• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

McCain: Don't expect GOP cooperation on legislation for the rest of this year

25% was rounding up:

?Conservatives? Are Single-Largest Ideological Group

Now, you could argue that many people misuse those labels, but I don't see why that would apply more to one side than to the other.

Note, however, how stable the numbers are. The fluctuations are very slight.

thank you

but we might want to stop and consider whether all these people are really conservatives

i mean, just because they say they are

after all, who are they to judge?

LOL!
 
i got news for some of you

it's the DEMOCRATS who are gonna say NO to president pie-in-the-face for the rest of his term

you really think he's gonna get these people to follow him over another cliff

after all he's put them thru

you've forgotten the town halls, these poor partisans got ripped apart in public

the unmistakable meanings of virginia and massachusetts and new jersey

the retirements of bayh and conrad

the poll numbers so abysmal in the house, senate, gubs, assemblies...

things like---mr corbett leads all dems IN PENNSYVLANIA (!!!) by---are you sitting---margins like TWENTY PLUS points

that's revolutionary, folks

not spin

do you KNOW pennsylvania?

how can you be so silly not to see things as HUGE as republicans leading in races for HARRISBURG and LANSING by TWENTY PLUS POINTS

you really think he's gonna get these folks (in the SENATE---LOL!) to go along with CAP AND TRADE?!

that's ridiculous, you absolutely do not know these people

you really need to LISTEN more, ARGUE less

cuz you're missing so much of the BIG STUFF

what, MOVING KSM TO MANHATTAN AGAIN?

they're gonna follow him on that?

what, something in the area of education?

if it's left of mike ross---forget about it

if it's left of john mccain---forget about it

that's across the board, sorry

WHAT'S HIS FOREIGN POLICY?

WHAT'S HIS POLICY PERTAINING TO IRAN?

can you answer a direct question?

it's ok, HE CAN'T

he has NO foreign policy beyond his ESCALATION in afghanistan

climate accords, sanctions, trade with china, no nukes...

what happened to the REACHOUT

his positions concerning TERRORISM are more convoluted than a pretzel

a pusillanimous pretzel

he's gonna try these here and those there, until he changes his mind, he's gonna whisk off em off to miranda land but they're sure to be executed, don't you worry about that...

i'm so sorry to tell you, but he has SHOT HIS WAD

he's got his LEGACY, it better WORK, cuz he's gonna have to LIVE with it

and NOTHING ELSE

HE WILL NEVER GET HIS PARTY TO FOLLOW HIM ON ANYTHING OF REAL SIGNIFICANCE UNLESS IT IS SOMETHING JOHN MCCAIN COULD SUPPORT

that's the lay of the land, folks

and i think YOU TOO have forgotten about THE ECONOMY

HE SURE HAS

fix this economy, president obama, immediately

we, with the american people overwhelmingly and intensely behind us, will overturn your health care when you're gone
 
Last edited:
I feel certain that most voters in Arizona want their representatives in Congress to, y'know, represent them. Yet, Mr. McCain's stated plan of action is full and complete non-cooperation, fully divorcing himself from the job the taxpayers pay him to do. Wonder how that will fly with his constituents?

And what about the rules of Congress? Shouldn't a member of Congress who outright refuses to engage in the business of Congress be kicked to the curb?

I am reminded when John McCain decided to quit his campaign to run to Washington and fix the economy, because "the fundamentals of America’s economy are strong." :doh Quitting seems to be a theme with Mr. McCain and his Republican colleagues.


Jesus. Can you imagine this whiny, temper-tantrum-throwing, do-nothing pinhead as POTUS? :shock:

Goes to show you that some things never change. LMAO.
 
So how did that whole Hastert health care reform bill work out?

He spoke of working with Democrats wanting health care reform but here is his actual record
http://www.ontheissues.org/IL/Denny_Hastert.htm
* Voted YES on denying non-emergency treatment for lack of Medicare co-pay. (Feb 2006)
* Voted YES on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003)
* Voted NO on allowing reimportation of prescription drugs. (Jul 2003)
* Voted YES on small business associations for buying health insurance. (Jun 2003)
* Voted YES on allowing suing HMOs, but under federal rules & limited award. (Aug 2001)
* Voted YES on subsidizing private insurance for Medicare Rx drug coverage. (Jun 2000)
* Voted YES on establishing tax-exempt Medical Savings Accounts. (Oct 1999)
* Rated 0% by APHA, indicating a anti-public health voting record.

I guess he can tell the media one thing and then do something entirely different.
 
Last edited:
So how did that whole Hastert health care reform bill work out?

He spoke of working with Democrats wanting health care reform but here is his actual record
Denny Hastert on the Issues


I guess he can tell the media one thing and then do something entirely different.

He voted on health related issues he supports.
Just because he didn't vote the way you want, doesn't mean he didn't want to work with them.

How does that quantify as being anti public on health related issues?
 
Let's see, the Democrats still have majorities in both houses of Congress and the presidency. They don't need the Republican members for anything at all. The only reason this would be a problem for the Democrats is if they aren't able to enforce party discipline, which isn't a GOP problem in the slightest.

As to McCain himself -- he's a politician through and through. If he thought this would hurt his chances in Arizona there's no way he'd say this.
 
So pretty much they're going to continue to behave as nothing more than obstructionists as they have pretty much done the entire time since Obama got elected....K, is that really news?

Exactly. Who expected anything out of them anyways? I think they just as well take a vacation. We're better off without 'em anyways.

Who cares? Who need's 'em? :rofl
 
I'd say he was doing his job by doing everything he could to prevent the health care bill from being passed. He was standing up for the multitudes of people who didn't want the bill to pass many of whom played a role in electing him.
 
I'd say he was doing his job by doing everything he could to prevent the health care bill from being passed. He was standing up for the multitudes of people who didn't want the bill to pass many of whom played a role in electing him.

Just like when McCain interrupted his campaigning to go to Washington DC to support Bush for the first stimulus bailout. He was standing up for the multitudes of working people who wanted to fill the pockets of Wall Street.
 
Just like when McCain interrupted his campaigning to go to Washington DC to support Bush for the first stimulus bailout. He was standing up for the multitudes of working people who wanted to fill the pockets of Wall Street.

Bingo - Give this poster a cigar. He nailed it. Of course, when McCain supported the first stimulus bailout, the president had an R after his name.
 
Just like when McCain interrupted his campaigning to go to Washington DC to support Bush for the first stimulus bailout. He was standing up for the multitudes of working people who wanted to fill the pockets of Wall Street.
I'll assume you meant the multitudes of people who wanted to prevent a financial collapse.
 
If he doesn't want to do his job, go home. Same for everyone else. Glinda, that job description seems proper and what they should be doing.
You mean tow the Liberal party line, doncha?? After all that is your very definition of "bipartisanship"
 
So pretty much they're going to continue to behave as nothing more than obstructionists as they have pretty much done the entire time since Obama got elected....K, is that really news?
Nothing wrong with that! someone has to oppose Odimwit and his willing minions.
 
Just like when McCain interrupted his campaigning to go to Washington DC to support Bush for the first stimulus bailout. He was standing up for the multitudes of working people who wanted to fill the pockets of Wall Street.

And how did that bailout work out for us?
 
I believe there were some very happy families with very healthy bonuses.
I know, companies actually paying their executives, it's horrible. (/sarcasm)

Would you prefer an economic collapse to executives being paid? I didn't think so.
 
Last edited:
Spoken by a supporter of one party rule.

Actually, if I could have it my way, we would have at least 3-5 parties relatively equal in size. They would be FORCED to work together and collaborate.

One thing for sure. Today's GOP is as worthless as tits on a bore hog.

They might as well stay home. Why even show up to work if you don't plan to, like, work. They get paid anyways. They can't/won't change with the will of the country. So stay home. See if I care.

Like it or not. America is going to progress. It's kinda hard to turn around a big ship.

I feeling pretty positive about America's future here lately. I still believe in the USA. And the fish are really starting to bite, too. It's win-win in my neck of the woods.

I wanna buy me an old "America: Love it or leave it" bumper sticker.

I want the GOP to either lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.

I would dump my newfound respect for SOME of the democrat ideals in a split second if I could have my old GOP back. But, right now, I'd just as soon let Rush, Glenn, and Sean have it. I am starting to think it is damaged beyond repair. :( So now, we got a one party system. They better make their hay while the sun shines. Nothing lasts forever in politics.
 
Last edited:
Actually, if I could have it my way, we would have at least 3-5 parties relatively equal in size. They would be FORCED to work together and collaborate.

One thing for sure. Today's GOP is as worthless as tits on a bore hog.

They might as well stay home. Why even show up to work if you don't plan to, like, work. They get paid anyways. They can't/won't change with the will of the country. So stay home. See if I care.

Like it or not. America is going to progress. It's kinda hard to turn around a big ship.

I feeling pretty positive about America's future here lately. I still believe in the USA. And the fish are really starting to bite, too. It's win-win in my neck of the woods.

I wanna buy me an old "America: Love it or leave it" bumper sticker.

I want the GOP to either lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.

I would dump my newfound respect for SOME of the democrat ideals in a split second if I could have my old GOP back. But, right now, I'd just as soon let Rush, Glenn, and Sean have it. I am starting to think it is damaged beyond repair. :( So now, we got a one party syatem. They better make their hay while the sun shines. Nothing lasts forever in politics.
Well, we who have more common sense have seen what one party Demo-Rat rule has done to all of the major urban areas where the only choices were "What flavor Democrat would you like this time??"
 
Well, we who have more common sense have seen what one party Demo-Rat rule has done to all of the major urban areas where the only choices were "What flavor Democrat would you like this time??"

A good solution to that would be to like, round all you guys up, and give you Rhode Island. You could have your own little paradise.

Hey, I'm cool with that.
 
A good solution to that would be to like, round all you guys up, and give you Rhode Island. You could have your own little paradise.

Hey, I'm cool with that.
Hell, we would likely prosper better than the now bankrupt Liberal United Soviet States of AmeriKa
 
Hell, we would likely prosper better than the now bankrupt Liberal United Soviet States of AmeriKa

That's the spirit! So, you think you might be able to talk the guys into it? Pretty please?
 
Actually, if I could have it my way, we would have at least 3-5 parties relatively equal in size. They would be FORCED to work together and collaborate.

super

any other fantasies of yours you'd care to share?

the republicans are the party of loyal, principled opposition

when we see the president try to reform one sixth of our society by massively expanding medicare and medicaid, which we've all come to depend on, which are commonly known to be broke, with millions and millions of new enrollees while simultaneously cutting its funding half a tril...

when we see him declare that he can pay for two thirds of all this fata morgana by recovering monies lost thru waste, fraud and abuse...

when we see him replace the public option with a mandate on individuals---in the middle of a depression---to go out and buy a private product that can cost as much as some (subprimed) mortgage payments...

when we see him criminalize those who won't or can't conform...

when we see him attempt to impose drastic taxes on ENERGY, both production and consumption---in the middle of a depression...

when we see him ESCALATE the war in afghanistan just because he made it the centerpiece of his campaign's foreign policy, when the enemy we seek, al qaeda, are really in pakistan...

when we see him trying to reach out to holocaust denying haters in iran while they openly spit in his face...

when we see him played like a kabuki puppet by that master choreographer in china...

when we see him bail out every bogus bungler and badguy, every bagman, bankrupt and bum, with billions and billions of bankroll and obscene bonuses...

when we see him socialize the losses of the megacorps while privatizing their gains...

while doing squat for the little guy...

when we see him spend trillions of dollars that don't exist, hundreds of billions in squandered stimulus which he can't account for, which he can't explain to the american people and taxpayers...

when we see unemployment top ten percent and, the week after health care's passed, instead of exhibiting leadership on the only issue that matters most to mom and dad, the economy, he's instead out there STILL TRYING TO SELL his irrational raison d'etre, his own white whale, his health care, health care, health care...

when we see him promise to cut the deficit in half then propose a 2011 budget that borrows more than 10% of gdp...

when we see him mirandize a mutallab and attempt to try ksm before the likes of lance ito in downtown manhattan...

when we watch him, for crass and extremist political purposes, attempt to prosecute the career agents of the cia who flipped ksm and abu zubaydah...

etc

then, yes, when we see our president take actions so inimical to the interests of the american people and so contrary to their concerns, indeed, we must decisively, affirmatively and unambiguously sign on the dotted line of opposition

we simply can't in good principle condone such wrong minded policies

when america has had enough and is ready for a change, we are ready to assume leadership

it's pretty simple

why whine?

why fantasize?

lead, president obama, it's up to you to make opposition irrelevant

and don't forget, sir---fix this economy or you're done

pronto

you're already at least 6 months late

tick tock...
 
Last edited:
Go McCain!!!! The longer the Republicans can stall this monstrous bill from taking effect, the more support they will garner. I hope they do anything they can to challenge, block, sabotage, and poison any efforts on moving this legislation any further.

I assume you have no issue with liberals using whatever legislative loopholes THEY need to get their agenda through if the opposition is acting like this.
 
Back
Top Bottom