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Toyota: Dems 'not industry friendly'

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By: Jake Sherman
February 21, 2010 05:20 PM EST

Internal Toyota documents derided the Obama administration and Democratic Congress as “activist” and “not industry friendly," a revelation that comes days before the giant automaker's top executives testify on Capitol Hill amid a giant recall.
According to a presentation obtained under subpoena by the House Oversight and Government Relations committee, Toyota referred to the “changing political environment” as one of its main challenges and anticipated a "more challenging regulatory" environment under the Obama administration's purview.
This document, in addition to piles of other records, will be front and center this week as the Japanese automaker girds to face lawmakers hungry for answers about a recall that has the company teetering.
Upwards of 8 million cars have been recalled in the U.S. and worldwide, amid reports of Toyota's vehicles accelerating rapidly. The problems have turned political, as the company has shuttered some American factories, potentially resulting in layoffs.
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The Democrat enemy list is growing.
 
I think the remark about Dems support of Detroit is key here. Toyota has little to fear from further regulation of automobiles in terms of carbon emissions, since their fleet as marketed in the US has the highest fuel efficiency of any car maker.
 
Rassales said:
I think the remark about Dems support of Detroit is key here. Toyota has little to fear from further regulation of automobiles in terms of carbon emissions, since their fleet as marketed in the US has the highest fuel efficiency of any car maker.
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What is your guess as to what they meant by this:

"Toyota referred to the "more challenging regulatory" environment under the Obama administration's purview."
 
Rassales said:
I think the remark about Dems support of Detroit is key here. Toyota has little to fear from further regulation of automobiles in terms of carbon emissions, since their fleet as marketed in the US has the highest fuel efficiency of any car maker.
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Carbon emissions are but one small issue in the auto regulation field (and emissions are a completely different thing than fuel efficiency :doh ). They are being investigated due to the fact that so many Toyota makes/models are failing in extremely dangerous ways, and the concern over the injuries and deaths associated with these failures isn't remotely partisan.

Unless you're saying that conservatives/Republicans don't own Toyotas, don't give a crap that they are dangerous vehicles, and would therefore never impose safety regulations on an auto maker that produces unsafe cars.

:roll:
 
Toyota directly benefited in the '70's and beyond from regulation that basically forced the big three to turn on a dime and retool, as well, Toyota is not as heavily unionized. During the major regulatory years Toyotas were already small, efficient vehicles and the big three were not, so of course the imports had an advantage. Now that the big T is having quality problems exposed after all these years all of a sudden they are griping? Live by regs die by regs I say.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Toyota directly benefited in the '70's and beyond from regulation that basically forced the big three to turn on a dime and retool, as well, Toyota is not as heavily unionized. During the major regulatory years Toyotas were already small, efficient vehicles and the big three were not, so of course the imports had an advantage. Now that the big T is having quality problems exposed after all these years all of a sudden they are griping? Live by regs die by regs I say.
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I think you are oversimplifying things, and if Glinda thanks you you're in trouble.
 
Rassales said:
I think the remark about Dems support of Detroit is key here. Toyota has little to fear from further regulation of automobiles in terms of carbon emissions, since their fleet as marketed in the US has the highest fuel efficiency of any car maker.
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of course, honda says otherwise.
 
Frankly, I take that as a compliment since in 2007, it seems Toyota was given a lighter recall due to the Bush Administration.

Those of you who want to attack Democrats on this, I wonder if you would be singing this tune if you had a family member die because of a problem with a Toyota that Toyota was aware of. Maybe not, though. :roll:

Let me remind people that my family has owned Toyotas since 1984. I have a 1996 Toyota Camry.

Claims by Toyota in internal documents that it saved money by obtaining a limited recall from regulators in 2007 will also create problems for the automaker's president when he testifies before U.S. lawmakers this week.

Toyota, in an internal presentation in July 2009 at its Washington office, said it saved $100 million or more by negotiating an "equipment recall" of floor mats involving 55,000 Toyota Camry and Lexus ES350 vehicles in September 2007.

The savings are listed under the title, "Wins for Toyota — Safety Group." The document cites millions of dollars in other savings by delaying safety regulations, avoiding defect investigations and slowing down other industry requirements.

The documents could set off alarms in Congress over whether Toyota put profits ahead of customer safety and pushed regulators to narrow the scope of recalls.

Toyota gets grand jury subpoena over recalls - Autos- msnbc.com
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Toyota should be ashamed of itself.
 
aps said:
Frankly, I take that as a compliment since in 2007, it seems Toyota was given a lighter recall due to the Bush Administration.

Those of you who want to attack Democrats on this, I wonder if you would be singing this tune if you had a family member die because of a problem with a Toyota that Toyota was aware of. Maybe not, though. :roll:

Let me remind people that my family has owned Toyotas since 1984. I have a 1996 Toyota Camry.



Toyota should be ashamed of itself.
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I don't buy foriegn cars. If me, or my family members are going to die because of a design flaw, then by God, they're going to die in an American car.
 
Glinda said:
Carbon emissions are but one small issue in the auto regulation field (and emissions are a completely different thing than fuel efficiency :doh ). They are being investigated due to the fact that so many Toyota makes/models are failing in extremely dangerous ways, and the concern over the injuries and deaths associated with these failures isn't remotely partisan.
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Nor does our interest in Toyota's recalls have anything to do with regulation. Products that are patently unsafe don't need regulation to be illegal.

Unless you're saying that conservatives/Republicans don't own Toyotas, don't give a crap that they are dangerous vehicles, and would therefore never impose safety regulations on an auto maker that produces unsafe cars.

:roll:
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No, but I would say that conservatives/Republicans are less interested in regulating markets so as to benefit domestic producers because they are much more trusting in the market.
 
apdst said:
I don't buy foriegn cars. If me, or my family members are going to die because of a design flaw, then by God, they're going to die in an American car.
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.... I'm sure that will make you feel better. :shock:
 
aps said:
Frankly, I take that as a compliment since in 2007, it seems Toyota was given a lighter recall due to the Bush Administration.

Those of you who want to attack Democrats on this, I wonder if you would be singing this tune if you had a family member die because of a problem with a Toyota that Toyota was aware of. Maybe not, though. :roll:

Let me remind people that my family has owned Toyotas since 1984. I have a 1996 Toyota Camry.



Toyota should be ashamed of itself.
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The key here is that Toyata got away with alot under many administrations, not just any one. I hate what the democratic party wants as far as social policy, but I can't argue that if one auto manufacturer has to follow safety regs, etc. and they are to be heavily enforced, then all of them should be on that level playing field. Toyota did dishonest business, people got hurt, and the payment is coming due.
 
Funny how conservatives are willing to take advice from foreigners when it matches their views...
 
Deuce said:
Funny how conservatives are willing to take advice from foreigners when it matches their views...
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I have no clue of where you are going with this?
 
apdst said:
I don't buy foriegn cars. If me, or my family members are going to die because of a design flaw, then by God, they're going to die in an American car.
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There is practically no such thing as an "American" car.

Guess who just built a plant in my state?
Kia, along with the Honda parts makers, the Volkswagen plants and many other "foreign" car companies.

Now take a look at where many "American" cars are being built.
A lot of those cars and parts are being put together south of the border in Mexico.
 
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