Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

Erod said:

...and the New England Journal of Medicine isn't exactly a politically-charged blog site. There are many references to this article today, but I thought it best to post the survey itself.

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Except this isn't a NEJM survey, it is quoting a survey carried out by a private medical recruitment firm. It was a semi-random sample of only their clients, we have no idea of knowing whether their clients are typical of doctors in general, or even of physicians in general (correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't physicians just one branch of medicine? As opposed to surgeons, phychiatrists etc?). The respondents were also self-selecting.

Whilst the findings might be interesting, as an indicator of general, across-the-board medical opinion, it doesn't count for as much as the OP is hoping, or hyping.

http://www.themedicusfirm.com/pages/survey

Gray_Fox_86 said:

HA! And most doctors say they are their because they enjoy to help people:rofl

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Please provide a link to the study or survey that states this is why they are there. You cannot.

Even if they did, it is no reason for the government to treat them like slave labor, a cog in the socialist machine.

Doctors will become more scarce with the advent Obamacare. Who, with half a brain, would want to go to school for years, at huge expense, only to be dictated to by folks like Pelosi, Reid, Waxman, Kennedy, Clinton, Schumer, Durbin, Kerry, and Obama?

I can see it now, across households in America.

Son: Dad, I'm thinking about becoming a medical doctor.
Dad: Ahh, noble son, noble... but...
Son: But what?
Dad: Would you like being told what to do all day, every day by your step Mom?
Son: No.
Dad: Well son, think about a lifetime of servitude to a bunch of people who don't know you, don't care about you and think you are their property in a redistribution scheme. And you are the one who will give in order to fulfill their scheme.
Son: What do you mean?
Dad: The business isn't yours son. You are a ward of the state. They tell you what you make, how much you can work, and what services you can provide at what price.
Son: Hmmmmm...
Dad: Think of it as being a glorified prisoner... and such systems only get worse with time. They start with a bad premise, and they continually try to, they think they are trying to right the ship, but matters only get worse. Just look at Europe.


The wealthy will be able to escape the decay of the system, just as Kanuckistani's with money came south of the border to get real care instead of real long waiting lists. I wonder how the Commi Organizer and his future cronies will deal with that?

Sozialist Kare will be repealed... Obama keeps piling on and flinging around the socialist dung every day. Then tells us to make **** sandwiches and enjoy it. The entire nation has been splattered with his ****, some of course enjoy it thoroughly, but the stench and aggravation will provide a reminder until November.

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zimmer said:

Please provide a link to the study or survey that states this is why they are there. You cannot.

Even if they did, it is no reason for the government to treat them like slave labor, a cog in the socialist machine.

Doctors will become more scarce with the advent Obamacare. Who, with half a brain, would want to go to school for years, at huge expense, only to be dictated to by folks like Pelosi, Reid, Waxman, Kennedy, Clinton, Schumer, Durbin, Kerry, and Obama?

The wealthy will be able to escape the decay of the system, just as Kanuckistani's with money came south of the border to get real care instead of real long waiting lists. I wonder how the Commi Organizer and his future cronies will deal with that?

Sozialist Kare will be repealed... Obama keeps piling on and flinging around the socialist dung every day. Then tells us to make **** sandwiches and enjoy it. The entire nation has been splattered with his ****, some of course enjoy it thoroughly, but the stench and aggravation will provide a reminder until November.

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Um, "Obamacare" isn't socialist. It's barely even liberal. It uses an individual mandate. You know, like Romney and Mass. kind of individual mandate. And while there are certainly people who will pay more under this healthcare bill, doctors do not suffer under the health care bill any more than anybody else who makes a well-above-average income. Medicare and medicaid reimbursement actually increased.

Way to take the Hypocritic Oath...

LiveUninhibited said:

Um, "Obamacare" isn't socialist. It's barely even liberal. It uses an individual mandate. You know, like Romney and Mass. kind of individual mandate. And while there are certainly people who will pay more under this healthcare bill, doctors do not suffer under the health care bill any more than anybody else who makes a well-above-average income. Medicare and medicaid reimbursement actually increased.

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LOL... Mare Kool-Aid fer teh lad.
He uses socialist redistribution and class warfare yackedy-yack do defend this tripe, and can spew... from the same orifice that this isn't socialist.

Oh my. How the schools fail society. Nary enough analytical thought to make it through the day.

Social Security works and isn't socialist. ROTFLMAO...
The schools work and are failing... thanks to... socialists.
Medicaid and Medicare, more socialism and absolute failures.

As you were... (head in sand).


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Mickey Shane said:

If 50% of the Doctors quit, how are we going to staff the death panels.:scared:

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Volunteers will step forward and do the dirty deed for free. I hear Dick Cheney has already volunteered.:2razz:

Conservative said:

Just another link that won't matter

Hawaii's Compulsory Health-Care System Is No Model - Sam Slom - Critical Condition on National Review Online

You only buy what the NY Times tells you or any other leftwing site but again you miss the point entirely. If this is such a good program it would be duplicated by other states. What you claim works in Hawaii isn't working in MA and there is no way the Federal govt. can implement anything of this size better than individual states or communities.

There is no such thing as a free lunch no matter how much liberals claim that there is. Unfortunately in this country almost 50% of the people pay no income taxes thus have no problem having their responsibility paid by others.

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Same problem. You are using a source with a history of misrepresenting facts and skewing them to a political view. Accuracy is important and sources that have a history of being inaccurate, misquoting, or taking quotes out of context can't be trusted. Again, anything that has merit can be found on more mainstream and valid sources. I even linked a Fox news source for you that was more credible. For some reason, you don't seem able to link many credible sources.

And no one is claiming anything abut a free lunch. There is no such claim anywhere.

cholla said:

This is what he really said, acurate reading comprehension requires using all the words that were written.

In spite of the evidence that the Federal Govt. doesn't run any social program well, you continue to support it. That is liberal arrogance.

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I'm fully aware of what he said, and it is an over generalization and as such problematic. There are few absolutes in the world. Few to none actually. And it is simple minded to suggest there are.

Erod said:

Physician Survey: Health Reform?s Potential Impact on Physician Supply and Quality of Medical Care



This deserves to be in Breaking News in my opinion because it is obviously topical, the results are startling, and the New England Journal of Medicine isn't exactly a politically-charged blog site. There are many references to this article today, but I thought it best to post the survey itself.

Will your personal doctor give up his/her practice if Obamacare passes?

Obama is sickening. He pulls a bunch of white coats up on stage as if the medical community is completely "behind him" on this. Obviously, they are not.

America, this is what the radical left looks like. Like much?

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hey Erod. Just wanted to check in again and ask where all the doctors that are quitting are? If you find them let me know...

Yeah right, "Feel it is going to make them quit".
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Erod said:

Physician Survey: Health Reform?s Potential Impact on Physician Supply and Quality of Medical Care



This deserves to be in Breaking News in my opinion because it is obviously topical, the results are startling, and the New England Journal of Medicine isn't exactly a politically-charged blog site. There are many references to this article today, but I thought it best to post the survey itself.

Will your personal doctor give up his/her practice if Obamacare passes?

Obama is sickening. He pulls a bunch of white coats up on stage as if the medical community is completely "behind him" on this. Obviously, they are not.


America, this is what the radical left looks like. Like much?

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Hey Erod, just wanted to check in again. Did you find all those doctors that quit? I haven't been able to find them either. They didn't flee up here to Canada so, again if you find them please let me know. :mrgreen:

Conservative said:

Discontinuation? Ok, I'll bite, which party has discontinuation in their platform?

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Wait, wait, I've got it!

Discontinuation isn't actually in the GOP platform - but that's their real goal. Just like a public option/government takevoer is the "real goal" of Obamacare!

I love this slippery slope and just make up stuff logic!

misterman said:

Wait, wait, I've got it!

Discontinuation isn't actually in the GOP platform - but that's their real goal. Just like a public option/government takevoer is the "real goal" of Obamacare!

I love this slippery slope and just make up stuff logic!

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Right, you know what the goal is of the GOP just like you know everything about everyone else. That liberal arrogance is on full display here.

Want a slippery slope, try national healthcare like that POS that was just passed.

Jetboogieman said:

Hey Erod, just wanted to check in again. Did you find all those doctors that quit? I haven't been able to find them either. They didn't flee up here to Canada so, again if you find them please let me know. :mrgreen:

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Well, my dermatologist did reschedule my appointment, does that count?

roughdraft274 said:

Well, my dermatologist did reschedule my appointment, does that count?

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There is a doctor shortage now, insured are using the emergency rooms because they cannot find a doctor. Adding millions more makes it worse. Liberals believe that cutting the cost that people pay actually improves quality. That is arrogance.

Conservative said:

There is a doctor shortage now, insured are using the emergency rooms because they cannot find a doctor. Adding millions more makes it worse. Liberals believe that cutting the cost that people pay actually improves quality. That is arrogance.

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Show me one liberal saying that cutting costs improves quality. Just one and you win the entire argument.

Also, we are adding millions more that will be paying for private insurance and therefor can afford medical care. Won't that then mean that the private sector will provide more doctors since they'll be more money for the taking? Isn't that how this whole crazy thing works?

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Show me one liberal saying that cutting costs improves quality. Just one and you win the entire argument.

Also, we are adding millions more that will be paying for private insurance and therefor can afford medical care. Won't that then mean that the private sector will provide more doctors since they'll be more money for the taking? Isn't that how this whole crazy thing works?

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Been paying attention lately? It is all about what insurance costs, what doctors charge, hospital bills, ER services. None of this is about the doctor shortage or lowering actual healthcare costs. Premiums going lower doesn't change healthcare costs for the companies that administer the program.

Adding millions to the roles isn't going to happen. People are going to opt out just like they do now. The true number of people who cannot afford healthcare is very small compared to the total number of uninsured. the penalty for not having insurance is much less than the cost of insurance. What gives the govt. the right to force people to buy any personal responsibility item?

What do you do for a living and does the govt. control how much you make? What is the incentive to get into the profession with the govt. cutting the Medicare reimbursement rates and the states cutting Medicaid?

Too many people are very naive and do not understand basic business. Doctors are quiting the business and that will add to the current shortage.

It's also about access and care. I keep telling you conservative that cost is only part of the issue.

Conservative said:

Been paying attention lately? It is all about what insurance costs, what doctors charge, hospital bills, ER services. None of this is about the doctor shortage or lowering actual healthcare costs. Premiums going lower doesn't change healthcare costs for the companies that administer the program.

Adding millions to the roles isn't going to happen. People are going to opt out just like they do now. The true number of people who cannot afford healthcare is very small compared to the total number of uninsured. the penalty for not having insurance is much less than the cost of insurance. What gives the govt. the right to force people to buy any personal responsibility item?

What do you do for a living and does the govt. control how much you make? What is the incentive to get into the profession with the govt. cutting the Medicare reimbursement rates and the states cutting Medicaid?

Too many people are very naive and do not understand basic business. Doctors are quiting the business and that will add to the current shortage.

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I'm going to assume you couldn't find that 1 liberal saying what you think all liberals believe.

Idk about your doctors, but all of mine drive expensive cars and live in country club houses and take exotic vacations, as they should since they spent those years in med school and provide a service and are good at what they do. They ain't hurting and they aren't quitting.

Boo Radley said:

It's also about access and care. I keep telling you conservative that cost is only part of the issue.

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This is about perceived access but you continue to ignore the track record of the Govt. With a doctor shortage where is the access and with the opt out opportunity where is the cost savings?

roughdraft274 said:

I'm going to assume you couldn't find that 1 liberal saying what you think all liberals believe.

Idk about your doctors, but all of mine drive expensive cars and live in country club houses and take exotic vacations, as they should since they spent those years in med school and provide a service and are good at what they do. They ain't hurting and they aren't quitting.

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I take it you have no interest in explaining how this healthcare bill improves quality and access?

LOL, because someone lives in an expensive neighborhood or belongs to a country club doesn't mean they are rich and will put up with a cut in their pay. They will find something else to do or will simply drop Medicare or Medicaid patients.

Sounds like I am dealing with another brainwashed kid here.

Conservative said:

This is about perceived access but you continue to ignore the track record of the Govt. With a doctor shortage where is the access and with the opt out opportunity where is the cost savings?

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Again, you over state the shortage. With more people covered, more options are available, and more will be able to get better care than they have to date.

Boo Radley said:

Again, you over state the shortage. With more people covered, more options are available, and more will be able to get better care than they have to date.

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Apparently so do the facts which you ignore now but acknowledged then. Why are so many insured using the ER's? Why are the MA Universal healthcare expenses rising? What is it in this bill that prevents illegals from using the ER's now.

I pointed out that I live north of Houston, our local budget took a 600,000 hit for illegal use of the ER's last fiscal year so please don't tell me that the costs of healthcare have been fully analized.

Conservative said:

So if nothing was ignored what is it exactly that Paul Ryan discussed that was either left out or added to the healthcare bill?

Did Paul Ryan vote for the healthcare bill?

What is being ignored by you is the fact that this bill does nothing to improve the quality of healthcare or lower costs. You are also ignoring the cost of the MA program which was the model for this bill. Once again arrogant liberals believe they can do a better job than other arrogant liberals. Problem is the rest of us have to pay for liberal screwups.

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I watched the health care summit and read the transcript and was very concerned about the numbers as well. But here's what outraged me more on that matter:

That even while Rep. Ryan uttered the words I was angered that Senate Republicans sat on their hands the entire time throughout the health care debate and did little to nothing to help bring those cost estimates down. So, while you are sitting there blaming Democrats for passing a health care bill that may very well be bloated with "false" cost-saving measures, I blame the Republicans more for working harder to bring discredit upon a sitting President than to actually accomplish meaningful reform. That to me is a far bigger disappointment than any financial "gimmick" the Democrats could pull.

Do I care about the overall cost? Yes, absolutely! But I care more that the health care system gets closer and closer to being the very best system it can be. IMO, this health care reform legistlation is a good first-step. It's not the best, but it moves this nation in the right direction which is a far cry better than I give Republicans credit for when they held power. For, if health care reform was so important to them as they said even originally under former Pres. Clinton, why then didn't they make it part of their Republican mandate and do something about it when they held power? And don't give me this notion that Sen. Reid and company thrawted former Pres. GW Bush's attempts to change the system when he was in office because the Republicans had control during the first few years of his first term. If Pres. Obama can enact health care reform in just over his first year in office certainly GW Bush could have done the same during his first 2-years if it were truly a priority for his party. But it was not. And yet they knew Medicare was eating away at this nation's budget; but they passed an unfunded Medicare, Part-D entitlement anyway.

Conservative said:

Apparently so do the facts which you ignore now but acknowledged then. Why are so many insured using the ER's? Why are the MA Universal healthcare expenses rising? What is it in this bill that prevents illegals from using the ER's now.

I pointed out that I live north of Houston, our local budget took a 600,000 hit for illegal use of the ER's last fiscal year so please don't tell me that the costs of healthcare have been fully analized.

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Without real immigration reform, I guess they'll continue to do so. Of course, I don't know if that aspect has been address in the health care reform bill. But since you say you've read it perhaps you can enlighten us...