Re: President Obama to Say Democrats Will Use Reconciliation to Pass Senate Health Ca
just because you inferred it doesn't mean i implied it. a majority of people also don't think republicans have done enough to work for reform, or are you going to deny that as well?
Lets see what you wrote again:
2/3 of the people want healthcare reform, that tells me that republicans don't, as ever, give a crap about what the public wants.
So 2/3 of people want health care reform. Republicans aren't capitulating to Obama's current version of health care reform. Therefore republicans don't give a crap about what the public wants.
I'm sorry, I'm PRETTY sure the only way to interpret that is to say you're implying that those 2/3rds want THIS health care plan.
Why do I say that?
Because Republicans HAVE been trying to do reform. They've had websites detailing their plans and their suggestions for months. They've sent their plans to the President. They've stated their plans in the media and on the senate floor. So the Republicans, like 2/3rds of the American People, have been trying for health care reform.
So for you to say that THIS particular action tells you that Republicans don't care about what the Public wants it MUST mean that you are claiming 2/3rds of the public want OBAMA's health care reform....because if you were meaning simply ANY kind of reform then the second part of your statement would've been the dishonest part instead because republicans HAVE been trying for reform.
So, which is it liblady?
Were you being dishonest implying that 2/3rds of the American Public want Obama or the democrats reform.
or
Were you being dishonest that Republicans weren't attempting to push for some kind of reform, just as 2/3rds of the public wants?
Since you're so upset that you're called out on your dishonest attempts I'd just like to know which one I should address to make sure you get the least offended.
btw...here was my exact post, i'm sorry if you think it was devious. that's actually laughable, when my point has been throughtout this thread that reps have obstructed instead of coming to the table honestly to work something out. they have not by any stretch of the imagination been willing to give an inch. remember waterloo?
Very simple really.
Remove the notion of a public option, a trigger for a public option, or expansion of the current public options we have with penalties to people providing the chance for private options and you'll find a chance to work on compromises.
The Democrats are
just as guilty of obstructing this as republicans. Will the republicans budge off that point on principle? No. But neither will the Democrats! You can't bitch and complain about the Republicans standing on principle while giving the democrats the pass for doing the same.
So if you're going to bitch, bitch at them both, and call for that to be removed. Then compromise may be able to happen.
But if you tell someone "I'm going to kill you in an amazingly painful way" and they go "No, can't we agree on something else" going "Okay, I'll kill you in a less painful way" isn't going to suddenly make them go "Okay" because the part they whole heartily can not agree with is still there.
Republicans may not like a lot of the things that Democrats are pushing but there is nothing more diametrically opposed to their principles, AND to the principles of the electorate that elected them (Oh, well, **** those people...they're republicans...they're representatives aren't supposed to vote or act in such a way that represents them. That's ridiculous! :roll
than the further expansion of the government through greater government controlled health care.
Democrats know damn well what the biggest hurdle is to getting Republican support and they're being JUST as stubborn with it, refusing to let it go away just as stubbornly as Republicans are refusing to budge on anything that has something resembling government health care in it. Yet your pathetic bitching and moaning about Republicans blocking it (Something they cant' even really do) is just that, pathetic. Because it shows your utter and complete lack of objectivity.
So instead you want to jam it along and continue to throw this country into the gutter of politics. Spare me you ****ing cries of "CLINTON!!!!". You're no better than the Republicans then that cared nothing about the integrity of this country and simply for making a political mockery. And you're no better than the Democrats who were threatening fillibusters on judicial nominee's. And you're no better than Republicans who stupidly attempted to use Reconciliation for ANWAR, and yes like this THAT also was a ridiculous use of it. You're pathetic and worthless attempts at rationalizing and excusing the Democrats literally raping the Democratic system by going "Well the Republicans did it to" is the disgusting rationale used by 3rd graders who justify why they stole something out of the corner store because their buddy did it too.
You want Health Care reform and you want to refuse to remove the one part that is the utter and complete wall between compromise? Fine. Do it without completely ****ting upon the rules of the congress and setting the precedent for this country to continually be ass raped by politicians that don't give a damn about this country and simply want to push their agendas in hopes of it getting them elected because once reconciliation not only works for a bull**** situation like this that has NO BUSINESS being used on AND it gets passed by a President we're going to see this become the norm for every future congress...Democrat or Republican...and excuse me if "Well the Republicans played dirty with Clinton" isn't going to suddenly make me silent about the destruction of our legislative process.
This is wrong...
This would be wrong if Republicans were in its place using it to drill in ANWR or ban gay marriage or force school voucher programs and its wrong if Democrats are doing it. Something that is wrong is wrong regardless of the side, or the reasons. There are hypocrites on both sides, both Republicans that didn't speak out about it when it was being used for ANWR but are now and Democrats that spoke out then but aren't now. However, people being hypocrites doesn't mean that EITHER side should be doing something that is just frankly wrong and harmful to this country and passing this through reconciliation will be just that.