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Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

Conservative said:
Your comparisons are bogus and if you searched hard enough you could find comparisons between all Presidents in some way or another.

None of what you posted is relevant to the real comparison, the belief in the American people vs. belief in the American govt. Who is empowered by tax cuts, govt. or taxpayerse? Which one talks about and promoted the greatness of America? Which one believes in free enterprise and capitalism?

I find no comparison between the tax over of GM/Chrysler to the S&L crisis but apparently you do. Barack Obama is the most radical individual ever to hold the office of the Presidency and is shifting this country hard left. Anyone that believes there is a credible comparison between the vision and actions of Reagan and Obama is totally out of touch with reality and living in their own little dream world.
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There are none so blind as those who will not see.
 
Boo Radley said:
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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This coming from someone so blinded by a desire for universal healthcare that they ignore history and the results of govt. social engineering. I would be careful about calling anyone else blind when you ignore history and actual results.
 
Conservative said:
This coming from someone so blinded by a desire for universal healthcare that they ignore history and the results of govt. social engineering. I would be careful about calling anyone else blind when you ignore history and actual results.
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Nope. I have no such blind spot, and no ideological bend that prevents me from looking at something. :2wave:
 
Boo Radley said:
Nope. I have no such blind spot, and no ideological bend that prevents me from looking at something. :2wave:
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When you look at something do you consider history and actual results? you are betting that universal healthcare is going to deliver the promises of Obama when history has proven that not to be the case yet for some reason you continue to buy the rhetoric, why?
 
Conservative said:
When you look at something do you consider history and actual results? you are betting that universal healthcare is going to deliver the promises of Obama when history has proven that not to be the case yet for some reason you continue to buy the rhetoric, why?
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Sure do. And Universal health care has been rather successful. Not perfect mind you, but effective. Now, we don't have universal health care. We don't have a single provider. So, talk of universal health care is kind of silly in this context.
 
Boo Radley said:
Sure do. And Universal health care has been rather successful. Not perfect mind you, but effective. Now, we don't have universal health care. We don't have a single provider. So, talk of universal health care is kind of silly in this context.
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Define successful? Would you call Greece, Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Britain healthcare successful? Not sure what you are looking at but the streets of Europe are burning due to socialist moves like universal healthcare.

Hopefully as a new department head you will learn a thing or two about business and the weight of social engineering on a companies ability to employ people and grow.
 
Conservative said:
Define successful? Would you call Greece, Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Britain healthcare successful? Not sure what you are looking at but the streets of Europe are burning due to socialist moves like universal healthcare.
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For the most part yes. They are for the most part successful and their people are not asking to do away with it.
 
Boo Radley said:
For the most part yes. They are for the most part successful and their people are not asking to do away with it.
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You use that argument a lot, people not asking to get rid of something. Ever try to take candy from a baby? That is one of the most ridiculous arguments I have ever heard from someone who continues to divert from history and reality. The rioting in the streets of Greece should send a strong message to you but apparently it is going right over your head.
 
Conservative said:
You use that argument a lot, people not asking to get rid of something. Ever try to take candy from a baby? That is one of the most ridiculous arguments I have ever heard from someone who continues to divert from history and reality. The rioting in the streets of Greece should send a strong message to you but apparently it is going right over your head.
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I use it because it is important. There is a reason why people prefer it.

You should also note you simplify the troubles in Greece to the point of being inaccurate. They have a multitude of problems. There problems effect others due to the single currency issue. You might read this:

The Greek Economy Explained - WSJ.com
 
Boo Radley said:
I use it because it is important. There is a reason why people prefer it.

You should also note you simplify the troubles in Greece to the point of being inaccurate. They have a multitude of problems. There problems effect others due to the single currency issue. You might read this:

The Greek Economy Explained - WSJ.com
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The entitlement mentality is the biggest problem facing Greece and every other European Country. It is a mentality that you want to bring here. I doubt seriously that you will remain a department head long unless you change your entitlement mentality.

People are rioting in the street as their country goes bankrupt. I suggest you wise up.
 
Conservative said:
The entitlement mentality is the biggest problem facing Greece and every other European Country. It is a mentality that you want to bring here. I doubt seriously that you will remain a department head long unless you change your entitlement mentality.

People are rioting in the street as their country goes bankrupt. I suggest you wise up.
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More that is your own bias influencing your vision of it. Not very objective at all.

But the point is, the US is not Greece. And our situation is different. And Greece isn't France, or Great Britain, or even Canada. And the US is none of those places either. So constantly going off to places that do not speak to our issue is counter productive.
 
Boo Radley said:
More that is your own bias influencing your vision of it. Not very objective at all.

But the point is, the US is not Greece. And our situation is different. And Greece isn't France, or Great Britain, or even Canada. And the US is none of those places either. So constantly going off to places that do not speak to our issue is counter productive.
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You really are naive. I give you less than a year as a dept. head.
 
500 Doctors have now joined me across the border! Their tales of Gulags and secret police are horrifying... do not fear, we are preparing our assault... more details as they come.

Anti-Communist Out.
 
Conservative said:
The entitlement mentality is the biggest problem facing Greece and every other European Country. It is a mentality that you want to bring here. I doubt seriously that you will remain a department head long unless you change your entitlement mentality.

People are rioting in the street as their country goes bankrupt. I suggest you wise up.
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More that is your own bias influencing your vision of it. Not very objective at all.

But the point is, the US is not Greece. And our situation is different. And Greece isn't France, or Great Britain, or even Canada. And the US is none of those places either. So constantly going off to places that do not speak to our issue is counter productive.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yes, and most likely after also. There isn't much in the health care bill that is gong to stop our runaway costs.
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Agreed. There is some hope that more insured will make hospital mark ups less needed. That could help. But the things that would help most were stripped from the bill. My only hope is that we can add those things later.
 
Boo Radley said:
Agreed. There is some hope that more insured will make hospital mark ups less needed. That could help. But the things that would help most were stripped from the bill. My only hope is that we can add those things later.
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So let me see if I have this correct, you are blaming hospital markups to treat the uninsured as the reason for the high costs of healthcare? Couldn't have anything at all to do with illegals using the healthcare system? Couldn't have anything to do with govt. regulations and the high costs of R&D? Couldn't have anything to do with a shortage of hospitals and doctors? Couldn't have anything to do with frivolous lawsuits? Couldn't have anything to do with hospitals not going after patients who could afford to pay their bills but instead run from their responsibilities?

Your answer to the rising healthcare costs is to increase them on the backs of the taxpayers? Apparently shifting costs from one pocket to another is ok as long as one pocket gets a decrease?

I sincerely hope you learn something as a department head because you haven't learned a thing as a nurse.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Our country isn't far behind, and the cost of health care is a large part of the reason.
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I keep hearing about those rising healthcare costs as being part of the reason for the U.S. becoming more like Greece yet all I hear is rhetoric. Since we have a basic free enterprise society how can anyone say that healthcare costs are 17% of GDP when it is private healthcare costs that are unknown to most?

If 17% of GDP is cut how is that a good thing? Does anyone on the left understand GDP, profits, cost of doing business?
 
Conservative said:
I keep hearing about those rising healthcare costs as being part of the reason for the U.S. becoming more like Greece yet all I hear is rhetoric. Since we have a basic free enterprise society how can anyone say that healthcare costs are 17% of GDP when it is private healthcare costs that are unknown to most?

If 17% of GDP is cut how is that a good thing? Does anyone on the left understand GDP, profits, cost of doing business?
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Is it really your contention that rising health care costs are a good thing, as they add to the GDP?

If that's the case, then let's see if we can increase the cost of housing, food, energy, etc., and really pump up the GDP.
 
Conservative said:
So let me see if I have this correct, you are blaming hospital markups to treat the uninsured as the reason for the high costs of healthcare? Couldn't have anything at all to do with illegals using the healthcare system? Couldn't have anything to do with govt. regulations and the high costs of R&D? Couldn't have anything to do with a shortage of hospitals and doctors? Couldn't have anything to do with frivolous lawsuits? Couldn't have anything to do with hospitals not going after patients who could afford to pay their bills but instead run from their responsibilities?

Your answer to the rising healthcare costs is to increase them on the backs of the taxpayers? Apparently shifting costs from one pocket to another is ok as long as one pocket gets a decrease?
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As a reason, yes. Is there more than one reason? Yes. Should we not fix one reason because we haven't fixed all reasons? No. One step is one step closer than no steps.

And the tax payers are paying now. I keep pointing that out. We pay regardless. It's just a matter of how we pay and how much control we have over it.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Is it really your contention that rising health care costs are a good thing, as they add to the GDP?

If that's the case, then let's see if we can increase the cost of housing, food, energy, etc., and really pump up the GDP.
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Not sure it isn't a good thing as it depends on where the money goes. If it goes to R&D, employing people, improving infrastructure then it is a good thing. Profits aren't bad nor should they be demonized.

Tell me where those high costs go? You are the one posting articles claiming that healthcare costs are 17% of GDP but cannot explain how those costs were registered nor why that is a bad thing since most here don't understand GDP.
 
Conservative said:
Not sure it isn't a good thing as it depends on where the money goes. If it goes to R&D, employing people, improving infrastructure then it is a good thing. Profits aren't bad nor should they be demonized.

Tell me where those high costs go? You are the one posting articles claiming that healthcare costs are 17% of GDP but cannot explain how those costs were registered nor why that is a bad thing since most here don't understand GDP.
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You misunderstand. No one is objecting to profit. You're not really addressing the issue at all. This is about charging us extra to cover those they treat who don't or can't pay. When they don't pay, we do. We pay more. This rises costs across the board.
 
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