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Nearly 50 percent of doctors ready to quit medicine if Healthcare bill passes

I've told you before, I've worked in medicine. Many doctors agree reform is needed, and more than tort reform. A good number speak to needing a two tiered system in which those who can afford pay for care and their own insurance, and another that the government pays for. Care costs money and will never go back to bartering with chickens.

And it is not likely to cost any jobs, and does attempt to encourage growth in primary care doctors, which would also lead to more jobs. So, you may well be wrong with your claims here.

All your opinions yet you ignore what others say, why? It is a fact we have a doctor shortage now and more will be leaving the profession. it is a fact that this bill is flawed yet spends trillions and you call that a good first step? It is a fact that it forces small business to offer insurance and the offset tax credit does not offset the cost of healthcare thus it is a net gain in costs for the employer yet you believe that won't affect jobs?

Boo, you don't seem to have any concept on what it takes to run a business and are blinded by the rhetoric coming from the govt. Get all the facts and make an intelligent decision. We do indeed need healthcare reform but this POS doesn't reform healthcare, it creates a greater entitlement.

I am visiting Ohio and just took my parents to the doctor. Their doctor is getting out of the business because of healthcare reform, his words not mine, and he stated that others are doing that as well. Now someone is wrong here and I am not prepared to support your whims and opinions when it costs the taxpayers trillions. Is that how you handle your personal finances?
 
All your opinions yet you ignore what others say, why? It is a fact we have a doctor shortage now and more will be leaving the profession. it is a fact that this bill is flawed yet spends trillions and you call that a good first step? It is a fact that it forces small business to offer insurance and the offset tax credit does not offset the cost of healthcare thus it is a net gain in costs for the employer yet you believe that won't affect jobs?

Boo, you don't seem to have any concept on what it takes to run a business and are blinded by the rhetoric coming from the govt. Get all the facts and make an intelligent decision. We do indeed need healthcare reform but this POS doesn't reform healthcare, it creates a greater entitlement.

I am visiting Ohio and just took my parents to the doctor. Their doctor is getting out of the business because of healthcare reform, his words not mine, and he stated that others are doing that as well. Now someone is wrong here and I am not prepared to support your whims and opinions when it costs the taxpayers trillions. Is that how you handle your personal finances?

I haven't ignored. I acknowledged a shortage, but show why I believe your over stating it. And have shown measures taken to encourage more doctors. And I will welcome any actual evidence that any measurable number of doctors are actually getting out. Invite your mothers doctor to support your statement. Provide any verifiable evidence that any significant number are leaving and that more aren't entering.
 
I want the hospitals to bill the state department for illegal alien treatment and reduce that amount of foreign aid from the country of origin.

Then I want ICE called and the illegals returned to their country of origin.

then I want the govt. to control the borders and stop this bs.

Ok...I'll buy that, but in the meantime...

Federal law prohibits private hospitals from denying anyone access to emergency room treatment. So, until the law is changed, everyone regardless of their financial or immigration status has to be seen by emergency room staff.

(BTW, you do realize you've just proved my point right there in bold that it's moreso the states not necessarily the fed that run social programs inefficiently?)
 
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I haven't ignored. I acknowledged a shortage, but show why I believe your over stating it. And have shown measures taken to encourage more doctors. And I will welcome any actual evidence that any measurable number of doctors are actually getting out. Invite your mothers doctor to support your statement. Provide any verifiable evidence that any significant number are leaving and that more aren't entering.

There is no guarantee that this healthcare bill will create more doctors and we know we have a problem now. What happens if you are wrong? Hard to prove that more will leave as the bill doesn't go into effect for another 4 years yet you are willing to take the risk. For someone in the healthcare business aren't you putting the cart before the horse? Create the doctors before adding more to the roles. In addition why was this report withheld?

You are supporting an Administration that continues to lie to you for personal gain and power.

DEMOCRATS HID DAMNING HEALTH CARE REPORT FROM PUBLIC UNTIL A MONTH AFTER VOTE
Gateway Pundit ^ | 04/27/10 | Jim Hoft



A damning health care report generated by actuaries at the Health and Human Services (HHS) Department was given to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius more than a week before the health care vote. She hid the report from the public until a month after democrats rammed their nationalized health care bill through Congress.

The results from the report were troubling. The report released by Medicare and Medicaid actuaries shows that medical costs will skyrocket rising $389 billion 10 years. 14 million will lose their employer-based coverage. Millions of Americans will be left without insurance. And, millions more may be dumped into the already overwhelmed Medicaid system. 4 million American families will be hit with tax penalties under this new law.
 
Is nobody counting the quitters? How many so far?

It appears the ones claiming they would, now have as much credibility as those that claimed there would be death panels!
 
It appears the ones claiming they would, now have as much credibility as those that claimed there would be death panels!

When does the healthcare bill so called benefits go into effect? According to published reports we have a doctor shortage now so what happens when another 30 million are forced into the healthcare system?

Interesting how the resident geniuses here are quick to ask for an accounting of doctors leaving the business due to a healthcare bill that hasn't even gone into effect.
 
There is no guarantee that this healthcare bill will create more doctors and we know we have a problem now. What happens if you are wrong? Hard to prove that more will leave as the bill doesn't go into effect for another 4 years yet you are willing to take the risk. For someone in the healthcare business aren't you putting the cart before the horse? Create the doctors before adding more to the roles. In addition why was this report withheld?

You are supporting an Administration that continues to lie to you for personal gain and power.

DEMOCRATS HID DAMNING HEALTH CARE REPORT FROM PUBLIC UNTIL A MONTH AFTER VOTE
Gateway Pundit ^ | 04/27/10 | Jim Hoft



A damning health care report generated by actuaries at the Health and Human Services (HHS) Department was given to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius more than a week before the health care vote. She hid the report from the public until a month after democrats rammed their nationalized health care bill through Congress.

The results from the report were troubling. The report released by Medicare and Medicaid actuaries shows that medical costs will skyrocket rising $389 billion 10 years. 14 million will lose their employer-based coverage. Millions of Americans will be left without insurance. And, millions more may be dumped into the already overwhelmed Medicaid system. 4 million American families will be hit with tax penalties under this new law.

Perhaps you can link the actual report. Your source here seems less than credible. I would like to examine it further.

As for certainties, there are none either way. Never will be. But we know we were foundering before reform. There was a shortage before reform. Costs were rising before reform. We were paying for others before reform. Doing nothing, not even trying was and is not an option.
 
Perhaps you can link the actual report. Your source here seems less than credible. I would like to examine it further.

As for certainties, there are none either way. Never will be. But we know we were foundering before reform. There was a shortage before reform. Costs were rising before reform. We were paying for others before reform. Doing nothing, not even trying was and is not an option.

Would you spend your own money to this degree on an uncertainty? That is the problem today with so many, trillions means nothing. There are ways to cut costs but none have been addressed. This bill adds people which is supposed to lower costs but when people opt out it leaves those with health problems in the system and that raises the costs of all.

It is very easy to find the information I posted, Google it.
 
Would you spend your own money to this degree on an uncertainty? That is the problem today with so many, trillions means nothing. There are ways to cut costs but none have been addressed. This bill adds people which is supposed to lower costs but when people opt out it leaves those with health problems in the system and that raises the costs of all.

It is very easy to find the information I posted, Google it.

Like everyone else, I've been spending it on the certainty that costs will rise, premiums will rise, and paying more and more for people who don't pay their fair share. So, yes, I'll invest in a chance to change that.
 
Like everyone else, I've been spending it on the certainty that costs will rise, premiums will rise, and paying more and more for people who don't pay their fair share. So, yes, I'll invest in a chance to change that.


Since nothing in this bill lowers costs all the govt. has done is spend trillions in creating another entitlement. Sounds like a pretty poor investment to me.
 
Since nothing in this bill lowers costs all the govt. has done is spend trillions in creating another entitlement. Sounds like a pretty poor investment to me.

You're going in a circle again. Cost are but part of the problem.


More than 6,000 uninsured and underinsured people in Los Angeles are expected to receive free medical care - at least temporarily - at a large mobile clinic run by the non-profit, RAM -- or Remote Area Medical. The clinic will operate at the site in L.A. for 7 days. With California’s $20 billion deficit and deep cuts to healthcare in the state, the need for medical care has grown urgent for many. Dolores M. Bernal reports from Los Angeles.

Mobile clinic to offer free health care to uninsured in Los Angeles | FSRN - Free Speech Radio News

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Begun in 1985 as a mobile health clinic serving undeveloped countries and later rural America, Remote Area Medical provides various medical services through units to people who are largely unable to gain access to health care. Officials from the organization said they believed that this week’s event in Los Angeles constituted the largest free health care event in the country, with the arena and all supplies and services provided free to the group. Other expenses were covered by the group’s fund-raising.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/health/13clinic.html

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CRHO3J2lWA"]YouTube- Free Health Care For People in Los Angeles at the Forum 08/12/2009[/nomedia]

But, as we've noted, there is a possibility with more work and further reform that this movement will lead to lower costs.
 
You're going in a circle again. Cost are but part of the problem.


More than 6,000 uninsured and underinsured people in Los Angeles are expected to receive free medical care - at least temporarily - at a large mobile clinic run by the non-profit, RAM -- or Remote Area Medical. The clinic will operate at the site in L.A. for 7 days. With California’s $20 billion deficit and deep cuts to healthcare in the state, the need for medical care has grown urgent for many. Dolores M. Bernal reports from Los Angeles.

Mobile clinic to offer free health care to uninsured in Los Angeles | FSRN - Free Speech Radio News

13clinic_600.jpg


Begun in 1985 as a mobile health clinic serving undeveloped countries and later rural America, Remote Area Medical provides various medical services through units to people who are largely unable to gain access to health care. Officials from the organization said they believed that this week’s event in Los Angeles constituted the largest free health care event in the country, with the arena and all supplies and services provided free to the group. Other expenses were covered by the group’s fund-raising.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/health/13clinic.html

YouTube- Free Health Care For People in Los Angeles at the Forum 08/12/2009

But, as we've noted, there is a possibility with more work and further reform that this movement will lead to lower costs.

Wow, and they did this without Govt. Run Healthcare? How can that be? We have a "free" healthcare clinic in my community as well so tell me again why we need the Federal Govt. to get involved in local and state issues?

This is a local and state issue and should be handled exactly this way. Wonder how many of these people are illegal's?
 
Wow, and they did this without Govt. Run Healthcare? How can that be? We have a "free" healthcare clinic in my community as well so tell me again why we need the Federal Govt. to get involved in local and state issues?

This is a local and state issue and should be handled exactly this way. Wonder how many of these people are illegal's?

See Boo? Free health clinics for the poor make everything fine. Kind of like welfare means the economy is fine. :roll:
 
Wow, and they did this without Govt. Run Healthcare? How can that be? We have a "free" healthcare clinic in my community as well so tell me again why we need the Federal Govt. to get involved in local and state issues?

This is a local and state issue and should be handled exactly this way. Wonder how many of these people are illegal's?

Yep, just like they do third world countries. Something to be proud of no doubt.

And even if the state handled it, though few have, it would still be along the same lines, presenting the same solutions. Not to mentions states can opt out by coming up with their own plans. Perhaps you should spend your energy arguing your state should step up? ;)
 
Yep, just like they do third world countries. Something to be proud of no doubt.

And even if the state handled it, though few have, it would still be along the same lines, presenting the same solutions. Not to mentions states can opt out by coming up with their own plans. Perhaps you should spend your energy arguing your state should step up? ;)

It doesn't seem to be the problem in my state as it is yours but in my state citizens accept personal responsibility. Maybe you ought to look up the definition and stop diverting from that real issue.
 
It doesn't seem to be the problem in my state as it is yours but in my state citizens accept personal responsibility. Maybe you ought to look up the definition and stop diverting from that real issue.

Do you know where my state is?

Reform calls for personal responsibility. It requires those who can be responsible and get insurance.
 
Hey Erod, just wanted to check in again. Did you find all those doctors that quit? I haven't been able to find them either. They didn't flee up here to Canada so, again if you find them please let me know. :mrgreen:

Jetboogieman,

You will need to check back on May 7 when the April employment data is released. FWIW, the March employment report stated, "Employment in health care continued to increase in March (27,000), with the largest gains occurring in ambulatory health care services (16,000) and in nursing and residential care facilities (9,000)."
 
Do you know where my state is?

Reform calls for personal responsibility. It requires those who can be responsible and get insurance.

Still waiting for where the Constitution forces people to buy personal responsibility issues? Insurance is available now to millions who choose not to purchase it. No one needs this govt. POS to create another entitlement program. Different day, same story from you.
 
Do you know where my state is?

Reform calls for personal responsibility. It requires those who can be responsible and get insurance.

Keep buying what the govt. tells you and all you will end up with are higher taxes and more debt to pay for.

So people will be forced to buy insurance?

The IRS will be the enforcer — sort of.

While the IRS can impose liens or levies, seize property or seek jail time against people who don't pay taxes, it's barred from taking such actions against taxpayers who ignore the insurance mandate. In the arsenal instead: the ability to withhold refunds from taxpayers who decline to pay the penalty, IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman said this month.

Still, compliance with the health reform law will be largely voluntary, says Timothy Jost, a law professor at Washington and Lee University. "By taking criminal sanctions and liens and levies off the table, the IRS' hands are tied, to a considerable extent."

The IRS is "being put in a position where it will be sending notices that will annoy people" and not much else, says James Maule, professor of law at Villanova University and author of the tax blog MauledAgain. "It's basically designed for failure."
 
Still waiting for where the Constitution forces people to buy personal responsibility issues? Insurance is available now to millions who choose not to purchase it. No one needs this govt. POS to create another entitlement program. Different day, same story from you.

The court will settle this one. You don't have to accept anything anyone says. There will be a ruling.
 
The court will settle this one. You don't have to accept anything anyone says. There will be a ruling.


You are accepting Administration claims that this will cut costs when logic and common sense based upon the details in the bill and history says differently
 
You are accepting Administration claims that this will cut costs when logic and common sense based upon the details in the bill and history says differently
Who's history ?
Do away with all of the insurance and prices/costs will drop, this is common sense.
To be truthful I neither believe the Democrats nor the Republicans. Politics and the truth are as oil and water.
But, I'd sooner believe the liberals as opposed to the tea-baggers.
 
Who's history ?
Do away with all of the insurance and prices/costs will drop, this is common sense.
To be truthful I neither believe the Democrats nor the Republicans. Politics and the truth are as oil and water.
But, I'd sooner believe the liberals as opposed to the tea-baggers.

I see, so in spite of historical data as to the failures of liberal social programs you still believe liberal rhetoric? Now that truly is funny. Some people simply want to be made a fool of.
 
When does the healthcare bill so called benefits go into effect? According to published reports we have a doctor shortage now so what happens when another 30 million are forced into the healthcare system?

Interesting how the resident geniuses here are quick to ask for an accounting of doctors leaving the business due to a healthcare bill that hasn't even gone into effect.

Interesting how you either unintentionally, or purposefully, misread the survey results. Notice the keyword I highlighted?

"46.3% of primary care physicians (family medicine and internal medicine) feel that the passing of health reform will either force them out of medicine or make them want to leave medicine."


And you have heard the HCR already passed didn't you?

Where is the mass exodus from the practice?

Where are the death panels?
 
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