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New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

KeeKee said:
I keep hearing that this all needs left to state, local and charities where it is suppose to be handled. If that is so true then my question is why haven't the state, local and charities already handled this? Why have they dropped the ball so badly that the government has an opening to step in?
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The GOP has suggested a new alternative to HCR, bartering with chickens for medical services.
 
Catawba said:
The GOP has suggested a new alternative to HCR, bartering with chickens for medical services.
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Well, one silly person (Sue Lowden). Not the entire GOP. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
Just thought we needed her name. She is somewhat challenged. ;)
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While Lowden was previously in the lead in her election bid, I would be willing to bet a few chickens this proposal of hers is not going to help her campaign! ;)
 
KeeKee said:
I keep hearing that this all needs left to state, local and charities where it is suppose to be handled. If that is so true then my question is why haven't the state, local and charities already handled this? Why have they dropped the ball so badly that the government has an opening to step in?

Why have private insurance companies used predator practices so heavily that it is fast coming to a point that only the middle rich can buy their product? The upper rich don't need it they have the money to pay out of pocket.
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The Federal Govt. creates crisises not solves them. It is you that believes what you are told by the Federal Govt. The Federal Govt. makes it worse, not better. There isn't a Fedearl Program out there that doesn't cost more than it was supposed to cost, do what it was supposed to do, solved a problem, and then disappeared.

Trillions have been spent on the Great Society, has that solved any of the problems it was supposed to address?

You and others seem to have a very poor understanding of personal responsibility. No govt, state, local, or Federal can solve personal responsibility issues but it the local and state govts. closer to the situation that is better served to help. Were it not for states and local govts, the problems would be much worse than they are today.

The healthcare problem isn't nearly as big as you think and have been told. Do you have health insurance? Predatory pricings? Do you even know what predatory means? What are the true costs of healthcare? No one has defined those costs and how much the govt. adds to the cost so before blaming insurance companies at least you ought to have some facts to back up your contention.

We currently have a 3.8 TRILLION Dollar govt. Do you know how much a trillion is? We have a 13 trillion dollar debt and are adding to it every day. Most of that debt is due to social engineering by the govt. yet because you don't feel it, it doesn't concern you. It should because it will concern you in the future.
 
Conservative said:
The healthcare problem isn't nearly as big as you think and have been told. Do you have health insurance? Predatory pricings? Do you even know what predatory means? What are the true costs of healthcare? No one has defined those costs and how much the govt. adds to the cost so before blaming insurance companies at least you ought to have some facts to back up your contention.
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Fact: 47 million people in this wealthy and powerful country—including 8.7 million children—have no health coverage at all.

Fact: More than one-third of people who have insurance worry about losing it.

Fact: Insurance and drug companies are making stunning profits. Health insurance CEOs averaged $8.7 million in 2006 compensation and pharmaceutical company CEOs pulled down an average of $4.4 million.

More facts: http://www.aflcio.org/issues/healthcare/facts_hot.cfm
 
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CriticalThought said:
Fact: 47 million people in this wealthy and powerful country—including 8.7 million children—have no health coverage at all.

Fact: More than one-third of people who have insurance worry about losing it.

Fact: Insurance and drug companies are making stunning profits. Health insurance CEOs averaged $8.7 million in 2006 compensation and pharmaceutical company CEOs pulled down an average of $4.4 million.

More facts: Health Care Facts: Hot Facts
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AFLCIO? LOL, come one, break down the numbers, how many can afford insurance but CHOOSE not to purchase it. Is choice only an issue when it comes to abortion? How many are rich and CHOOSE not to purchase it? How many are illegals that really aren't eligible for it. Stop buying the rhetoric and get U.S. Census data. The true number is about 10% and the fact remains health insurance is a personal responsibility, not a federal taxpayer responsibility.
 
Conservative said:
The true number is about 10% and the fact remains health insurance is a personal responsibility, not a federal taxpayer responsibility.
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You mean a federal taxpayer liability when people who can't afford health insurance end up in the emergency room and it ends up costing all of us in the end.

If you want health care to be a privilege then maybe you should move to a different country. Americans overwhelmingly want at least basic health care to be available to all Americans. And that means it is cheaper and wiser to provide for those who can't get insurance for themselves.

I hear there are lots of third world nations which support your particular brand of conservative ideology.
 
CriticalThought said:
You mean a federal taxpayer liability when people who can't afford health insurance end up in the emergency room and it ends up costing all of us in the end.

If you want health care to be a privilege then maybe you should move to a different country. Americans overwhelmingly want at least basic health care to be available to all Americans. And that means it is cheaper and wiser to provide for those who can't get insurance for themselves.

I hear there are lots of third world nations which support your particular brand of conservative ideology.
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Why is that a Federal Taxpayer responsibility and not local responsibility?

Actually you would be better served living in a different country where you can get cradle to grave coverage, make less money, and pay higher taxes.

Your liberal ideology has bankrupted a lot of countries and is now working on this one. Congratulations, you got your man in the WH. This empty suit community organizer couldn't be further from the basics upon which this country was built. The vast majority in this country don't agree with yours or his vision so maybe you both ought to leave.
 
Conservative said:
Why is that a Federal Taxpayer responsibility and not local responsibility?

Actually you would be better served living in a different country where you can get cradle to grave coverage, make less money, and pay higher taxes.

Your liberal ideology has bankrupted a lot of countries and is now working on this one. Congratulations, you got your man in the WH. This empty suit community organizer couldn't be further from the basics upon which this country was built. The vast majority in this country don't agree with yours or his vision so maybe you both ought to leave.
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My vision for America was a public option. That wasn't Obama's vision and my vision was supported by a not only a majority of Americans but by a majority of doctors, nurses, and economists. So if you want to pull out the ol' ad populum argument after I spanked you with it for several posts once before, then feel free. We can play that game again.

I didn't get my vision for America and you didn't get yours, so I guesss we are equally unhappy.
 
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CriticalThought said:
My vision for America was a public option. That wasn't Obama's vision and my vision was supported by a not only a majority of Americans but by a majority of doctors, nurses, and economists. So if you want to pull out the ol' ad populum argument after I spanked you with it for several posts once before, then feel free. We can play that game again.

I didn't get my vision for America and you didn't get yours, so I guesss we are equally unhappy.
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If you are an example of the education system in this country today then we really are in a mess. This country wasn't built on your vision but it was built on mine. Unfortunately we have a leftwing in this country which wants to undo that original intent of our founders and they have people like you supporting them. What a shame! The truly educated elite have no education at all but worse they have no concept of personal responsibility, individual wealth creation, and the reality that some people are going to fail. Like far too many you have yours so basically the hell with everyone else who will become dependent on the taxpayers for their own existence, and it is politicians that will administer those tax dollars in a way that they keep their job instead of doing their job.

This country and no other country can fund your vision without destroying the economy. Countries all over Europe are rejecting your vision but it does seem that arrogance of a liberal has no bounds. Never have I seen a liberal accept failure even though every liberal program has failed. they cost more than intended, do less than intended, never solve a problem and always grow in size. you got "your" President and the American people are waking up. Hopefully not too late.
 
Conservative said:
If you are an example of the education system in this country today then we really are in a mess. This country wasn't built on your vision but it was built on mine. Unfortunately we have a leftwing in this country which wants to undo that original intent of our founders and they have people like you supporting them. What a shame! The truly educated elite have no education at all but worse they have no concept of personal responsibility, individual wealth creation, and the reality that some people are going to fail. Like far too many you have yours so basically the hell with everyone else who will become dependent on the taxpayers for their own existence, and it is politicians that will administer those tax dollars in a way that they keep their job instead of doing their job.

This country and no other country can fund your vision without destroying the economy. Countries all over Europe are rejecting your vision but it does seem that arrogance of a liberal has no bounds. Never have I seen a liberal accept failure even though every liberal program has failed. they cost more than intended, do less than intended, never solve a problem and always grow in size. you got "your" President and the American people are waking up. Hopefully not too late.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell it to Costa Rica, Canada, and many other countries around the world.
 
Conservative said:
This country wasn't built on your vision but it was built on mine.
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Such arrogance...

I'll say it again only this time publicly...

If you really feel that this country has gone to hell in a hand basket, you should either run for public office and do everything you can to invoke your brand of politics or leave. It really is just that simple.
 
CriticalThought said:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell it to Costa Rica, Canada, and many other countries around the world.
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Yeah, yeah, millions of people are trying to get into Costa Rica because it is such a utopia. Why not make it millions plus one?

You do not understand personal responsibility and what made this the greatest country on earth.
 
Objective Voice said:
Such arrogance...

I'll say it again only this time publicly...

If you really feel that this country has gone to hell in a hand basket, you should either run for public office and do everything you can to invoke your brand of politics or leave. It really is just that simple.
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I don't have to run for public office as I live in TX, the best move I ever made in my life. It is one of the few states with rising employment and conservative values.

the people of TX understand personal responsibility. Obama lost TX by over a million votes. Thanks for the suggestion but I will stay here.
 
Conservative said:
You do not understand personal responsibility and what made this the greatest country on earth.
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Stealing millions of miles of land from natives and slave labor? Not getting involved in two world wars until Europe had bombed the hell out of itself?

Funny, your vision of an America of personal responsibilty is rather idealistic.
 
CriticalThought said:
Stealing millions of miles of land from natives and slave labor? Not getting involved in two world wars until Europe had bombed the hell out of itself?

Funny, your vision of an America of personal responsibilty is rather idealistic.
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My vision of America took care of my family and allowed me to prosper due to my own efforts. Yours is one of another less productive, less profitable one. Don't know who is filling your head with this distorted view of America but I am done with you. One of these days you will grow up, I did.
 
Conservative said:
My vision of America took care of my family and allowed me to prosper due to my own efforts. Yours is one of another less productive, less profitable one. Don't know who is filling your head with this distorted view of America but I am done with you. One of these days you will grow up, I did.
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Funny, I like your assumption that an America that offers more options in the market is a less profitable and productive one.

If growing up means ignoring large aspects of American history to embrace a narrow ideology, then call me Peter Pan.
 
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CriticalThought said:
Funny, I like your assumption that an America that offers more options in the market is a less profitable and productive one.

If growing up means ignoring large aspects of American history to embrace a narrow ideology, then call me Peter Pan.
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America has the greatest option of all, the ability to be the best you can be, to be whatever you want to be, to prosper, create individual wealth, and an equal opportunity to succeed.

Yours is a world without incentive, without creativity, without individual responsibility. I do feel sorry for people like you but that doesn't last very long. You deserve the kind of govt. you want and the kind of life you live. Yours is one of spreading liberal misery equally to everyone else, yours is one of spending in the name of compassion, keeping everyone dependent, and thus never getting any compassionate results.
 
Conservative said:
America has the greatest option of all, the ability to be the best you can be, to be whatever you want to be, to prosper, create individual wealth, and an equal opportunity to succeed.
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Funny, having a public option in no way detracts from that ideal. If anything, it enhances it by creating more opportunity.

America is land where people should be motivated to succeed, not to just survive.
 
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CriticalThought said:
Funny, having a public option in no way detracts from that ideal. If anything, it enhances it by creating more opportunity.

America is land where people should be motivated to succeed, not to just survive.
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What country do you live in if you don't believe that the people of this country have the motivation to succeed? That has always been the principles in this country, at least until recently. If there are no consequences for failure where is the incentive to succeed?

You better do some research regarding the public option, where is the incentive for business to grow and develop new drugs and medical procedures? You really aren't that naive to believe that the public option creates incentive for businesses when it has to be run by the govt.?

Having a public option does nothing but grow the size and control of govt. Private industry can do that on their own given the proper incentives. If you truly want to cut healthcare costs, not just what people pay, then you have to identify all costs first. The govt. has no interest in doing that because it is the government that adds to those costs.
 
Conservative said:
What country do you live in if you don't believe that the people of this country have the motivation to succeed? That has always been the principles in this country, at least until recently. If there are no consequences for failure where is the incentive to succeed?
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If I live in a country where people are just trying to get by from paycheck to paycheck and they are one illness away from being bankrupt despite years of hard work. I don't know what fantasy country you live in.

You better do some research regarding the public option, where is the incentive for business to grow and develop new drugs and medical procedures? You really aren't that naive to believe that the public option creates incentive for businesses when it has to be run by the govt.?
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Let me get this straight. The private sector is so weak that if the government had a public insurance option that people could select among the private options that are available, then businesses would stagnate and die and all research would come to a halt? Muahaahahahahaha! You gotta be kidding.

Having a public option does nothing but grow the size and control of govt.
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Actually, it would probably slow the grow of government substantially. It would eventually consolidate many of the expenses that the government has and thus reduce its need for involvement. Rather than an expanse of goverment power, a public option would be a consolidation of it.

Private industry can do that on their own given the proper incentives. If you truly want to cut healthcare costs, not just what people pay, then you have to identify all costs first. The govt. has no interest in doing that because it is the government that adds to those costs.
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You don't know what all the costs are? Have you been asleep for the last year?
 
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