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Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

Money is being spent regardless. Seriously, check out the numbers if nothing is passed?

http://dpc.senate.gov/docs/sr-111-1-82.html

Then address the costs associated with healthcare and solve the problem. This doesn't address costs nor improve quantity or quality. You willingly buy the rhetoric and ignore history and what is actually in the bill. Human behavior is ignored in any liberal program.
 
Then address the costs associated with healthcare and solve the problem. This doesn't address costs nor improve quantity or quality. You willingly buy the rhetoric and ignore history and what is actually in the bill. Human behavior is ignored in any liberal program.

It's a start. More people insured means less having services they can't pay for which reduces or slows growth of costs. Merely having more people with access improves care some. Again, a start. More needs to be done, and with something started, we can work to improve it.
 
It's a start. More people insured means less having services they can't pay for which reduces or slows growth of costs. Merely having more people with access improves care some. Again, a start. More needs to be done, and with something started, we can work to improve it.


Does a trillion dollars mean anything to you? It wasn't that long ago when the entire budget of the United States wasn't a trillion dollars.

Today the entire defense budget of the United States is 700 billion and that services the role of the govt. You simply haven't a clue and buy what you are told. Think, Boo, think, if you are capable of doing that.

Stop with the its a start. spending a trillion dollars is indeed a start, a start towards the entire takeover of the healthcare industry.
 
Does a trillion dollars mean anything to you? It wasn't that long ago when the entire budget of the United States wasn't a trillion dollars.

Today the entire defense budget of the United States is 700 billion and that services the role of the govt. You simply haven't a clue and buy what you are told. Think, Boo, think, if you are capable of doing that.

Stop with the its a start. spending a trillion dollars is indeed a start, a start towards the entire takeover of the healthcare industry.

You might note the debt was a long time in the making. Didn't just happen today. And the CBO says this will reduce the deficit. Regardless, if you do nothing, the deficit still grows, as it has been, in part due to health care costs.
 
You might note the debt was a long time in the making. Didn't just happen today. And the CBO says this will reduce the deficit. Regardless, if you do nothing, the deficit still grows, as it has been, in part due to health care costs.

The CBO takes its direction from its boss, the Congress, and shifting costs to the states doesn't lower costs thus isn't deficit neutral.

Read what the Govt. says about the CBO estimates

Health Insurance US Health Insurance Statistics – How Many Really are Uninsured?
 
Read this before. And it isn't an accruate reading of the CBO and links the American Spectator whihc is hardly a non-biased publication. So, it doesn't change anything.

it doesn't change anything? There are many articles that point out the CBO numbers and where they came from. You choose to buy what liberals like Obama tell you when all Obama does is use people like you for personal gain.

Stop being a tool of the left and get the facts about the CBO. It is given assumptions by the Congress which it has to use. It is seldom accurate in predictions and the revisions show that the CBO revised their numbers and agreed that it overstated savings by double counting medicare savings.

Do you really want to put your reputation on the line buying what Obama tells you?
 
No, that's not true. The discussion has gone on for decades. This was not the first effort. People get fired up about it nearly every election, the problem comes to the forefront, and then the industry and republicans start the socialism scare (remember Harry and Louise?), and it fails. Anyone who thinks it is new is either uninformed (maybe very young) or in some form of denial.


I think you are missing my point, I said that health care reform became a Crisis when Obama was elected. ie; thousands of people are dying every day without health insurance, we have to do this right now, the evil insurance co.s this the evil insurance co.s that.

As if, in a counrty of over 300 milliom people, thousands don't die eveyday anyway.

And then you quote me a television commercial sponsered by lobbyists to try to make the point that it has been a crisis for a long time.

Just because someone paid someone else to say something, does not make it true.
 
BTW Cholla, it is what you said. I quoted it a above in case you forgot.

And the five bills were not working with democrats but trying to muddy the waters. Working with them is working to present one bill, together.

Do you remember, not so long ago,the end of last year when Dems were locked in a room writing this bill and no one was allowed in.
 
it doesn't change anything? There are many articles that point out the CBO numbers and where they came from. You choose to buy what liberals like Obama tell you when all Obama does is use people like you for personal gain.

Stop being a tool of the left and get the facts about the CBO. It is given assumptions by the Congress which it has to use. It is seldom accurate in predictions and the revisions show that the CBO revised their numbers and agreed that it overstated savings by double counting medicare savings.

Do you really want to put your reputation on the line buying what Obama tells you?

Only if you stop being a tool for the right. ;) :doh

Of course you can find anything on the internet, but come on, the American Spectator? How biased can you get? Try NRO or The American (non) Thinker. If you're going with biased crap, use them all.

What I speak to is my view. Not Obama's. Not the democrat party. Not any one or anything else. I read, I have lived, I have experience and I think. Try arguing with me and not some make believe strawman. ;)
 
Do you remember, not so long ago,the end of last year when Dems were locked in a room writing this bill and no one was allowed in.

Sure do. Do you remember what happened before that?
 
Maybe these doctors need to go ahead and quit cause they are suppose to be in it to help people:(
The more honorable the occupation, the less the salary should be?
 
Only if you stop being a tool for the right. ;) :doh

Of course you can find anything on the internet, but come on, the American Spectator? How biased can you get? Try NRO or The American (non) Thinker. If you're going with biased crap, use them all.

What I speak to is my view. Not Obama's. Not the democrat party. Not any one or anything else. I read, I have lived, I have experience and I think. Try arguing with me and not some make believe strawman. ;)

Look, you can continue to attack the messenger and ignore the message but that doesn't change the message. the message is the role of the CBO is to score requests from the Congress based upon the assumptions given to them by the Congress.

I provided links to the U.S. Census, Healthcare studies, not the American Spectator. Keep ignoring the number of people in this country that can afford health insurance but CHOOSE not to purchase it, the number of people who have access to Medicaid but haven't signed up for it, the number of uninsured children that SCHP is available to but their parents haven't signed up for it.

All you and the liberals have done is magnify a problem making it a crisis that is much less than you and other liberals want to admit. Refute the information posted and then tell us why we need a multi trillion dollar bill to insure those still uninsured after all existing programs are exhausted?
 
Sure do. Do you remember what happened before that?


Paul Ryan laid "your" President out and it was basically ignored by the media and you. Ryan nailed the costs, nailed the inability to address the real issues of healthcare, and nailed the lies being told by this Administration. Keep dodging those lies.
 
Paul Ryan laid "your" President out and it was basically ignored by the media and you. Ryan nailed the costs, nailed the inability to address the real issues of healthcare, and nailed the lies being told by this Administration. Keep dodging those lies.

You do realize that's your opinion and can't be considered fact. However, do a search:

Google

Nothing was ignored.
 
You do realize that's your opinion and can't be considered fact. However, do a search:

Google

Nothing was ignored.


So if nothing was ignored what is it exactly that Paul Ryan discussed that was either left out or added to the healthcare bill?

Did Paul Ryan vote for the healthcare bill?

What is being ignored by you is the fact that this bill does nothing to improve the quality of healthcare or lower costs. You are also ignoring the cost of the MA program which was the model for this bill. Once again arrogant liberals believe they can do a better job than other arrogant liberals. Problem is the rest of us have to pay for liberal screwups.
 
I keep hearing people say that there was no alternative, it was this plan or nothing.
How can that be? there were 5 seperate Republican bills in the house last summer before the townhall meetings. My rep. John Shaddag had his own plan. I saw it with my own eyes last August.

This statment is demonstratedly false, and probably designed to inflame passions.

The Republicans had a 6 year window to do something about it when they were in control of both the presidency and Congress.

Guess what they did about it? Jack ****!

Next batter!
 
The Republicans had a 6 year window to do something about it when they were in control of both the presidency and Congress.

Guess what they did about it? Jack ****!

Next batter!

That would be a strike out on your part, since Boo won't answer the questions how about you? What makes you think that the results nationally with this healthcare bill will be any different than the results in MA?

We have a doctor shortage, we have the insured using the ER's now, we have millions that are eligible for Medicare, Medicaid, or the SCHP program that haven't registered, and now we have a leftwing liberal socialist Congress and Govt. creating another entitlement program and bureaucracy to handle about 10 million truly uninsured that cannot pay for insurance and you support that?

Before getting in the batters box you need to get out of T-Ball.
 
Physician Survey: Health Reform?s Potential Impact on Physician Supply and Quality of Medical Care



This deserves to be in Breaking News in my opinion because it is obviously topical, the results are startling, and the New England Journal of Medicine isn't exactly a politically-charged blog site. There are many references to this article today, but I thought it best to post the survey itself.

Will your personal doctor give up his/her practice if Obamacare passes?

Obama is sickening. He pulls a bunch of white coats up on stage as if the medical community is completely "behind him" on this. Obviously, they are not.

America, this is what the radical left looks like. Like much?

That will never happen. few will quit. We heard the same when Medicare passed .... very very few quit...

If they quit maybe Faux News will hire them as a "balance" to Sanjay GUPTA -
 
That will never happen. few will quit. We heard the same when Medicare passed .... very very few quit...

If they quit maybe Faux News will hire them as a "balance" to Sanjay GUPTA -

There is a doctor shortage now and when you cut Medicare payments, that is going to make the problem worse even with the offset. How is this program going in MA? Do facts ever play a part in your world? Why will the group of liberals in the WH do a better job than the group of liberals that are running MA healthcare?
 
There is a doctor shortage now and when you cut Medicare payments, that is going to make the problem worse even with the offset. How is this program going in MA? Do facts ever play a part in your world? Why will the group of liberals in the WH do a better job than the group of liberals that are running MA healthcare?

Just thought you should know:

As concerns Medicare:

The law calls for 10 % incentive payments for primary care physicians.

The law requires 5 % incentive payments for mental health services.

The law says that in 2010 and 2011, Medicare will make changes to its payment rates that will benefit physicians in rural and low cost areas.

In 2013 and 2014, Medicaid payments to primary care physicians will be raised to match Medicare rates. The federal government will provide 100% of the funding needed for states to meet this requirement. (Medicaid payments are generally 30% lower than Medicare rates.)

Will Doctors Face Medicare Cuts? - Medicare and More


The new law also takes steps to keep doctors' doors open for Medicare patients. Physicians will get bonus payments for primary care, a little-noticed strategy to promote access for seniors.

And it is important to note what is not changing under health insurance reform. The law explicitly prohibits any cuts to seniors’ guaranteed Medicare benefits.

Knowledge is power if you are over 65 | Midwest Voices
 
So if nothing was ignored what is it exactly that Paul Ryan discussed that was either left out or added to the healthcare bill?

Did Paul Ryan vote for the healthcare bill?

What is being ignored by you is the fact that this bill does nothing to improve the quality of healthcare or lower costs. You are also ignoring the cost of the MA program which was the model for this bill. Once again arrogant liberals believe they can do a better job than other arrogant liberals. Problem is the rest of us have to pay for liberal screwups.

Read the links. Again, your claim was he wasn't reported. The links show that is clearly not true. If you want information on him and what he did and said, read the links.
 
Just thought you should know:

As concerns Medicare:

The law calls for 10 % incentive payments for primary care physicians.

The law requires 5 % incentive payments for mental health services.

The law says that in 2010 and 2011, Medicare will make changes to its payment rates that will benefit physicians in rural and low cost areas.

In 2013 and 2014, Medicaid payments to primary care physicians will be raised to match Medicare rates. The federal government will provide 100% of the funding needed for states to meet this requirement. (Medicaid payments are generally 30% lower than Medicare rates.)

Will Doctors Face Medicare Cuts? - Medicare and More


The new law also takes steps to keep doctors' doors open for Medicare patients. Physicians will get bonus payments for primary care, a little-noticed strategy to promote access for seniors.

And it is important to note what is not changing under health insurance reform. The law explicitly prohibits any cuts to seniors’ guaranteed Medicare benefits.

Knowledge is power if you are over 65 | Midwest Voices


Costs for this program is being shifted to the states and they will be forced to reduce Medicaid rates to doctors so where is that offset. Further why do you believe this group of liberals in the WH will generate different results from the group of liberals in MA running that program?

Are you really this naive?
 
Read the links. Again, your claim was he wasn't reported. The links show that is clearly not true. If you want information on him and what he did and said, read the links.

I have read the links and I have read the bill. Everything Ryan said is true and yet you and others still continue to defend this legislation and do so claiming it as a "good first step." When you spent trillions it better be more than just a good first step and all this is a "good first step" to is single payer, govt. take over that puts more power in the hands of the Federal govt. Is that what you really want?

In spite of the evidence that the Federal Govt. doesn't run any social program well, you continue to support it. That is liberal arrogance.
 
I have read the links and I have read the bill. Everything Ryan said is true and yet you and others still continue to defend this legislation and do so claiming it as a "good first step." When you spent trillions it better be more than just a good first step and all this is a "good first step" to is single payer, govt. take over that puts more power in the hands of the Federal govt. Is that what you really want?

In spite of the evidence that the Federal Govt. doesn't run any social program well, you continue to support it. That is liberal arrogance.

It is your opinion that it is true. You're wrong mind you, but I won't argue that YOU don't believe it. Only that he and you are mostly wrong (not 100%).

And whenever you or anyone start with an absolute, the government can't run any program, you should stop, take a deep breath, and reevaluate your thinking. There are very few absolutes in the real world.
 
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