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Texas plans to sue over health care bill

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Uh oh..
 
Add Idaho to that list... :mrgreen:

Idaho Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter said Monday that he and other Republican governors are already meeting today -- just hours after Congress passed a $940 billion health care reform plan -- to discuss how they can repeal the legislation.

"If Congress goes ahead with this financial and economic insanity, which is unconstitutional, then we'll sue," Mr. Otter told The Washington Times' "America's Morning News" radio show.
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GOP governors hold morning-after summit - Washington Times
 
And we all know what is going to happen

The lawsuits will fail, and the state governments will complain and refuse to take part, the federal government will withhold money for medicare, medicaid and the new program. The states will capitulate as they will want the money
 
I bet there are a lot of state legislatures wishing they had the right to appoint senators again ...
 
Here is why this will be shot down by the Supreme Court, if a miracle happens and it even gets that far:

Helvering v. Davis, which, in 1937, ruled that the Social Security Act was Constitutional.

It is a fascinating case. You can read about it here.

The authority of the Federal government to turn something as repugnant as this health care bill into law is based on settled law, and the Supremes won't touch it. As a matter of fact, they would see this as a frivolous lawsuit. So would the lower courts. Any lawsuit in this area doesn't stand a chance. All you can do now is bend over and take it, while voting to unseat those in Congress who supported it.
 
I note that Obama's job approval rating is at 50%. Better than Reagan and Carter and within polling accuracy points of Clinton and Nixon at the same point in their presidency.
Gallup.Com Politics News ? Political Views, Job Approval Ratings, Insights for Leaders
Dubya was way ahead, but that was just 6 months after 9/11.

To read DP on this subject as a foreigner, you'd be led to believe that Obama was the most reviled President in history and that his every initiative was less popular than Swine Flu. How come the polls don't reflect this? It appears the country is in favour of the passing of the bill...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-07-13-poll-health-care_N.htm
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
And we all know what is going to happen

The lawsuits will fail, and the state governments will complain and refuse to take part, the federal government will withhold money for medicare, medicaid and the new program. The states will capitulate as they will want the money
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This is the most realistic post I've seen yet.
 
'Don't Mess with TEXAS"---We don't play nice. "Long live Dixie, and God Bless Texas.
 
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Skateguy said:
'Don't Mess with TEXAS"---We don't play nice. "Long live Dixie, and God Bless Texas.
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When you state starts acting...sane... we'll stop "messing" with you.
 
Deuce said:
When you state starts acting...sane... we'll stop "messing" with you.
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Get enough States together and they can change the Constitution (Amendment) to outlaw Federal Mandated Health Insurance.

Article V - Amendment Note1 - Note2 - Note3
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
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The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Oops.......... 38 states are already changing their laws to make this POS illegal.

The governor of Idaho signed a bill last week blocking federal mandates requiring individuals in his state to purchase health insurance.

Some 38 states have either filed or announced their intention to file similar legislation, according to the American Legislative Exchange Council, which opposes the health reform bill.
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Ten US states to file suit against health care reform - Yahoo! News

So lets do the Math!!!!!!!!

2/3rd's of 50 States looks to me to be 33 and a third States....... that's less than 38!

3/4's of 50 States looks like 37 and a half States...... that's also less than 38 States.

Any one here still think the States will be defeated in their bid to out law this POS?
 
We have seen this all before. When one group thinks their will should prevail over others objections, whether they like it or not. It seldom ends well. I like a round table discussion myself. with equal parties, and no King.
 
Skateguy said:
'Don't Mess with TEXAS"---We don't play nice. "Long live Dixie, and God Bless Texas.
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Even Texas had best learn when it is beaten.

As others have said, this lawsuit will go nowhere.

It is a waste of time and money even attempting such.

It is in reality simply Politico's in Tx attempting to inform the unwashed masses of Tx that they are doing something, whereas in fact, as normal they are doing diddly squat.
 
jujuman13 said:
Even Texas had best learn when it is beaten.

As others have said, this lawsuit will go nowhere.
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Thank you Justice JuJu....

Texas can do damnwell what they please as can most other states, under the proper circumstances and THIS is one on 'em!

Libs OBVIOUSLY take the trampling of the Constitution lightly.. I assure you Texas and a couple million other folks in the nation do NOT..
 
Andalublue said:
I note that Obama's job approval rating is at 50%. Better than Reagan and Carter and within polling accuracy points of Clinton and Nixon at the same point in their presidency.
Gallup.Com Politics News ? Political Views, Job Approval Ratings, Insights for Leaders
Dubya was way ahead, but that was just 6 months after 9/11.

To read DP on this subject as a foreigner, you'd be led to believe that Obama was the most reviled President in history and that his every initiative was less popular than Swine Flu. How come the polls don't reflect this? It appears the country is in favour of the passing of the bill...
Poll: Americans want health care bill, but not the cost - USATODAY.com
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It's a shame he isn't a socialist, right? :doh
 
Deuce said:
When you state starts acting...sane... we'll stop "messing" with you.
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There is more of us than you, so you better not mess with us, period. ;)
 
Coronado said:
I bet there are a lot of state legislatures wishing they had the right to appoint senators again ...
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hit the nail on the head. we've that alteration to thank for not a little of our increasing centralization of government.
 
Crunch said:
Get enough States together and they can change the Constitution (Amendment) to outlaw Federal Mandated Health Insurance.

The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Oops.......... 38 states are already changing their laws to make this POS illegal.

Ten US states to file suit against health care reform - Yahoo! News

So lets do the Math!!!!!!!!

2/3rd's of 50 States looks to me to be 33 and a third States....... that's less than 38!

3/4's of 50 States looks like 37 and a half States...... that's also less than 38 States.

Any one here still think the States will be defeated in their bid to out law this POS?
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that would be wonderful.
 
ConservaBill said:
Thank you Justice JuJu....

Texas can do damnwell what they please as can most other states, under the proper circumstances and THIS is one on 'em!

Libs OBVIOUSLY take the trampling of the Constitution lightly.. I assure you Texas and a couple million other folks in the nation do NOT..
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What it ultimately boils down to is will Texas forgo Medicaid and medicare payments from the Federal Gov.?

Taken that the Gubernatorial election is just around the corner and that Texas has an enormous number of retirees, no I think you will find that this little push back against Federal Gov. will not amount to a hill of beans.
 
jujuman13 said:
Even Texas had best learn when it is beaten.

As others have said, this lawsuit will go nowhere.
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Texas also reserves the right of secession, which would make sense if the federal government wants socialism rather than freedom. I can see why Texas might want freedom...
 
Politics101 said:
Texas also reserves the right of secession, which would make sense if the federal government wants socialism rather than freedom. I can see why Texas might want freedom...
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Does this reserving of the right mean that there won't be fighting involved?
 
jujuman13 said:
What it ultimately boils down to is will Texas forgo Medicaid and medicare payments from the Federal Gov.?

Taken that the Gubernatorial election is just around the corner and that Texas has an enormous number of retirees, no I think you will find that this little push back against Federal Gov. will not amount to a hill of beans.
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1. texas is one of the most conservative states in the union
2. texas has a constant inflow of people seeking to escape the leftwing destruction of places like california; if they wanted to set up a state system to replace medicare and/or medicaid, they have a proper pyramid shaped demographic to do it with. a Texan medicaid program could refuse payment to illegal aliens, saving them not a little bit of money.
3. if this pushback results in the Supreme Court discovering an amendment between #9 and #11; the consequences could be very far reaching indeed.
 
Mickey Shane said:
Does this reserving of the right mean that there won't be fighting involved?
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a good chunk of the military is from texas; and a good chunk of the rest would quite possibly refuse to invade. texas also has several pretty huge bases on it; which would most likely remain loyal to the central government. it could potentially be quite messy.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
And we all know what is going to happen

The lawsuits will fail, and the state governments will complain and refuse to take part, the federal government will withhold money for medicare, medicaid and the new program. The states will capitulate as they will want the money
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Well put. This is the bottom line. Funny how the so-called "conservatives" don't have a problem when it comes to the funds that will be wasted on this little bit of doomed to fail theater.

(Like they actually care about wasted tax dollars! :liar2)
 
The Uncola said:
Well put. This is the bottom line. Funny how the so-called "conservatives" don't have a problem when it comes to the funds that will be wasted on this little bit of doomed to fail theater.

(Like they actually care about wasted tax dollars! :liar2)
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So how are the States to pay for the manditory contributions they have to make under this new HC law? Arizona just balanced its budget which was way in debt. I don't remember the exact number, but Az now will have to provide HC coverage to 300,000 kids, etc. Think the news said that the State needs to find almost 500 to 750 million (?) it does not have. So where is the money going to come from without hurting already depleted programs?
 
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