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Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

Boo Radley said:
Shows you know little about the profession.
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Both my parents were teachers, and yes, they had lengthy summer vacations. My mom taught summer school for extra money a few summers though.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
At which point an intelligent government would start to cover more of the costs of medical school, allowing for more potential people to enter the proffession

I wish the Alberta government would do that more for Nursing and for Doctors
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Some of the problem is not the lack of funding, but our schools aren't producing that many graduates that have what it takes intellect and skill-wise, who also desire to get into the medical profession. Doctors are highly skilled, highly educated, and highly specialized. Not only do you need the intellectual ability, you also need the social skills and the ability to put up with a ton of sh*t off the public. Advances in technology, coupled with the increased tendency toward litigation, have made it a very stressful job.
 
StandUpChuck said:
If they do, I strongly suggest they give up the 8 week summer vacation.
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As long as they can also 'give up' late night grading/reading papers, reports, projects etc. Lesson plans, report cards - can't do them during school hours, gotta teach kids. One-on-one meetings with parents during off hours - parents have 'real' jobs ya know. Off hour open house/parent teacher events. Spend their own money to 'set-up' their rooms or buy pencils and paper for their more needy kids.

Some go to school, that is not required, during summer break to improve themselves to better educate their students.

Some things aren't all they may seem to be to outsiders...;)
 
This might not be such a bad thing after all.

From what I've been told (usually from biased sources, the bias being the person is of the population we're talking about) there is a problem with older physicians not accepting, or are not willing to learn new advances in medicine.

In my opinion Medicine is one of those fields where if you are not up-to-date with treatments, definitions, and the overall med-culture, then you are doing your patients a disservice.

For the longest time they thought malaria came form marshes and swamps, and overly "bad air", mainly because that is how the term is defined. It took a change in direction, using new methods (like the "malaria net" used in Pensacola) to begin evaluating the origins of malaria. And even then it took time for the old ways to be redefined and the disease to be in the possession of mosquitoes instead of bad air.
 
Arch Enemy said:
This might not be such a bad thing after all.

From what I've been told (usually from biased sources, the bias being the person is of the population we're talking about) there is a problem with older physicians not accepting, or are not willing to learn new advances in medicine.

In my opinion Medicine is one of those fields where if you are not up-to-date with treatments, definitions, and the overall med-culture, then you are doing your patients a disservice.

For the longest time they thought malaria came form marshes and swamps, and overly "bad air", mainly because that is how the term is defined. It took a change in direction, using new methods (like the "malaria net" used in Pensacola) to begin evaluating the origins of malaria. And even then it took time for the old ways to be redefined and the disease to be in the possession of mosquitoes instead of bad air.
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Doubtful this problem is so large and vast that we need 50% to quit. We already have a shortage.
 
No noticeable number will quit. In fact, with new incentives, we may see a net gain.
 
American said:
Doubtful this problem is so large and vast that we need 50% to quit. We already have a shortage.
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I wouldn't expect 50% to quit. I think most of it is just to provide a response to the survey (which I've look over the methodology and don't see any real issues, other than they do not disclose how they gathered their "physician data base").
 
Arch Enemy said:
I wouldn't expect 50% to quit. I think most of it is just to provide a response to the survey
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I wouldn't expect 50% to actually quit, but I do believe that 50% would like to. The problem is that many doctors are like many nurses. They don't like the profession, but the education is so specialized that you are limited in what other things you could do to make an income that would support you.
 
lizzie said:
I wouldn't expect 50% to actually quit, but I do believe that 50% would like to. The problem is that many doctors are like many nurses. They don't like the profession, but the education is so specialized that you are limited in what other things you could do to make an income that would support you.
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Interesting read on that. If this s true, and I think it is, they may be that way no matter what happens. The profession itself has a lot of drawbacks to go along with the perks.
 
BWG said:
Where do cons get the notion that working for a non-profit means working for free?

Nobody is advocating that they take a poverty vow similar to monks...LOL
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You clearly do not know human behavior if you can't see how working for no profit also reduces the desire to excel in a given field. If all doctors worked for the same pay, it's a guarantee it will also reduce the number of 'best of the best' doctors in the overall health care system.

Human behavior dictates that if given incentives to work, typically you will work harder to excel and earn the rewards that go along with it. It's called the Power of Free Enterprise, and the Pilgrims first learned about this after settling in the New World.

If you remove the incentives it also removes the desire to excel. Why? If no matter how hard you work or what you do, you earn the same wage as every other doctor. You can begin to imagine the medical field will slowly decline as it gets worse and worse over time, and the it will plateau as average quality health care. That's a fact; socialism has never worked in the history of its existence. And it won't work this time, either.
 
Politics101 said:
That's a fact; socialism has never worked in the history of its existence. And it won't work this time, either.
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We'll keep that in mind should anyone try socialism here.
 
Politics101 said:
If all doctors worked for the same pay
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If no matter how hard you work or what you do, you earn the same wage as every other doctor.
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If I was talking about anything in your post, you might have a point, but I wasn't, so you don't.

You seem to not understand the difference between working FOR profit and working for A NON-PROFIT.

You might start with the post that prompted my response.
American said:
So helping people means they work for nothing right?
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Lol. Doctors are going to quit if Health Bill passes? Where are they going to work? MacDonalds? lmao.
 
Catawba said:
What is it you consider socialisism that Obama has done?
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so·cial·ism   /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Show Spelled[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1.a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2.procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3.(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
 
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I note that conservatives, at the very least, have ceased doubting that Barack Obama has both the means and the motivation to effect "change".

:lol:
 
cholla said:
so·cial·ism   /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Show Spelled[soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1.a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
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The government has not taken over production and distribution, so no socialism there.


2.procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3.(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
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The HCR is less collectivist than social programs implemented by our forefathers upheld to be in keeping with the Constitution for decades now, so no socialism there either.
 
Catawba said:
The government has not taken over production and distribution, so no socialism there.
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Exactly. People should be more accurate with their language.
 
Boo Radley said:
Exactly. People should be more accurate with their language.
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Ahhhh, but it's sooooooo scary sounding.

I may be a little older than some, but 'back in day' that scary word was communism. It was used in the same fashion, with the same alarmist urgency that it would consume us. (Does anybody remember the bomb shelter building phase?)

As they say ' the more things change....' LOL

It too lost it's effectiveness when folks realized that it was just extremists spouting their doomsday crap.
 
BWG said:
Ahhhh, but it's sooooooo scary sounding.

I may be a little older than some, but 'back in day' that scary word was communism. It was used in the same fashion, with the same alarmist urgency that it would consume us. (Does anybody remember the bomb shelter building phase?)

As they say ' the more things change....' LOL

It too lost it's effectiveness when folks realized that it was just extremists spouting their doomsday crap.
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I think that is what disappoints me most, . . . the lack of originality. Seriously, I would appreciate some imagination. :mrgreen: ;)
 
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