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Obama Socialist Health care program....

disneydude said:
Lies and propoganda:
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Speaking of lies and propaganda:

Originally Posted by disneydude
Perhaps its because I believe that others should have access to healthcare and that maybe healthcare shouldn't be a luxury that only an elite few should have.
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An elite few? This truthless hyperoble is born of desperation.
If there are 30M uninsured in the country -- the number of people The Obama's plan is supposed to cover -- then >270,000,000 people have the luxury of health care.
270,000,000 Americans are 'the elite few'?
:rofl
 
Goobieman said:
Speaking of lies and propaganda:



An elite few? This truthless hyperoble is born of desperation.
If there are 30M uninsured in the country -- the number of people The Obama's plan is supposed to cover -- then >270,000,000 people have the luxury of health care.
270,000,000 Americans are 'the elite few'?
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I was referring to the fact that if we keep on with the current system and its exponential rise in healthcare costs, it won't take long until healthcare is enjoyed by only the elite few.
 
disneydude said:
I was referring to the fact that if we keep on with the current system and its exponential rise in healthcare costs, it won't take long until healthcare is enjoyed by only the elite few.
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Yes... which is truthless hyperoble is born of desperation.
 
Goobieman said:
Yes... which is truthless hyperoble is born of desperation.
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Except for the fact that the numbers would support what I am saying.
You do understand don't you, the exponential rise in the cost of healthcare over the last decade?
You understand, do you not the fewer and fewer people in this country are able to afford healthcare?

Or are you clinging to those right-wing talking points?
 
disneydude said:
You do understand don't you, the exponential rise in the cost of healthcare over the last decade?
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And I guess you understand the advancements that have been made over the last decade... You know.. the ones that were brought about by the "evil" free markets.... that are certain NOT happen under Government run healthcare?

You seriously want to rollback all the advancements in medicine gained over the past decade?
 
disneydude said:
Except for the fact that the numbers would support what I am saying.
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Show this to be true, to the extent that you claim

You do understand don't you, the exponential rise in the cost of healthcare over the last decade?
You understand, do you not the fewer and fewer people in this country are able to afford healthcare?
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Funny that you say this....
And then, this.
Or are you clinging to those right-wing talking points?
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Such irony.
 
Goobieman said:
Show this to be true, to the extent that you claim


Funny that you say this....
And then, this.

Such irony.
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You must be living on the moon if you have no idea what is going on with healthcare in this country. Even most GOP supporters admit that the healthcare system is in a crisis mode, even if they disagree with the healthcare bill. I guess others just stick their head in the sand.

From the Unites States Department of health and human services:
National Healthcare Expenditures
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From 1970 to 2008, health care spending in the United States is projected to increase from $74.9 billion to $2.4 trillion, an increase of over 3000%.1

Of the many different challenges facing American Healthcare, the rising cost of healthcare is the paramount problem in our system. The exponential increase of the nation’s total healthcare expenditures over the past decades and the projected future trajectory of these costs will continue to have devastating consequences for the nation as a whole. Importantly, figures regarding national healthcare expenditures include the costs associated with both public and private healthcare, meaning healthcare’s rising cost cannot be blamed on one form of the system but rather on the system as a whole. The cold hard truth is that as a nation we lead the world in healthcare spending, yet only receive a system whose quality ranks 37th in the world (WHO 2007). By examining the rise in healthcare costs to the nation as a whole, the trends we find are disturbing and without change, it only stands to get worse.

In 2007, America’s healthcare spending alone would represent the world’s seventh largest economy.
The United States currently spends more on healthcare than on food or housing. 2
By 2015, it is projected that US health spending will double from over $2 to nearly $4 trillion per year, going from 17% to 20% of GDP. 3
Citation:
1 Overview National Health Expenditure Data

2 Modern Healthcare, December 2007

3 Overview National Health Expenditure Data
 
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ConservaBill said:
And I guess you understand the advancements that have been made over the last decade... You know.. the ones that were brought about by the "evil" free markets.... that are certain NOT happen under Government run healthcare?

You seriously want to rollback all the advancements in medicine gained over the past decade?
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Why would regulating the insurance industry have any effect on research development. You don't believe that the insurance companies are the ones conducting the research do you?
 
disneydude said:
You must be living on the moon if you have no idea what is going on with healthcare in this country. Even most GOP supporters admit that the healthcare system is in a crisis mode, even if they disagree with the healthcare bill. I guess others just stick their head in the sand.
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Translation: You're just going with the party line.

National Healthcare Expenditures
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From 1970 to 2008, health care spending in the United States is projected to increase from $74.9 billion to $2.4 trillion, an increase of over 3000%.
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Compare and contrast this with rising costs in other areas. Make sure to control for population increase as well as the advancement of technology.

In 2007, America’s healthcare spending alone would represent the world’s seventh largest economy.
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Given our third-largest population, this isn't much of a surprise, or of much significance.

By 2015, it is projected that US health spending will double from over $2 to nearly $4 trillion per year, going from 17% to 20% of GDP.
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Wow. That's crippling. :roll:

Watch out there, chicken little - the sky is on the way down.

This "health care crisis" scare is nothing more than an excuse for the government to take over 20% of the US econonmy, just like AGW is an excuse for the govermnemt to strangle the economy -- as such, your truthless hyperbole fits right in.
 
Goobieman said:
Translation: You're just going with the party line.


Compare and contrast this with rising costs in other areas. Make sure to control for population increase as well as the advancement of technology.


Given our third-largest population, this isn't much of a surprise, or of much significance.


Wow. That's crippling. :roll:

Watch out there, chicken little - the sky is on the way down.

This "health care crisis" scare is nothing more than an excuse for the government to take over 20% of the US econonmy, just like AGW is an excuse for the govermnemt to strangle the economy -- as such, your truthless hyperbole fits right in.
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I guess its obvious that you fit into the latter category that I discussed above in post 157. :doh
 
disneydude said:
I guess its obvious that you fit into the latter category that I discussed above in post 157. :doh
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What's -more- obvious is that, as evidenced by your inability to create an effective response to my post, your 'grasp' of the situation is limited to the party line that you follow - just as I said two posts ago.

Imagine where liberalism would be, if not for the useful idiots.
 
Navy Pride said:
I don't care if your a Republican, Democrat, Conservative, or Liberal The Obama Administration is trying to bankrupt this country with a socialist health care program that will get in your pocket book big time........You retired military guys on Tricare Plus or for Life will lose it or have huge premium increases..Medicare will be cut $500. Mil The deficit will balloon....There is much more......

Please go to the below site and voice your dissatisfaction with this plan.........It only takes a minute...

Free Our Healthcare Now
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Somehow, these threads shouldn't be started by a man who will be sucking on the Government's healthcare teat for the rest of his (your) life.

Anyone else see a conflict of interest here?
 
Goobieman said:
What's -more- obvious is that, as evidenced by your inability to create an effective response to my post, your 'grasp' of the situation is limited to the party line that you follow - just as I said two posts ago.

Imagine where liberalism would be, if not for the useful idiots.
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What "effective" response would you expect to a post that offered nothing other than mere denials that a problem exists?

Obviously, it you cannot see that there is a serious problem than anything that anyone would offer in terms of a response would be met with nothing other than further denial from you.

So what's the point? :2wave:
 
Mickey Shane said:
Somehow, these threads shouldn't be started by a man who will be sucking on the Government's healthcare teat for the rest of his (your) life.

Anyone else see a conflict of interest here?
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Triple dipping.
 
disneydude said:
What "effective" response would you expect to a post that offered nothing other than mere denials that a problem exists?
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This is a lie.

My post asked you to show that the information you provided was significant, especially in the terms that you used, and belittled the signficance of two of the 'fact' you presented.

Your response? Ineffective - but not a surprise, given the noted depth of your understanding.

So, in the context of the claim you made, that 'only the eflite few will have health care':
-Compare and contrast the claimed 3200% increase over almost 40 years with rising costs in other areas. Make sure to control for population increase as well as the advancement of technology.
-Show how America’s healthcare spending alone would represent the world’s seventh largest economy is meaningful, given that we have the world;s third largest ppoluation
-Show how a 3% gain in GDP share over 7 years meaninglfully supports your claim.

Note that I do not expect that you will actually try to do this.

Obviously, it you cannot see that there is a serious problem than anything that anyone would offer in terms of a response would be met with nothing other than further denial from you.
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Even more obviously, if you cannot address the three points, above, you do not have sufficient grasp of the situation to have an infomed opinion regarding same, and as such, any positions taken by you are baed on your adherence to the party line, sheer, abject, wanton ignorance, or both.

Imagine where liberalism would be, if not for the useful idiots.
 
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disneydude said:
Absolutely. Going into law school I thought I wanted to go into entertainment law or something where I would make a ton of money.

I actually could have done so, but decided that I didn't want to live my life working in a large law firm pushing paper for 18 hours a day.

I am very passionate about my work in that I get the satisfaction of knowing that on a small level I am able to help people out. on a larger level, hopefully some of the work I do will have a beneficial effect on society.
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You could do better to adopt a more Conservative philosophy and become a prosecutor.
 
Bassman said:
You could do better to adopt a more Conservative philosophy and become a prosecutor.
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Honest Prosecutors are an important part of the criminal justice system and I have a lot of respect for the good and thoughtful ones that operate within the system.
However, what I knew about the DA system really turned me off which is why I went into criminal defense.
Many DA's offices are very cut-throat. People get promoted by stepping on their colleagues. They are not very congenial offices. Also, there is little autonomy within DA's offices. Most DA's have little discretion on how to handle a case and have to get supervisor approval for every thing that they do. I've never been an answer to authority kinda guy.
 
Mickey Shane said:
Somehow, these threads shouldn't be started by a man who will be sucking on the Government's healthcare teat for the rest of his (your) life.

Anyone else see a conflict of interest here?
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Another lefty who hates our military and is so jealous of them.....They sure show their true colors.........All of us that have retired after years years service have fulfilled a contract with the government and have earned every benefit we get and don't forget it my far out left wing friend......We served so lazy people like you would not have to............
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Navy Pride said:
Another lefty who hates our military and is so jealous of them.....They sure show their true colors.........All of us that have retired after years years service have fulfilled a contract with the government and have earned every benefit we get and don't forget it my far out left wing friend......We served so lazy people like you would not have to............
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The problem is...you are not content to draw one salary off the government. You were happy to say that you triple dip off the government.
 
Bassman said:
You could do better to adopt a more Conservative philosophy and become a prosecutor.
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That will never happen.....He would rather try and get people who are guilty of murder and rape off.......That is who makes all the money..........Can you say OJ Simpson............Disgusting........
 
Navy Pride said:
That will never happen.....He would rather try and get people who are guilty of murder and rape off.......That is who makes all the money..........Can you say OJ Simpson............Disgusting........
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My job is not to get people off. My job is to ensure that the government not bring someone to trial without sufficient evidence of their guilt. If the government fails to do their job, that is either because there was insufficient proof to begin with or the government messed up the case.
We exist to keep the government honest.
 
disneydude said:
The problem is...you are not content to draw one salary off the government. You were happy to say that you triple dip off the government.
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You better study your notes I draw only one annuity and that is a Navy Pension......I receive income from SS and a 401K which I paid into............

Nice try though my jealous friend..............
 
Navy Pride said:
You better study your notes I draw only one annuity and that is a Navy Pension......I receive income from SS and a 401K which I paid into............

Nice try though my jealous friend..............
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...fine....but why you rail against others who collect social security then?
 
disneydude said:
My job is not to get people off. My job is to ensure that the government not bring someone to trial without sufficient evidence of their guilt. If the government fails to do their job, that is either because there was insufficient proof to begin with or the government messed up the case.
We exist to keep the government honest.
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I could post some great one liners here about lawyers but I won't lower myself to your label..........
 
Navy Pride said:
I could post some great one liners here about lawyers but I won't lower myself to your label..........
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Go for it....just make sure that they are applicable. Most of the time you try to post ones that really aren't relevant.

I love a good lawyer joke though.
 
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