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McCain: Don't expect GOP cooperation on legislation for the rest of this year

reefedjib said:
Democrats did jack **** to "invite" Republicans to share ideas. They negotiated the bill among themselves, behind closed doors, and jammed it down our throats because they have the majority. That is not actions of the party of compromise. I don't blame the republicans at all. I would make sure to block the doc fix and expose the lack of a comprehensive healthcare bill.
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Give me one Republican tried to negotiate with the Democrats on the Health Care Bill in good faith. One.
 
the makeout hobo said:
I assume you have no issue with liberals using whatever legislative loopholes THEY need to get their agenda through if the opposition is acting like this.
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You can assume, but you know what they say about that...
 
disneydude said:
By whatever means necessary....right?
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That's good for an election, but when it actually comes to pushing legislation on the people with tyrranical zeal, no, there are rules to work within.

You just aren't very good at this.
 
the makeout hobo said:
I assume you have no issue with liberals using whatever legislative loopholes THEY need to get their agenda through if the opposition is acting like this.
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I assume you will have no problem after November when the Republicans use every legislative loophole to defund this POS... Right?

BTW….. Reconciliation will actually apply to de-funding this, imagine that! :lamo
 
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The Prof said:
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any other fantasies of yours you'd care to share?

the republicans are the party of loyal, principled opposition

when we see the president try to reform one sixth of our society by massively expanding medicare and medicaid, which we've all come to depend on, which are commonly known to be broke, with millions and millions of new enrollees while simultaneously cutting its funding half a tril...

when we see him declare that he can pay for two thirds of all this fata morgana by recovering monies lost thru waste, fraud and abuse...

when we see him replace the public option with a mandate on individuals---in the middle of a depression---to go out and buy a private product that can cost as much as some (subprimed) mortgage payments...

when we see him criminalize those who won't or can't conform...

when we see him attempt to impose drastic taxes on ENERGY, both production and consumption---in the middle of a depression...

when we see him ESCALATE the war in afghanistan just because he made it the centerpiece of his campaign's foreign policy, when the enemy we seek, al qaeda, are really in pakistan...

when we see him trying to reach out to holocaust denying haters in iran while they openly spit in his face...

when we see him played like a kabuki puppet by that master choreographer in china...

when we see him bail out every bogus bungler and badguy, every bagman, bankrupt and bum, with billions and billions of bankroll and obscene bonuses...

when we see him socialize the losses of the megacorps while privatizing their gains...

while doing squat for the little guy...

when we see him spend trillions of dollars that don't exist, hundreds of billions in squandered stimulus which he can't account for, which he can't explain to the american people and taxpayers...

when we see unemployment top ten percent and, the week after health care's passed, instead of exhibiting leadership on the only issue that matters most to mom and dad, the economy, he's instead out there STILL TRYING TO SELL his irrational raison d'etre, his own white whale, his health care, health care, health care...

when we see him promise to cut the deficit in half then propose a 2011 budget that borrows more than 10% of gdp...

when we see him mirandize a mutallab and attempt to try ksm before the likes of lance ito in downtown manhattan...

when we watch him, for crass and extremist political purposes, attempt to prosecute the career agents of the cia who flipped ksm and abu zubaydah...

etc

then, yes, when we see our president take actions so inimical to the interests of the american people and so contrary to their concerns, indeed, we must decisively, affirmatively and unambiguously sign on the dotted line of opposition

we simply can't in good principle condone such wrong minded policies

when america has had enough and is ready for a change, we are ready to assume leadership

it's pretty simple

why whine?

why fantasize?

lead, president obama, it's up to you to make opposition irrelevant

and don't forget, sir---fix this economy or you're done

pronto

you're already at least 6 months late

tick tock...
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Dav said:
I suspect he's just covering his butt here in regards to immigration reform, which is next on Congress's agenda.


But all this tallk of him "not doing his job" and "not representing his state" is stupid. He's up for re-election and will almost certainly win, and this statement probably won't have hurt him at all. Believe it or not, Congressmen don't have to vote "yes" on everything, and are completely allowed to vote "no" on everything if they want to. If their constitutents don't want that, they can vote that Congressman out. In McCain's case, they won't, probably because Arizona voters are just as disgusted with the Democrats after the whole health care shenanigans as McCain claims to be.


EDIT: He may be covering his butt on cap and trade as well, which he also supports.
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As an Arizona conservative, I can tell you that people are aware of McCains record and his tendancy to "go liberal" after election. I am looking closely at JD Hayworth as a more conservative option in the republican primary.
It might be premature to say that McCain is going to be reelected.
 
Ikari said:
Neither party is good at this point and neither serve as a check on the other. It's a broken system. The Republicans just have to sit on their asses and bitch right now and just wait till they get majority power back. At which point the Democrats can sit on their asses and bitch and just wait till they get majority power back....
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Hard to be voted back in when all you do is sit on the sidelines and pout. The Dems, at least, got something done.
 
cholla said:
As an Arizona conservative, I can tell you that people are aware of McCains record and his tendancy to "go liberal" after election. I am looking closely at JD Hayworth as a more conservative option in the republican primary.
It might be premature to say that McCain is going to be reelected.
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McCain is being foolish here. He is never going to win the hearts and minds of the far right. His best hope is to stay a maverick and show he still can cross the aisle and wield his influence. I think the electorate will go with someone that can actually make things happen. The only thing McCain is making happen with his current strategy is his retirement.
 
disneydude said:
I agree 100%. The Democrats could learn something from the Republicans and grow a spine. Standing in opposition is good. However, when it is on every single issue you lose credibility and simply become the party of NO.

The Republicans would garner a little more respect if they would pick and choose their battles rather than simply opposing everything.
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Be more likley to happen if most everything proposed by the Dems didn't involve spending boatloads of money.
 
cholla said:
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Be more likley to happen if most everything proposed by the Dems didn't involve spending boatloads of money.
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Dems worked with the Repubs when the Repubs wanted to spend boat loads of money....
 
upsideguy said:
Dems worked with the Repubs when the Repubs wanted to spend boat loads of money....
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yea...its funny. Those crying the loudest about Obama....sat on their asses while GWB drove this country to the brink of bankruptcy. Somehow their newly found "concern" seems a little disengenous.
 
disneydude said:
yea...its funny. Those crying the loudest about Obama....sat on their asses while GWB drove this country to the brink of bankruptcy. Somehow their newly found "concern" seems a little disengenous.
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More likely learned their lesson. Democrats are historically the big spenders of our money.
 
Bassman said:
More likely learned their lesson. Democrats are historically the big spenders of our money.
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Seriously doubt they have learned their lessons. They are getting schooled right now and don't get it.

BTW, it is interesting that the economy and stock market have historically done better under Democratic presidents.
 
disneydude said:
yea...its funny. Those crying the loudest about Obama....sat on their asses while GWB drove this country to the brink of bankruptcy. Somehow their newly found "concern" seems a little disengenous.
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Yea...its funny. Those that cried the loudest about Bush....sit on their asses now as Obama dwarfs Bush as he pushes us over the brink into bankruptcy. Somehow their newly found "understanding" seems a little disengenous.
 
upsideguy said:
Dems worked with the Repubs when the Repubs wanted to spend boat loads of money....
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Of couse there is no way to prove this, but I think that part of this tea party mentality sweeping the country is that people have woken up and are now paying attention, spending may have been bad under Repubs, but under this Dem president it is unbelievable.
Saying that it has always been this way is a cop out, spending has to change from the status quo and Obama is not doing it.
 
Glinda said:
I feel certain that most voters in Arizona want their representatives in Congress to, y'know, represent them. Yet, Mr. McCain's stated plan of action is full and complete non-cooperation, fully divorcing himself from the job the taxpayers pay him to do. Wonder how that will fly with his constituents?

And what about the rules of Congress? Shouldn't a member of Congress who outright refuses to engage in the business of Congress be kicked to the curb?

I am reminded when John McCain decided to quit his campaign to run to Washington and fix the economy, because "the fundamentals of America’s economy are strong." :doh Quitting seems to be a theme with Mr. McCain and his Republican colleagues.


Jesus. Can you imagine this whiny, temper-tantrum-throwing, do-nothing pinhead as POTUS? :shock:
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As of November 4, 2008, what John McCain wants became irrelevant. His threat, just like his running mate's skull, is empty. Leave to a rightie to double down on a failed strategy. Thank gawd that creepy old fart and his bubble headed wacko second got their asses handed to them.
 
disneydude said:
yea...its funny. Those crying the loudest about Obama....sat on their asses while GWB drove this country to the brink of bankruptcy. Somehow their newly found "concern" seems a little disengenous.
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How much longer do you think you guys can keep running against Bush?
 
jallman said:
How much longer do you think you guys can keep running against Bush?
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It's not running, it's pointing out some perceived hypocrisy. I, for one, have criticized Obama plenty, because on most issues he's been Bush III. However, I'm not in the majority there. Pretty much everyone looks the other way when people they agree with are doing bad things.
 
Deuce said:
It's not running, it's pointing out some perceived hypocrisy.
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No, it's the same old song and dance we've been hearing since the primaries got in full swing for the 08 election. "B-b-b-but Bush did it!"


I, for one, have criticized Obama plenty,
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Do you want a cookie?

because on most issues he's been Bush III.
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No, he has not.

However, I'm not in the majority there. Pretty much everyone looks the other way when people they agree with are doing bad things.
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I think it's more of a team thing than it is an individual person thing.
 
Glinda said:
I feel certain that most voters in Arizona want their representatives in Congress to, y'know, represent them. Yet, Mr. McCain's stated plan of action is full and complete non-cooperation, fully divorcing himself from the job the taxpayers pay him to do. Wonder how that will fly with his constituents?
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Why do you think that opposing The Obama's/Pelosi's/Reid's agenda isnt what their constituents want?

And what about the rules of Congress? Shouldn't a member of Congress who outright refuses to engage in the business of Congress be kicked to the curb?
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On what grounds?
And, how does oppsing the opposition not qualify as 'the business of congress'?

Jesus. Can you imagine this whiny, temper-tantrum-throwing, do-nothing pinhead as POTUS?
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Well, yes -- after all, The Obama is President, and He's far worse in this (and every other) regard than JMcC.
 
Glinda said:
Their jobs.
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This is the job of a congressman, per Lee Hamilton - whoever the heck he is.
Big whoop.

People are elected to Congress to represent their constituents.
There's absolutely nothing in that which requires said electee to 'play along' with the opposition in order for them to to that job.
 
Glinda said:
I feel certain that most voters in Arizona want their representatives in Congress to, y'know, represent them. Yet, Mr. McCain's stated plan of action is full and complete non-cooperation, fully divorcing himself from the job the taxpayers pay him to do. Wonder how that will fly with his constituents?

And what about the rules of Congress? Shouldn't a member of Congress who outright refuses to engage in the business of Congress be kicked to the curb?

I am reminded when John McCain decided to quit his campaign to run to Washington and fix the economy, because "the fundamentals of America’s economy are strong." :doh Quitting seems to be a theme with Mr. McCain and his Republican colleagues.


Jesus. Can you imagine this whiny, temper-tantrum-throwing, do-nothing pinhead as POTUS? :shock:
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john who???
 
Gina said:
They went into public service to serve their constituents.
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No... to represent their constituents in congress.

For whatever reason - and one can easily guess that reason - the Dems/liberals cannot understand how opposing the Dem agenda could possibly be considered representing those constituents.

Even when the Democrats were sorely put out in 2000, they still engaged in the governance of the country. Obama won by decent margin. I can't imagine what Republicans would do had Obama been put in office by the Supreme Court.
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This denotes a deep, deep ignorance of the facts.

Elections have consequences. For Pete's sake, y'all need to learn to deal with that.
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I'm sure you said that very thing in 2004, that the dems shoudl lie down and give GWB what he wanted.
 
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