their philosophy - Like the Soviet Union.... Oops, thats, right, it doesn't exist any more. Well then, they can try Iran. I know, I know, Islamic and all that, but they are not so different from these Bozos are they? They only differences between those who are making the death threats and Islamic jihadists are:
1) Different religions - Islamic vs. either Christian or Atheist, or whatever other religion or philosophy floats peoples' boats here in America.
2) We have laws that keep people like this in check. Iran has laws that encourage violence and the murder of its citizens. Perhaps, if our Bozos merely converted to Islam, the Iranian government might be willing to put them to work doing what they only wish they could do here, but are too cowardly to do so. Then they would be perfectly happy.
Sorry if this is a bit over the top, but I rank those who make death threats right up there with the rest of the terrorist scumbags. Again, the only things stopping them are good police enforcement, a decent system of government, the 99.9% of Americans who find their actions reprehensible, and the inherent cowardice of these Bozos. Want to derail health care? Do it legally.
Thank God, there are only a few pathetic punks like these out there, but in our present political climate, those few cockroaches are now coming out of the woodwork. A can of Raid* right now would do nicely.
* Serious prison time for those caught making death threats.
I don't have a link yet, since this was just on the news, but I will supply one as soon as I can.
Would anyone today condone tarring and feathering?
Besides chaos what do they actually create? I can think of nothing beneficial that these groups provide, in fact, they usually advocate for more government intervention, so in essence they are parasites.On its own merits as a profession, leaving Obama out of it, what's so bad about community organizers?
False, they lobby for power like anyone else, they use people much like any other lobby group. Businesses and private citizens who provide goods and services make things better for people, because whoever provides the best product at the most competitive price wins, meaning we all do.They're usually the people on the ground trying to make things better for people.
I'm just going to go ahead and call bull**** on that. ACORN, Greenpeace, etc. are all borderline criminals, and they offer nothing to myself or anyone else looking to actually make life and community better.You want to live in a better society? You want community involvement? A community organizer is an important tool for that.
Besides chaos what do they actually create? I can think of nothing beneficial that these groups provide,
Okay, examples we can discuss? What do they specifically do that is beneficial? Keep in mind by beneficial I mean to society, not something that might screw me over to benefit someone else, or other things that are of questionable benefit and that others may not provide.Whoa.
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They often make sure that communities are organized and ready to stand up for themselves when a problem arise. An example: there's a poor part of town in my city where a company is trying to buy everyone's mineral rights under their houses. The reason for this is because under this neighborhood there used to be a natural gas cavern that was pumped dry. This company wants to take the dangerous step of pumping natural gas back into this natural formation, even though there's fears that it could potentially leak or explode. This is the kind of issue that a community organizer would try to take on. To say nothing of tricky legal situations, like when a landlord is doing potentially illegal things but the tenant doesn't know what to do about it.Besides chaos what do they actually create? I can think of nothing beneficial that these groups provide, in fact, they usually advocate for more government intervention, so in essence they are parasites.
But there's also times when companies are doing things that are unethical and possibly dangerous, and we need to be ready for those. Or when a community is too disorganized to fight against a new government law that will harm the community (like a zoning law.) Those times you need someone to organize a community to fight back.False, they lobby for power like anyone else, they use people much like any other lobby group. Businesses and private citizens who provide goods and services make things better for people, because whoever provides the best product at the most competitive price wins, meaning we all do.
I'm just going to go ahead and call bull**** on that. ACORN, Greenpeace, etc. are all borderline criminals, and they offer nothing to myself or anyone else looking to actually make life and community better.
Ah, so ignoring property rights, fostering unnatural fears about a very rare statistical occurance, standing in the way of a perfectly legit business practice. So in other words, not a damn thing good here. There are legitimate authorities for this, not a bunch of scumbag "community organizers".They often make sure that communities are organized and ready to stand up for themselves when a problem arise. An example: there's a poor part of town in my city where a company is trying to buy everyone's mineral rights under their houses. The reason for this is because under this neighborhood there used to be a natural gas cavern that was pumped dry. This company wants to take the dangerous step of pumping natural gas back into this natural formation, even though there's fears that it could potentially leak or explode. This is the kind of issue that a community organizer would try to take on. To say nothing of tricky legal situations, like when a landlord is doing potentially illegal things but the tenant doesn't know what to do about it.
"We", haha, no. Most people don't need or want that trash in their cities, and btw zoning law has a specific process, and "commuity organizers" are not part of that or even necessary.But there's also times when companies are doing things that are unethical and possibly dangerous, and we need to be ready for those. Or when a community is too disorganized to fight against a new government law that will harm the community (like a zoning law.) Those times you need someone to organize a community to fight back.
I don't see enough of a difference between protest groups and community organizers, they are both ****. And again, I have seen nothing worthwhile or positive about community organizers from any of the above, nothing that legitimate authorities could not handle.Greenpeace is more of an ecological protest group than a community activist group, and ACORN, I never looked that closely into their alleged scandals. I do think that you have very little idea what really helps a low-income community become better.
This is an unprecedented act, storing natural gas under a dense urban area in natural formations. The company was coming in right before christmas and trying to buy property rights without giving sufficient information about the dangers of what they were doing. It's not illegal, but it is certainly a hazard. You know nothing about the case, yet here you are making judgements about it.Ah, so ignoring property rights, fostering unnatural fears about a very rare statistical occurance, standing in the way of a perfectly legit business practice. So in other words, not a damn thing good here. There are legitimate authorities for this, not a bunch of scumbag "community organizers".
You don't consider yourself part of a community or neighborhood?"We", haha, no.
I don't see enough of a difference between protest groups and community organizers, they are both ****. And again, I have seen nothing worthwhile or positive about community organizers from any of the above, nothing that legitimate authorities could not handle.
No, it isn't. They are doing that in old salt domes not too far from the city I am in, and those things are less stable than the aquifers you are talking about, so far no major issues.This is an unprecedented act, storing natural gas under a dense urban area in natural formations.
That's called fraud and unfair business practices, we have legitimate people to deal with that, we don't need anyone not authorized to deal with things.The company was coming in right before christmas and trying to buy property rights without giving sufficient information about the dangers of what they were doing.
From everything so far, it's none of these "community organizers" business, they are acting as a defacto authority without any legitimate power.It's not illegal, but it is certainly a hazard. You know nothing about the case, yet here you are making judgements about it.
Sure, and we have elected officials and everything, we even have "community organizers" that make everything a pain in the ass, **** them and I hope they suffer.You don't consider yourself part of a community or neighborhood?
Again, where are you getting your information about what a community organizer does, exactly?
I do think that you have very little idea what really helps a low-income community become better.
Start by getting a job.
First off, why wouldn't you have a skillset that you can apply?We have somewhere around one in ten people unemployed. It's not that easy to go out and "get a job", when you don't have skills or experience needed to get anything above minimum wage.Well, there's always the option to go where the jobs are, oh, but that would require sacrifice, investing in yourself, and initiative.......which actually requires work instead of going to a government office with hand out.You also have to consider people in these areas who do have jobs often have very low quality jobs, and are more likely to have issues transporting to anywhere with a good job market.
Why would you? If you haven't worked very much, didn't get a good high school education, haven't been to college, or gone to a trade school, what skills do you expect people to have?First off, why wouldn't you have a skillset that you can apply?
Well, there's always the option to go where the jobs are, oh, but that would require sacrifice, investing in yourself, and initiative.......which actually requires work instead of going to a government office with hand out.
So, don't prepare for life and pass it on to someone else huh? Sounds like a personal failure = personal problem situation to me.Why would you? If you haven't worked very much, didn't get a good high school education, haven't been to college, or gone to a trade school, what skills do you expect people to have?
I don't see how you get that from anything I've said, I don't have a problem with people who are truly unfortunate, but if someone ****s their own life up it is their responsibility to fix it and no one else's. Community organizers don't fix problems, they simply shift the burden to actual producers and wreak havoc. Again, **** them and there is a special place in hell for them.Your hatred and biases against the general population below the poverty line makes this conversation impossible. When your default assumption is "poor people are lazy leeches", you're too biased to listen to anything.
So, don't prepare for life and pass it on to someone else huh? Sounds like a personal failure = personal problem situation to me.
I don't see how you get that from anything I've said, I don't have a problem with people who are truly unfortunate, but if someone ****s their own life up it is their responsibility to fix it and no one else's. Community organizers don't fix problems, they simply shift the burden to actual producers and wreak havoc. Again, **** them and there is a special place in hell for them.
So in this conversation we're talking bout low-income communities in general...
"Well, there's always the option to go where the jobs are, oh, but that would require sacrifice, investing in yourself, and initiative.......which actually requires work instead of going to a government office with hand out."
You just automatically assume that they're all going to go get a "handout" because they don't want to work. You have no idea what you're talking about, as many of these programs help you find a job while you're on them, or help train you. Remember, welfare was replaced with workfare in the 90's, not that most conservatives have noticed.
And I want to say there's been other threads where you've said similar things, but I'm not up for trekking around looking for them.
I do ask, where are you getting your information on what a community organizer does?
First off, why wouldn't you have a skillset that you can apply?
Crappy schools.
Okay, examples we can discuss? What do they specifically do that is beneficial? Keep in mind by beneficial I mean to society, not something that might screw me over to benefit someone else, or other things that are of questionable benefit and that others may not provide.
Oh see, that's makes me feel better.:roll: Seriously, I can't think of anything these groups do for society that produces any kind of net positive.The provide LOTS and LOTS of jobs.*
*For themselves and their relatives. LOL.
Thank god! I thought it was the Reverend Al Green for a second, I just can't see him doing anything bad to anybody.
Same here at first.I thought it was the singer Al Greene
I thought it was the singer Al Greene
So did the voters. Boy were they surprised.