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New health insurance requirement.....was a GOP idea

Met with my wife's cancer doctor on Monday and he expressed what I have been stating all along, more doctors are going to stop taking Medicare and Medicaid patients because of govt. regulations and lower payments.

Does this law lower Medicare & Medicaid payments?

Remember, doctors can be ignorant too. That urologist who wants to refuse patients who voted for Obama? He was spouting total falsehoods about the law. He then admitted he doesn't really know whats in it - except what he reads on the internet. :roll:

Wait a while and see what doctors really do when reality trickles out.
 
now wait a minute. every poll among providers indicates that the supply is going to shrink. the incentives offered to providers by the government are going to be negative. how in the world does reducing the supply of providers lower cost and increase availability?

cp, Boo will tell you that the supply is going to go up due to the incentive the govt. will provide to get people to go into the profession. I wonder if the govt. will use taxpayer dollars to suppliment their pay too after they cut reimbursement rates for Medicare and the states reduce reimbursement rates for Medicaid.

There is a doctor shortage right now and it is going to get worse when 30 million more people are added to the roles. Over burdened ER's now are going to get worse as those newly insured still cannot find a doctor.
 
Every country has the same problem, medical cost cant be controlled because there is a dynmanic in there cant cant be harnassed.

We live to long
new medicine cost more, not less
medical procedures and tools powered by computers are expensive, not cheaper
training is expensive
Hospital patience needs 24 hour care
capitalist countries encourage or accept that such companies make a healthy profit. The skys the limit isnt it?

The only thing the state can do and will do is to push the financial responsibility on us consumers!
 
Every country has the same problem, medical cost cant be controlled because there is a dynmanic in there cant cant be harnassed.

We live to long
new medicine cost more, not less
medical procedures and tools powered by computers are expensive, not cheaper
training is expensive
Hospital patience needs 24 hour care
capitalist countries encourage or accept that such companies make a healthy profit. The skys the limit isnt it?

The only thing the state can do and will do is to push the financial responsibility on us consumers!

There is nothing in this healthcare bill that improves the quality or quantity of healthcare nor does it do anything to lower the costs of healthcare. Too many people ignore the true cost of healthcare and equate that cost to what they pay. That isn't the cost of healthcare. Govt. mandates lower consumer costs but does nothing to lower the cost healthcare companies have to pay which are always passed on to the consumer.
 
now wait a minute. every poll among providers indicates that the supply is going to shrink. the incentives offered to providers by the government are going to be negative. how in the world does reducing the supply of providers lower cost and increase availability?

Poll? You mean opinion? Any evidence other than opinion?

As for incentive, no provider is going to quit to something that pays even less. And incentive has been provided to encourage more providers. I linked at least one doctor saying it was a net gain. And the news article showed why, making it more then opinion.
 
No he won't get out of the business but he won't be accepting Medicare and Medicaid patients. Think, man, think. You aren't nearly as smart as you think.

The op ed piece doesn't take into affect human behavior at all. Typical liberal theory that trumps reality and facts.

Some don't do that now, not much change. But as I understand it, there is actually less reason today with reform than without it. We'll see.
 
Some don't do that now, not much change. But as I understand it, there is actually less reason today with reform than without it. We'll see.

Medicare reimbursement rates weren't cut nor were costs passed on to the Medicaid expense at the state levels which are going to require cuts there as well.

Yes, we shall see, problem is it will be too late. Why is it consequences never play any role in the liberal agenda?
 
Medicare reimbursement rates weren't cut nor were costs passed on to the Medicaid expense at the state levels which are going to require cuts there as well.

Yes, we shall see, problem is it will be too late. Why is it consequences never play any role in the liberal agenda?

Maybe I am ignorant of the context of this comment...but if Medciare reimbursement was not cut, what is this so-called "doc fix" we keep hearing about?
 
Maybe I am ignorant of the context of this comment...but if Medciare reimbursement was not cut, what is this so-called "doc fix" we keep hearing about?

The so called "doctor fix" is an addition to the cost of the heathcare bill what was omitted initially when scored by the CBO. It was designed to offset the Medicare cuts that doctors will receive but does nothing to offset the Medicaid cuts and it is a tax that doctors and all other business people will be paying therefore not a net cut in physcian costs at all. In addition it does nothing to increase the number of doctors which is a serious problem now.
 
Maybe I am ignorant of the context of this comment...but if Medciare reimbursement was not cut, what is this so-called "doc fix" we keep hearing about?
The so called 'doc fix' dates back to 1997 when Congress changed the formula for reimbursing doctors under Medicare. Every year Congress has adjusted the limitations. It was going to be done, reform or no reform.

This was played up by the Republicans when Paul Ryan(R - WI) requested that the CBO calculate the cost of health care reform with the 'doc fix' included. Of course that inflated the perceived cost of the bill, which was the purpose of Ryan's request. But the fact that the doctor Medicare pay reimbursement formula adjustment was going to be passed anyway was conveniently left out during the attacks on the bill.

Did you notice if any of the Republican plans included the cost of the 'doc fix' in them? No they didn't. Why? Because no Democrat requested that the CBO score them with the 'doc fix' in them as Ryan had done with the health care bill. The CBO would have done so, all you have to do is request it.
 
The so called "doctor fix" is an addition to the cost of the heathcare bill what was omitted initially when scored by the CBO. It was designed to offset the Medicare cuts that doctors will receive but does nothing to offset the Medicaid cuts and it is a tax that doctors and all other business people will be paying therefore not a net cut in physcian costs at all. In addition it does nothing to increase the number of doctors which is a serious problem now.

I know...I was being fecitious. I was sarcastically replying to the comment that I interpreted to be saying that doctor's reimbursements had not been cut by Obamacare.
 
The so called 'doc fix' dates back to 1997 when Congress changed the formula for reimbursing doctors under Medicare. Every year Congress has adjusted the limitations. It was going to be done, reform or no reform.

This was played up by the Republicans when Paul Ryan(R - WI) requested that the CBO calculate the cost of health care reform with the 'doc fix' included. Of course that inflated the perceived cost of the bill, which was the purpose of Ryan's request. But the fact that the doctor Medicare pay reimbursement formula adjustment was going to be passed anyway was conveniently left out during the attacks on the bill.

Did you notice if any of the Republican plans included the cost of the 'doc fix' in them? No they didn't. Why? Because no Democrat requested that the CBO score them with the 'doc fix' in them as Ryan had done with the health care bill. The CBO would have done so, all you have to do is request it.

Actually, the CBO did score Obamacare with the doc fix.

And, of course, no GOP plan had the doc fix included. There was no comprehensive GOP plan. As well, the GOP folks were not claiming the cut in reimbursements as a savings for Obamacare that would help Obamacare achieve a net deficit reduction.
 
Medicare reimbursement rates weren't cut nor were costs passed on to the Medicaid expense at the state levels which are going to require cuts there as well.

Yes, we shall see, problem is it will be too late. Why is it consequences never play any role in the liberal agenda?

No, it's too late if we do nothing. We've already seen with no need to wait the effect of doing nothing.
 
No, it's too late if we do nothing. We've already seen with no need to wait the effect of doing nothing.

It is never too late for people to take personal responsibility. You buy what the Obama Administration is telling you never once holding them responsible for lies.
 
It is never too late for people to take personal responsibility. You buy what the Obama Administration is telling you never once holding them responsible for lies.

As the bill calls for personal responsibility (having insurance), I don't dispute that. ;)
 
As the bill calls for personal responsibility (having insurance), I don't dispute that. ;)

NO, personal responsibility would be people CHOOSING what is right for them. Liberals want to define personal responsibility for others.

People choose not to buy insurance for various reasons. Many can afford the insurance whereas many more don't need insurance because they are so rich it is just a waste of money as they can pay their bills.

Liberal arrogance rears its ugly head again whereas liberals tell others what they should or should not do.

in the liberal world, only liberals control the power and everyone else is dependent on liberals. How is that hope and change working out for you?
 
NO, personal responsibility would be people CHOOSING what is right for them. Liberals want to define personal responsibility for others.

People choose not to buy insurance for various reasons. Many can afford the insurance whereas many more don't need insurance because they are so rich it is just a waste of money as they can pay their bills.

Liberal arrogance rears its ugly head again whereas liberals tell others what they should or should not do.

in the liberal world, only liberals control the power and everyone else is dependent on liberals. How is that hope and change working out for you?

No, a person can choose to be irresponsible. They would only be responsible if they choose to be responsible. When they don't, either they pay for it or we do. Without reform, we've been paying for it. Some people have been irresponsible and responsible people have had to pay for them for decades.
 
No, a person can choose to be irresponsible. They would only be responsible if they choose to be responsible. When they don't, either they pay for it or we do. Without reform, we've been paying for it. Some people have been irresponsible and responsible people have had to pay for them for decades.

You cannot legislate personal responsibility for if you could we wouldn't have any of our existing lawmakers in Congress.

We are going to pay for irresponsibility regardless of the bill. People aren't going to purchase insurance and will pay the fine. The insured will continue to use the ER's because of the doctor shortage or simply because of convenience so nothing changes here other than another entitlement program created. Thinking differently is naive.

Millions of Americans are rich and can afford to pay their medical bills. Why are they being forced to buy insurance?
 
You cannot legislate personal responsibility for if you could we wouldn't have any of our existing lawmakers in Congress.

We are going to pay for irresponsibility regardless of the bill. People aren't going to purchase insurance and will pay the fine. The insured will continue to use the ER's because of the doctor shortage or simply because of convenience so nothing changes here other than another entitlement program created. Thinking differently is naive.

Millions of Americans are rich and can afford to pay their medical bills. Why are they being forced to buy insurance?

But you can legislate requirements, like auto and health insurance, that protect the rest of us from paying for the irresponsible.

And no, we pay less so than we do now.
 
But you can legislate requirements, like auto and health insurance, that protect the rest of us from paying for the irresponsible.

And no, we pay less so than we do now.

Auto insurance protects you from someone else, not you. Keep ignoring the content of my post. Why should liberals demand that anyone pay for their own personal responsibility. If someone can afford insurance but doesn't have it, bill them and take everything they own. You don't need this POS to insure people who truly are incapable of funding their own.

Liberals are good at trying to legislation personal responsibility issues but have never been successful.

Now address the question, why is it the Government's responsibilty to tell rich people they have to buy insurance?
 
Auto insurance protects you from someone else, not you. Keep ignoring the content of my post. Why should liberals demand that anyone pay for their own personal responsibility. If someone can afford insurance but doesn't have it, bill them and take everything they own. You don't need this POS to insure people who truly are incapable of funding their own.

Liberals are good at trying to legislation personal responsibility issues but have never been successful.

Now address the question, why is it the Government's responsibilty to tell rich people they have to buy insurance?

Health insurance also protects us from someone else. We pay for the irresponsible, so when they have insurance, we are protected from them.

As for consequences, you're being too hyperbolic.
 
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