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Obama government to regulate sport fishing

I don't fish - I don't even eat fish.

But I can't help but think, every time a new regulation comes around, that what's really going on is someone's pissed because they're losing grocery food-sales to those who fish or hunt.

I'm not sure how much things cost, now, but I know quite a few people who fish for food - and their catch is the main staple of their diet.

What does that translate to in food they might have bought from the store instead? I think it would cost more to purchase the said amount of fish from a store rather than catch it yourself - even including tackle, license, etc etc.

Of course, I'm just an outsider speculating, but I think part of the 'anti' crowd is populated with corporate hounds looking out for their actuarial dollar.
 
Crunch said:
Didn't mean to derail your thread..... I saw this story this morning and said to myself..... I said self, next thing they are going to try to take away is my right to breath. Then I saw the thread on the EPA and CO2 emissions and thought, too late.

I sometimes wonder if Barry is long stocks in a rope manufacturer….. Or maybe he’s just stupid!
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Read the reports of people that knew him when he got his adjunct position handed to him as a lecturer or during his stint in Illinois state politics. They will tell you...it's "he's just that stupid." Its actually quite what Joe Biden said, he is a clean, articulate, well spoken black man. Thats it...thats his qualifications. He can read a speech like nobody's business. Leadership skills? Nah...its obvious that the kids are in charge of the country and there IS no leadership.
 
ConservaBill said:
ABOSOFREEKINLUETY it WORKS...!!

Simple things like adjusting a size limit from 12" to 16" does amazing things in a RESPONSIBLE manor... over time.
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So why are the fish declining?

Closing a fishery for one species (like the snapper closing)does horrible things.. It massively increases one part of the food chain annihilating the lower parts of the chain and overfeeds that above it... what happens then is the "protected" species population soars temporarily, it's food species are wiped out.. It's predators expand first then the "protected" species starves as it's food source nears extinction, followed by it's hyper-inflated predator population... the entire system then crashes...
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I haven't endorsed closing a fishery for one species. Nor has Obama's government as far as I know.

AGAIN this NOT about saving poor little fishies!
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Right, it's about socialism or black helicopters or something.
 
So why are the fish declining?

I don't deny it requires action, but like I said they are NOT concerned about that, if they were you would see a comprehensive ADJUSTMENT to creel and size limits, which are historically, and undeniably effective. It does NOT require UN Governance!

I haven't endorsed closing a fishery for one species. Nor has Obama's government as far as I know.

Then you simply have not been paying attention,. I don't blame you for that. You and MANY other Americans are being PURPOSEFULLY misinformed, and under-informed.

See "Snapper Closures". This is EXACTLY what WON'T work and IS NOT working now.. like I said ask THE ONES who work there!



Right, it's about socialism or black helicopters or something.[/QUOTE]

NOT SOCIALISM (that is an over simplification designed to wake up the ignorant).. It IS however MARXIST-PROGRESSIVISM and one-world governance (Clinton's words NOT MINE!).. Refer to 1920's, American socialists (liberals) and/or nazis (conservatives)..

It's all about "conspiracy" (another M-P tactic) until the cattle-car leaves the station... I am sorry we allowed you to become indoctrinated.. I WAS TOO! You must save yourself and your children, we can not do it for you.

I wish you and yours the best, and pray you discover the truth soon.
 
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misterman said:
So why are the fish declining?
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They're declining?



I haven't endorsed closing a fishery for one species. Nor has Obama's government as far as I know.
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No, not yet, but this regulation--that is being done behind closed doors--will enable the government to do exactly that.



Right, it's about socialism or black helicopters or something.
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You're exactly right.
 
Won't be long before I put in at Hudson Bay and head out towards the Middle Grounds. I guarantee you I won't be 3 miles out before I cut my circle hooks off and put on J hooks. One red and 5 gag groupers? That sucks. Or has that reg's changed, yet again.

That was "Bush government."


Maybe I'll practice a little "fillet and release." :rofl
 
ConservaBill said:
I don't deny it requires action, but like I said they are NOT concerned about that, if they were you would see a comprehensive ADJUSTMENT to creel and size limits, which are historically, and undeniably effective. It does NOT require UN Governance!
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Who is talking about the UN?

The UN is not going to bother sport fishermen.

Then you simply have not been paying attention,. I don't blame you for that. You and MANY other Americans are being PURPOSEFULLY misinformed, and under-informed.
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Then post a link that shows it.
 
apdst said:
They're declining?
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Some are, yes.

No, not yet, but this regulation--that is being done behind closed doors--will enable the government to do exactly that.
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How do you know? What are you referring to? Post a link.
 
ConservaBill said:
Ok.... Now I just HATE you! :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
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You're welcome to join me. Just know that when we point the bow west, we ain't coming back for 2 days. (Weather permitting.)
 
misterman said:
Who is talking about the UN?

The UN is not going to bother sport fishermen.



Then post a link that shows it.
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Ohh.. but you obviously weren't aware we are talking about Obama's nominees directly from Pew, Tides etc... but here's a ditty on the first measures we are talking about.. REMEMBER: nudge, nudge...

By Patrik Jonsson Patrik Jonsson – Tue Mar 9, 6:17 pm ET

Atlanta – The Obama administration has proposed using United Nations-guided principles to expand a type of zoning to coastal and even some inland waters. That’s raising concerns among fishermen that their favorite fishing holes may soon be off-limits for bait-casting. In the battle of incremental change that epitomizes the American conservation movement, many weekend anglers fear that the Obama administration’s promise to “fundamentally change” water management in the US will erode what they call the public’s “right to fish,” in turn creating economic losses for the $82 billion recreational fishing industry and a further deterioration of the American outdoorsman’s legacy. Proponents say the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force established by President Obama last June will ultimately benefit the fishing public by managing ecosystems in their entirety rather than by individual uses such as fishing, shipping, or oil exploration. “It’s not an environmentalist manifesto,” says Larry Crowder, a marine biologist at Duke University in North Carolina. “It’s multiple-use planning for the environment, and making sure various uses … are sustainable.” (Amateur outdoorsmen have been fighting for their rights for years, as the Monitor reports here.)
 
ConservaBill said:
Ohh.. but you obviously weren't aware we are talking about Obama's nominees directly from Pew, Tides etc... but here's a ditty on the first measures we are talking about.. REMEMBER: nudge, nudge...

By Patrik Jonsson Patrik Jonsson – Tue Mar 9, 6:17 pm ET

Atlanta – The Obama administration has proposed using United Nations-guided principles to expand a type of zoning to coastal and even some inland waters. That’s raising concerns among fishermen that their favorite fishing holes may soon be off-limits for bait-casting. In the battle of incremental change that epitomizes the American conservation movement, many weekend anglers fear that the Obama administration’s promise to “fundamentally change” water management in the US will erode what they call the public’s “right to fish,” in turn creating economic losses for the $82 billion recreational fishing industry and a further deterioration of the American outdoorsman’s legacy. Proponents say the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force established by President Obama last June will ultimately benefit the fishing public by managing ecosystems in their entirety rather than by individual uses such as fishing, shipping, or oil exploration. “It’s not an environmentalist manifesto,” says Larry Crowder, a marine biologist at Duke University in North Carolina. “It’s multiple-use planning for the environment, and making sure various uses … are sustainable.” (Amateur outdoorsmen have been fighting for their rights for years, as the Monitor reports here.)
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Finally! But please post a link so we can all read the whole thing and see the source.

First of all, the UN would have absolutely no power over this. They just developed the principles. So enough of this "UN control" crap.

Second, notice that the goal is to sustain fisheries, which benefits everyone. Duh. You can argue that there's no fish problem (good luck with that) or that this solution won't help, but don't make it into another goofy paranoid conspiracy.
 
As I posted in another thread first (which was moved and I got a violation for it) the editor is running away as fast as he can from Montgomery's opinion article although that hasn't stopped the I hate Obama crowd from blaming him.

Regrettably, we made several errors in the editing and presentation of this installment. Though our series has included numerous news stories on the topic, this was not one of them -- it was an opinion piece, and should have been clearly labeled as commentary.

And while our series overall has examined several sides of the topic, this particular column was not properly balanced and failed to represent contrary points of view. We have reached out to people on every side of the issue and reported their points of view -- if they chose to respond -- throughout the series, but failed to do so in this specific column.


ESPNOutdoors.com: From the editor - ESPN
 
EnigmaO01 said:
As I posted in another thread first (which was moved and I got a violation for it) the editor is running away as fast as he can from Montgomery's opinion article although that hasn't stopped the I hate Obama crowd from blaming him.

Regrettably, we made several errors in the editing and presentation of this installment. Though our series has included numerous news stories on the topic, this was not one of them -- it was an opinion piece, and should have been clearly labeled as commentary.

And while our series overall has examined several sides of the topic, this particular column was not properly balanced and failed to represent contrary points of view. We have reached out to people on every side of the issue and reported their points of view -- if they chose to respond -- throughout the series, but failed to do so in this specific column.


ESPNOutdoors.com: From the editor - ESPN
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Nice find.

So half of us clearly saw it was an unbalanced, unsupported article and the other half swallowed it whole. As usual.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
that hasn't stopped the I hate Obama crowd from blaming him.
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I ONLY blame Obama for putting the most radical, semi-psychotic, human haters like Janet L., he could find to positions like her's, just like the Diversity Czar of the FCC Marl Lloyd, and Cass Sustien, etc.. LEFT FRINGE WACKOS!

If he would avoid putting these psycho-commies in positions of power he would not look like such a radical progressive himself and MAYBE folks would have a different impression of his appointees and their radical anti-human agendas.... probably not.

Bush (progressive-R POS) had a great deal to do with what's going on and doesn't get a pass either. What is going on on the federal level makes absolutely NO sense unless you look at the progressive agenda and then it all becomes clear..
 
ConservaBill said:
I ONLY blame Obama for putting the most radical, semi-psychotic, human haters like Janet L., he could find to positions like her's, just like the Diversity Czar of the FCC Marl Lloyd, and Cass Sustien, etc.. LEFT FRINGE WACKOS!

If he would avoid putting these psycho-commies in positions of power he would not look like such a radical progressive himself and MAYBE folks would have a different impression of his appointees and their radical anti-human agendas.... probably not.
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Here's a crazy idea - decide what Obama is going to do by what he actually says and does. In other words, don't go around saying he's going to regulate sport fishing until he says "I'm going to regulate sport fishing" or proposes such a regulation. No, that's crazy - paranoid internet rumors are so much more reliable.
 
misterman said:
Here's a crazy idea - decide what Obama is going to do by what he actually says and does. In other words, don't go around saying he's going to regulate sport fishing until he says "I'm going to regulate sport fishing" or proposes such a regulation. No, that's crazy - paranoid internet rumors are so much more reliable.
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By then, it may be too late. It was too late with Stalin and Pol Pot.
 
apdst said:
By then, it may be too late. It was too late with Stalin and Pol Pot.
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But that would mean you would have to assume the absolute worst from every single leader all the time before they do anything, which is absurd. You can't predict who is going to be a Stalin or Pol Pot until they give you a reason. You have no reason with Obama.

And it would also mean that regulating sport fishing (which is already regulated anyway) is the equivalent of mass murder. It is not. Regulating fishing is a constitutional power of the U.S. government and also not going to hurt you that much, so comparing it to Stalin and Pol Pot is over the top.
 
It's the "fear factor" thingy misterman.

Worry not. Most folks are "hip" to the tactic now and it goes in one ear and out the other.

Let the scardy cats wallow in their paranoia. Enjoy the view. :mrgreen:
 
Captain America said:
It's the "fear factor" thingy misterman.

Worry not. Most folks are "hip" to the tactic now and it goes in one ear and out the other.

Let the scardy cats wallow in their paranoia. Enjoy the view. :mrgreen:
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I'm not worried. I lived through this black helicopter lunacy with Clinton. It's just interesting to see who will hold onto the conspiracy theory to the bitter end, and how far they'll go. Kind of like watching the Birthers invent even more ridiculous theories to cover the last debunked one.
 
misterman said:
I'm not worried. I lived through this black helicopter lunacy with Clinton. It's just interesting to see who will hold onto the conspiracy theory to the bitter end, and how far they'll go. Kind of like watching the Birthers invent even more ridiculous theories to cover the last debunked one.
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On a brighter note, the more fringe righties we have out there the better the chances are that we will never have to suffer through another Bush-like administration. They split the GOP and it's over. :mrgreen:
 
Captain America said:
On a brighter note, the more fringe righties we have out there the better the chances are that we will never have to suffer through another Bush-like administration. They split the GOP and it's over. :mrgreen:
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Yep, Palin, Beck, the Teabaggers - they keep on coming.
 
misterman said:
Here's a crazy idea - decide what Obama is going to do by what he actually says and does. In other words, don't go around saying he's going to regulate sport fishing until he says "I'm going to regulate sport fishing" or proposes such a regulation. No, that's crazy - paranoid internet rumors are so much more reliable.
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I trusted OBLABBA for exactly 4 days of his Presidency.. 4 days too long I guess!



"go 'round sayin'.... ???? It ALREADY STARTED...!!! ...under W. !!.....

Holysweetmother of Jesus!! Do NOT assume me a fool... I know of what I speak!

You can't be serious about waiting for Obama to "say" he's going to do something.. He doesn't say what he going to do... and doesn't do what he says he's going to. He can NOT be trusted AT ALL! ...Wait for him to say it...??.. I don't THINK SO!

OBAMA told us QUOTE: "If you want to know what I'm thinking look at those around me"...

WELL I've looked and if you hold him to his word.. he is an anti-American (Ayers), Anti-capitalist (Mark LLoyd), Communist (Van Jones), Marxist (himself book 1 and 2), Maoist... ... I'm JUST taking him at his word!
 
ConservaBill said:
I trusted OBLABBA for exactly 4 days of his Presidency.. 4 days too long I guess!



"go 'round sayin'.... ???? It ALREADY STARTED...!!! ...under W. !!.....

Holysweetmother of Jesus!! Do NOT assume me a fool... I know of what I speak!

You can't be serious about waiting for Obama to "say" he's going to do something.. He doesn't say what he going to do... and doesn't do what he says he's going to. He can NOT be trusted AT ALL! ...Wait for him to say it...??.. I don't THINK SO!

OBAMA told us QUOTE: "If you want to know what I'm thinking look at those around me"...

WELL I've looked and if you hold him to his word.. he is an anti-American (Ayers), Anti-capitalist (Mark LLoyd), Communist (Van Jones), Marxist (himself book 1 and 2), Maoist... ... I'm JUST taking him at his word!
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Through all that sputtering, I see the same old guilt by association, combined with goofy unsupported claims.

yeah, he's a Moaist who's going to take away your constitutional right to fish. Whatever.
 
ConservaBill said:
I trusted OBLABBA for exactly 4 days of his Presidency.. 4 days too long I guess!



"go 'round sayin'.... ???? It ALREADY STARTED...!!! ...under W. !!.....

Holysweetmother of Jesus!! Do NOT assume me a fool... I know of what I speak!

You can't be serious about waiting for Obama to "say" he's going to do something.. He doesn't say what he going to do... and doesn't do what he says he's going to. He can NOT be trusted AT ALL! ...Wait for him to say it...??.. I don't THINK SO!

OBAMA told us QUOTE: "If you want to know what I'm thinking look at those around me"...

WELL I've looked and if you hold him to his word.. he is an anti-American (Ayers), Anti-capitalist (Mark LLoyd), Communist (Van Jones), Marxist (himself book 1 and 2), Maoist... ... I'm JUST taking him at his word!
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Do you, like, TRY to sound this crazy or is this a natural talent?
 
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