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Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

F107HyperSabr said:
Yup you are correct just as bogus as the "poll" that said that 40% of Republicans would move to Kanada if Obama was elected. Well I did not see a big increase in population in Kanada during this past year. Has anyone else ?
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The Republicans remind me of the "living dead".. or brain dead......so they are not counted in any census in Canada.
Interesting spelling of "Canada"...with a "K".
So, maybe they did leave, to be replaced by angry conservatives, racists, tea baggers and Palinites.
 
Remember the Medical Association of America/American Doctor Association do not want for too many people to study medicine. It's a racket really.
But you won't believe me anyways.
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I'd prefer not to believe this, myself, Gray Fox..
But, if so, which I doubt, its a biggie.
When I say "reform", I mean it, this must be changed...or the truth be known..
 
Erod said:
Yeah, let's beat up doctors for what they make, make it harder for them to collect fees due from the goverment (Medicare is a nightmare for them), then hope they'll work extra hard in med school and be even more caring when we're facing colon cancer.
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Surely, this HCR(health care reform) must include provisos for easier collection of money in its 1,800 pages. But, in becoming a wealthy man in medicine...they had best forget this....and learn to deal with paperwork...
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
What is the problem I admitted Canada had a doctor shortage, heck we even have a nursing (RN) shortage. RN in Alberta working 32 hr a week can earn over $60 000. Ones willing to work overtime can make $80 000 and still only work 40 hrs per week

I am saying it is not like the nurses or doctors are generally underpaid, or poorly compensated in other areas

Overall I just dont see more then 5% of US doctors quiting or moving because of this. They just dont have anywhere to go where they will make the same amount of money. No other country will pay them the same (plus they will have to learn a foreign langauge), and there are not that many positions in the US that doctors can do, that would allow for more then at most 5% to quit being doctors
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thank you

a 5% reduction in the number of doctors while at the same time expanding by 31 million the number of folks covered by insurance would be devastating to those of us who currently have plans we like

and the 5% figure is really just off the top of your head, which is fine, you're not passing it off as anything other

the point is---a 22% reduction in doctors pay, or the forcing of them to treat large numbers of medicaid patients they don't really want to make their careers about, whether the right thing to do or wrong, would surely be a significant downward pressure on the number of folks willing to stay in the biz or eager to begin the gig in the first place

i think you underestimate the number of caregivers who, simply out of disgust, quit the affair entirely, either to enter earlier or partial retirement, either to change careers, get into teaching, become a cpa, there are hundreds of possibilities

i personally don't believe 50% will leave but i do feel the disincentives in this bill against people becoming doctors or remaining in the field are significant

just like canada, where the doc shortage has been, apparently, a huge problem for a long, long time

as for languages---my sainted mother very recently had a tia, or mini stroke

she's doing great! today

but in doing a search for geriatric specialists out here in california where i want to move her so i can take care of her i discovered that of the 8 geriatric specialists at john muir (which is less than 5 minutes from my home), 4 spoke foreign tongues----pharsee, vietnamese, tagalog and hindi

at kaiser, my provider, gosh, just about every doc i've seen has been foreign born, which is exciting

my mother loves indian doctors, she feels they are very "intuitive"

you know how moms are, once they get an idea in their heads

thanks for your civility and class, lord

and give my best, sincerely, to your mother

mothers are precious, the pompous prof's topmost priority
 
We've had a nurses shortage off and on for decades here in the states. Some claim we have a doctors shortage now. Was that because of our health care system?

I doubt very seriously doctors will leave a profession that pays as well as theirs does because of this bill. Nor do I think less will train to become doctors. I know fear mongering is the popular tactic of the hour, but the profession still pays very well and all jobs have headaches.
 
earthworm said:
I do not know what to think about this..
Is this a good method?
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It seems to be.
And the patients, the most important ones, how do they endure?
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If they have private insurance they can go to any doctor or hospital they like (if that doctor or hospital accept their insurer). The majority of the doctors working time is on private patients for profit, and their overheads are greatly reduced as the state pays for all of their staff facilities etc as part of the hospital that they would be building and staffing anyway.
The public patients benifit through access to top doctors. The private patients benifit by being able to see said doctors faster, and the further ability to use any kind of treatment they like, not just the ones available from state funds.
 
BTW, have 50% of the doctors quit then? Do we have a list who said they would because we should start chucking those jerks out onto the street ASAP.
 
Well my dad is a doctor and he quit. Not because of the Healthcare Bill, but he still quit his job. So is that like a minor victory?
 
Ikari said:
BTW, have 50% of the doctors quit then? Do we have a list who said they would because we should start chucking those jerks out onto the street ASAP.
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Agreed. But I don't believe anywhere near that will leave, if anyone. Isn't going to happen.
 
The poll is bogus. It won't be 50% but there will be a % that retires early or decides not to go to medical school and we'll end up with less doctors.
 
mpg said:
The poll is bogus. It won't be 50% but there will be a % that retires early or decides not to go to medical school and we'll end up with less doctors.
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That is true, but I believe it is more because it is stressful to be a doctor because of lawsuits more than because of this bill. That is why I am in favor of tort reform, because it may not cost a lot of money, but after a while it takes its toll on the doctors and they begin to not want to continue to work and begin to put themselves under a lot of stress over every case.
 
mpg said:
The poll is bogus. It won't be 50% but there will be a % that retires early or decides not to go to medical school and we'll end up with less doctors.
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At which point an intelligent government would start to cover more of the costs of medical school, allowing for more potential people to enter the proffession

I wish the Alberta government would do that more for Nursing and for Doctors
 
The Prof said:
just like canada, where the doc shortage has been, apparently, a huge problem for a long, long time

as for languages---my sainted mother very recently had a tia, or mini stroke

she's doing great! today

but in doing a search for geriatric specialists out here in california where i want to move her so i can take care of her i discovered that of the 8 geriatric specialists at john muir (which is less than 5 minutes from my home), 4 spoke foreign tongues----pharsee, vietnamese, tagalog and hindi

at kaiser, my provider, gosh, just about every doc i've seen has been foreign born, which is exciting

my mother loves indian doctors, she feels they are very "intuitive"

you know how moms are, once they get an idea in their heads

thanks for your civility and class, lord

and give my best, sincerely, to your mother

mothers are precious, the pompous prof's topmost priority
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Well my mother has had series of medical issues

A serious car crash which nearly removed her foot (the first person in Canada to get a stainless steel ankle joint).

A few back operations to fuse disks due to distintigrating vertebrea(sp)

Breast Cancer a few years ago, ( cleared up)

And most recently Cataracts

I thank god for universal health in this case, as she never had a high paying job, was left deeply in debt when my father died (on the job) and had to raise two childern under the age of 3.
 
i understand

give her my sincere best

i love your mother, if that's ok with you

she sounds like a genuine hero

first stainless steel ankle, huh?

how cool
 
The Prof said:
i understand

give her my sincere best

i love your mother, if that's ok with you

she sounds like a genuine hero

first stainless steel ankle, huh?

how cool
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I love your mother as well

I never wish ill on a persons mother (provided she was a good one).

They generally take most of the crap their kids can deal out and still love them

She is doing good, she can see better now then I do (very near sighted)
I wish for the best for yours as well
 
mpg said:
The poll is bogus. It won't be 50% but there will be a % that retires early or decides not to go to medical school and we'll end up with less doctors.
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Retire early? Maybe. Maybe not. But not go to medical school? I doubt that. Not any serious number, and not something not matched by those who decide to go because of incentives.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
HA! And most doctors say they are their because they enjoy to help people:rofl
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So helping people means they work for nothing right? :roll:
 
American said:
So helping people means they work for nothing right? :roll:
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I had a boss once tell me that if I were in it for the money, I was in the wrong profession (paramedic). :mrgreen:;)
 
Erod said:
Will your personal doctor give up his/her practice if Obamacare passes?
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Just called and made an appointment with mine, so he's still there!
 
American said:
So helping people means they work for nothing right? :roll:
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My niece is a liberal and a political junky and she thinks it's wrong to charge people money for health care. She wants to reduce doctor salaries but she thinks that teacher salaries need to be increased by the government, even though they already make more than what the market dictates.
 
Erod said:
Physician Survey: Health Reform?s Potential Impact on Physician Supply and Quality of Medical Care



This deserves to be in Breaking News in my opinion because it is obviously topical, the results are startling, and the New England Journal of Medicine isn't exactly a politically-charged blog site. There are many references to this article today, but I thought it best to post the survey itself.

Will your personal doctor give up his/her practice if Obamacare passes?

Obama is sickening. He pulls a bunch of white coats up on stage as if the medical community is completely "behind him" on this. Obviously, they are not.

America, this is what the radical left looks like. Like much?
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Sure they are!

They're all going to become greeters at WallyWorld!

Good grief...

... some people will believe anything!

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American said:
So helping people means they work for nothing right?
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Where do cons get the notion that working for a non-profit means working for free?

Nobody is advocating that they take a poverty vow similar to monks...LOL
 
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mpg said:
My niece is a liberal and a political junky and she thinks it's wrong to charge people money for health care. She wants to reduce doctor salaries but she thinks that teacher salaries need to be increased by the government, even though they already make more than what the market dictates.
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Maybe I spoke too soon...LOL...:lol:



But yeah, teachers should make more.
 
BWG said:
But yeah, teachers should make more.
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What about doctors and nurses? Before you answer, you do realize that doctor salaries are low, relative to their education level, right?
 
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