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Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

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Again, the present system is unsustainable.

Also, Morality Games is exactly correct. We can't continue to pay for the uninsured and under insured. You are only being responsible when you have enough cash to handle any emergency or enough insurance to handle. If you do not, you're not being responsible.

Right, WE cannot continue to pay for the uninsured nor should we. You have yet to define the number of those you are truly concerned about. Why should the taxpayer fund insurance for people who can afford insurance but choose not to?

You really shouldn't be talking about big words like responsible. Why do you believe you are responsible for someone else's health insurance and if you really believe that how many others are you funding?

stop with the BS and think for a change. You obviously have never run a business, you obviously are a wage slave, you obviously think only with your heart and not your brain. Stop with the emotional rhetoric and actually deal in facts.
 
Right, WE cannot continue to pay for the uninsured nor should we. You have yet to define the number of those you are truly concerned about. Why should the taxpayer fund insurance for people who can afford insurance but choose not to?

You really shouldn't be talking about big words like responsible. Why do you believe you are responsible for someone else's health insurance and if you really believe that how many others are you funding?

stop with the BS and think for a change. You obviously have never run a business, you obviously are a wage slave, you obviously think only with your heart and not your brain. Stop with the emotional rhetoric and actually deal in facts.

We've been paying for them all along. And yes, I have given you the numbers and the fact check on those numbers. And I did so for both the uninsured and the under insured.

As for responsibility, I'm a Christian and as such do believe in helping my fellow man and woman and child. However, that isn't the point. I'm looking for a way to make my care more affordable. As a country, we've decided we won't turn people away. As long as that is the case, we will have those who can't pay treated. The only way that can be off set is to charge more for services and material, hence costs go up. Insurance companies have to contend with the rising costs, so they up premiums and limit services, which leads to more things not being paid for, and costs rising more, which leads to . . . . . .

Get the picture yet?
 
We've been paying for them all along. And yes, I have given you the numbers and the fact check on those numbers. And I did so for both the uninsured and the under insured.

As for responsibility, I'm a Christian and as such do believe in helping my fellow man and woman and child. However, that isn't the point. I'm looking for a way to make my care more affordable. As a country, we've decided we won't turn people away. As long as that is the case, we will have those who can't pay treated. The only way that can be off set is to charge more for services and material, hence costs go up. Insurance companies have to contend with the rising costs, so they up premiums and limit services, which leads to more things not being paid for, and costs rising more, which leads to . . . . . .

Get the picture yet?

Yep, I get it it, spend someone else's money not realizing it is yours. If you are indeed a Christian then how are you helping your fellow man? I will put my charitable giving up against yours any day and that is the true indication of just how much of a Christian you really are.

Yours is one of blaming everyone else instead of yourself for personal failures. You always point out the victims yet do nothing to truly help them from stop being a victim. Yours is one of creating further dependence, not ever solving a problem.

Costs are rising but as you continue to ignore nothing in this bill lowers actual costs of healthcare. yours is one of buying rhetoric as you believe lowering actual premiums is actually lowering costs. That is naive, gullible, and being very poorly informed. This bill creates access but does nothing to lower costs.

met with my doctor yesterday to handle my bronchitist and we talked about the healthcare bill. His firm has stopped taking Medicare and Medicaid because of govt. mandated payment schedules which does nothing to lower the costs of what he is paying. So tell me how that improves quality and lowers costs?

So remain naive and gullible when it comes to actual costs of healthcare.
 
Yep, I get it it, spend someone else's money not realizing it is yours. If you are indeed a Christian then how are you helping your fellow man? I will put my charitable giving up against yours any day and that is the true indication of just how much of a Christian you really are.

Yours is one of blaming everyone else instead of yourself for personal failures. You always point out the victims yet do nothing to truly help them from stop being a victim. Yours is one of creating further dependence, not ever solving a problem.

Costs are rising but as you continue to ignore nothing in this bill lowers actual costs of healthcare. yours is one of buying rhetoric as you believe lowering actual premiums is actually lowering costs. That is naive, gullible, and being very poorly informed. This bill creates access but does nothing to lower costs.

met with my doctor yesterday to handle my bronchitist and we talked about the healthcare bill. His firm has stopped taking Medicare and Medicaid because of govt. mandated payment schedules which does nothing to lower the costs of what he is paying. So tell me how that improves quality and lowers costs?

So remain naive and gullible when it comes to actual costs of healthcare.

First, you're paying now and it doesn't seem to bother you at all. Second, you need more than your doctor who we can't verify. Please present something new due to this bill. If you can't, you may be the one who's gullible. ;)
 
First, you're paying now and it doesn't seem to bother you at all. Second, you need more than your doctor who we can't verify. Please present something new due to this bill. If you can't, you may be the one who's gullible. ;)

Yes, it bothers me because there doesn't seem to be a concerted effort to collect from those who can pay but choose not to pay. More importantly to me however is the $600,000 that may county paid last year because of care given to illegals.

There is nothing new in this bill, illegals are illegal and nothing changes that reality in spite of words in the bill to that extent.

You have yet to prove that anything in this bill is going to lower actual healthcare costs but that doesn't stop you from supporting something that isn't even in effect yet

You seem so interested in me proving something yet ignoring that everything in this bill is speculation as well. Why don't you demand that your politicians back up their claims with actual facts supporting their projections? Naw, that would mean that you would have to demand from them something you are incapable of accepting.
 
Yes, it bothers me because there doesn't seem to be a concerted effort to collect from those who can pay but choose not to pay. More importantly to me however is the $600,000 that may county paid last year because of care given to illegals.

There is nothing new in this bill, illegals are illegal and nothing changes that reality in spite of words in the bill to that extent.

You have yet to prove that anything in this bill is going to lower actual healthcare costs but that doesn't stop you from supporting something that isn't even in effect yet

You seem so interested in me proving something yet ignoring that everything in this bill is speculation as well. Why don't you demand that your politicians back up their claims with actual facts supporting their projections? Naw, that would mean that you would have to demand from them something you are incapable of accepting.

Well, it calls for personal responsibility, calling for those who can afford insurance to have it. And it helps cover those who don't. That's new. And it's good. And it helps.

BTW, you can call anything new as speculative. There's no such thing as a certainty in any new bill. So, your criticism on this lacks any real meat. Also, what we don know most certainly is that doing nothing, as we have for decades, has led to higher costs with reduced coverage. Seems foolish to support the status quo to me.
 
Sorry to interrupt... but did anyone find those doctors that quit? I can't find them here in Canada, guess they didn't flee your socialist Marxist USSA
 
Well, it calls for personal responsibility, calling for those who can afford insurance to have it. And it helps cover those who don't. That's new. And it's good. And it helps.

BTW, you can call anything new as speculative. There's no such thing as a certainty in any new bill. So, your criticism on this lacks any real meat. Also, what we don know most certainly is that doing nothing, as we have for decades, has led to higher costs with reduced coverage. Seems foolish to support the status quo to me.

Words, words, and more words, something you just love to hear. Only in your world is making more regulations on top of existing regulations good.

There are laws on the books now that aren't being enforced so you answer is create more laws. None in this bill other than access is different from laws already in place. Nothing in this bill lowers actual healthcare costs, you know it and I know it but only one of us admits it.

Higher costs with reduced coverage is not being addressed by this bill. The opt out provision allows people to pay a fine which means that the chronic ill will be left and what does that do to costs?
 
Words, words, and more words, something you just love to hear. Only in your world is making more regulations on top of existing regulations good.

There are laws on the books now that aren't being enforced so you answer is create more laws. None in this bill other than access is different from laws already in place. Nothing in this bill lowers actual healthcare costs, you know it and I know it but only one of us admits it.

Higher costs with reduced coverage is not being addressed by this bill. The opt out provision allows people to pay a fine which means that the chronic ill will be left and what does that do to costs?

No, making effective regulations are good.

BTW, words are how we communicate. I don't see anything wrong with using them. And yes, higher costs and reduced coverage are being addressed. With more people able to pay, there should be less mark up, which in turn reduces the need for insurance companies to raise prices and reduce services. I wouldn't expected it over night, but it should help.
 
No, making effective regulations are good.

BTW, words are how we communicate. I don't see anything wrong with using them. And yes, higher costs and reduced coverage are being addressed. With more people able to pay, there should be less mark up, which in turn reduces the need for insurance companies to raise prices and reduce services. I wouldn't expected it over night, but it should help.

Making effective regulations? Before touting the success of this legislation, don't you think it ought to go into effect first? History is the guide but history has no place in your world.

As a wage slave, you are hardly an expert on anything let alone how business works and what drives it. Lower costs to you mean what you pay, not what someone else has to pay. That is selfish which is really what liberalism is all about.
 
Sorry to interrupt... but did anyone find those doctors that quit? I can't find them here in Canada, guess they didn't flee your socialist Marxist USSA

I love it when people in Canada are an expert on our healthcare system. You really ought to find a way to keep your own citizens healthy and from coming to this country for care. The healthcare bill hasn't gone into effect yet although doctors and hospitals are alreayd dropping Medicare and Medicaid. Only in the liberal world is that apparently a good thing.
 
Sorry to interrupt... but did anyone find those doctors that quit? I can't find them here in Canada, guess they didn't flee your socialist Marxist USSA

You might wait til 2014 when the rules and laws are actually implemented. Right now we are just in the four year build-up tax and spend phase.

I suspect you wont have to worry about whether or not people quit. Once socialized medicine is implemented there will be a slight bump in federally mandated service providers, fewer hospitals (which will equal longer waiting times), more localized clinics (which will compare to the clinics in Canada-lots of nurses, a few PAs, no docs) and the private provider wont quit...they will not be able to find work. Only a limited number of people will be able to pay cash and opt out of the federalized health care.
 
Making effective regulations? Before touting the success of this legislation, don't you think it ought to go into effect first? History is the guide but history has no place in your world.

As a wage slave, you are hardly an expert on anything let alone how business works and what drives it. Lower costs to you mean what you pay, not what someone else has to pay. That is selfish which is really what liberalism is all about.

Can't go into effect if we don't pass it. See the error in your thinking yet?

Now, can you present any evidence? Kind of throwing mud at me can't really be called evidence you know. ;)
 
Can't go into effect if we don't pass it. See the error in your thinking yet?

Now, can you present any evidence? Kind of throwing mud at me can't really be called evidence you know. ;)

You are the one telling us that this bill lowers healthcare costs by increasing access. The bill has been passed yet you continue to campaign for it. All this speculation flies in the face of history yet you continue to defend something you do not understand.

I have presented evidence, the cost of Medicare, SS, and Medicaid, the cost of MA Healthcare but none of those matter to you an ideologue who cannot admit when proven wrong.
 
You are the one telling us that this bill lowers healthcare costs by increasing access. The bill has been passed yet you continue to campaign for it. All this speculation flies in the face of history yet you continue to defend something you do not understand.

I have presented evidence, the cost of Medicare, SS, and Medicaid, the cost of MA Healthcare but none of those matter to you an ideologue who cannot admit when proven wrong.

Yes, and I explained how it would work. This Bill isn't medicare, or medicaid, or MA. It's different. You have to address my reasoning and not just throw up false comparisons.
 
Yes, and I explained how it would work. This Bill isn't medicare, or medicaid, or MA. It's different. You have to address my reasoning and not just throw up false comparisons.

Of course it is different, all liberal legislation is different according to liberals. What you fail to understand is that it is nothing more than the same old crap packaged in a different wrapper.

I suggest you take a reading comprehension course because I have addressed your so called reasoning which again is the same liberal rhetoric packaged differently. Just throw more money at the problem. Only in the liberal world can you add millions more to anything and lower costs.

I suggest you keep your day job and stop trying to predict the future as quite frankly you haven't a clue.
 
Of course it is different, all liberal legislation is different according to liberals. What you fail to understand is that it is nothing more than the same old crap packaged in a different wrapper.

I suggest you take a reading comprehension course because I have addressed your so called reasoning which again is the same liberal rhetoric packaged differently. Just throw more money at the problem. Only in the liberal world can you add millions more to anything and lower costs.

I suggest you keep your day job and stop trying to predict the future as quite frankly you haven't a clue.

Or maybe you just don't see important distinctions. Some find it simpler to reduce everything to silly sound bites stereotypes. But those are seldom accurate or insightful. Differences matter.

And no, you have not addressed much. You just repeat the same stereotype.
 
Or maybe you just don't see important distinctions. Some find it simpler to reduce everything to silly sound bites stereotypes. But those are seldom accurate or insightful. Differences matter.

And no, you have not addressed much. You just repeat the same stereotype.

Some also ignore history, some who are wage slaves are experts in running a business. I see you for what you are, a true ideologue who is out of touch with reality and ignores history.
 
So has any one's Dr quit yet?

None of mine have.
 
So has any one's Dr quit yet?

None of mine have.

How many have dropped Medicare and Medicaid? Has yours yet? That cannot be a good thing but can be an indication of what is coming. Like all liberals however you would react instead of anticipating.
 
Some also ignore history, some who are wage slaves are experts in running a business. I see you for what you are, a true ideologue who is out of touch with reality and ignores history.

Not ignore, but take all of it in. Again, there is no clamor to end these programs. There is a need for them just as there is a need for healthcare reform.
 
So has any one's Dr quit yet?

None of mine have.

There will be no mass exodus of physicians. Most know that, which is why none have posted anything remotely equal to evidence. ;)
 
Not ignore, but take all of it in. Again, there is no clamor to end these programs. There is a need for them just as there is a need for healthcare reform.

There is no clamor to end these programs because people have paid into them and expect a return or at least to get some of their money back. I cannot believe that is your argument.

There is need for healthcare reform, just not this healthcare bill that does nothing to reform healthcare. Neither healthcare quality, quantiy, or actual costs are addressed in this bill. You seem to believe that what someone pays for their individual plan represents the actual cost of healthcare. That just goes to show how naive you are. you don't understand profit margins, costs of doing business, competition for how could you, you get a pay check and really don't care what went into generating that paycheck. for you it is all about what you receive not what it costs to produce the check.
 
There is no clamor to end these programs because people have paid into them and expect a return or at least to get some of their money back. I cannot believe that is your argument.

There is need for healthcare reform, just not this healthcare bill that does nothing to reform healthcare. Neither healthcare quality, quantiy, or actual costs are addressed in this bill. You seem to believe that what someone pays for their individual plan represents the actual cost of healthcare. That just goes to show how naive you are. you don't understand profit margins, costs of doing business, competition for how could you, you get a pay check and really don't care what went into generating that paycheck. for you it is all about what you receive not what it costs to produce the check.

it's more than that, more than just having paid into them. People let money go when it costs more than it is worth. If this were the case, people would let it go. They don't because the service is needed.

And no, there has been no real reform outside this bill. Republicans had a long time to offer something, and offered nothing. it wasn't until there was both a democrat congress and a democrat president that any reform moved moved forward.
 
it's more than that, more than just having paid into them. People let money go when it costs more than it is worth. If this were the case, people would let it go. They don't because the service is needed.

And no, there has been no real reform outside this bill. Republicans had a long time to offer something, and offered nothing. it wasn't until there was both a democrat congress and a democrat president that any reform moved moved forward.

When are you going to learn? Add this to the problems in Greece, Italy, Spain and still you support massive growth in the size of govt? That just shows how naive you really are.

Moving forward as you described it gave us this bill. Unfortunately wage slaves don't understand how much a trillion dollars is. Too bad that economic disasters affect us all and not just the people like you that support this POS.

Brown Resigns as British Prime Minister

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Gordon Brown announces he will resign as British prime minister, saying "it was a privilege to serve."
 
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