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Obama's federal government can weatherize your home for only $57,362 each

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Obama's federal government can weatherize your home for only $57,362 <em>each</em> | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times

Well you may ask 'How do they arrive at that $57,362 figure per house?'

Quote from article(The Energy folks did tell ABC they've so far spent 522-million Recovery Act dollars on the program. So, let's see, about 9,100 homes divided into that chunk of stimulation change to believe in is -- gee! -- about $57,362 worth of very expensive weatherstripping for each home fixed up so far.

Seems believable for a federal program.)

A little unfair as there are bound to be administrative costs associated with any program.

Nonetheless plans as to how this and other schemes are to be carried out must in future be studied and perfected (in so far as is possible) in advance.
To merely set up an expensive administrative empire without actual thought as to the implementation of the intended scheme strikes me as being naive.

Unfortunately President Obama appears to believe that setting up these various committees to suggest and then oversee their programs is sufficient.
That the implementation of the Program will be automatic.

Sorry President Obama, but life only works like that in a Communist Manifesto.
 
jujuman13 said:
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Obama's federal government can weatherize your home for only $57,362 <em>each</em> | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times

Well you may ask 'How do they arrive at that $57,362 figure per house?'

Quote from article(The Energy folks did tell ABC they've so far spent 522-million Recovery Act dollars on the program. So, let's see, about 9,100 homes divided into that chunk of stimulation change to believe in is -- gee! -- about $57,362 worth of very expensive weatherstripping for each home fixed up so far.

Seems believable for a federal program.)

A little unfair as there are bound to be administrative costs associated with any program.

Nonetheless plans as to how this and other schemes are to be carried out must in future be studied and perfected (in so far as is possible) in advance.
To merely set up an expensive administrative empire without actual thought as to the implementation of the intended scheme strikes me as being naive.

Unfortunately President Obama appears to believe that setting up these various committees to suggest and then oversee their programs is sufficient.
That the implementation of the Program will be automatic.

Sorry President Obama, but life only works like that in a Communist Manifesto.
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They have to pay $52,000 to pay bureaucrats to process the paperwork.
 
I have a better idea. Obama's federal government can kiss my ass for free.
 
jujuman13 said:
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Obama's federal government can weatherize your home for only $57,362 <em>each</em> | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times

Well you may ask 'How do they arrive at that $57,362 figure per house?'

Quote from article(The Energy folks did tell ABC they've so far spent 522-million Recovery Act dollars on the program. So, let's see, about 9,100 homes divided into that chunk of stimulation change to believe in is -- gee! -- about $57,362 worth of very expensive weatherstripping for each home fixed up so far.

Seems believable for a federal program.)

A little unfair as there are bound to be administrative costs associated with any program.

Nonetheless plans as to how this and other schemes are to be carried out must in future be studied and perfected (in so far as is possible) in advance.
To merely set up an expensive administrative empire without actual thought as to the implementation of the intended scheme strikes me as being naive.

Unfortunately President Obama appears to believe that setting up these various committees to suggest and then oversee their programs is sufficient.
That the implementation of the Program will be automatic.

Sorry President Obama, but life only works like that in a Communist Manifesto.
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That article is complete bull pucky. I know for a fact because, as a manager of an HVAC contracting company, I KNOW what is available under the stimulus. I sell systems almost every day, and part of the sale is letting homeowners know what is available in the way of "money back".

Homeowners, during the 2009-2010 time period that is covered by the Obama stimulus, can claim 30% of the money spent on energy saving projects, up to a MAXIMUM OF $1,500.00 as a tax credit on the following year's taxes. The $1,500.00 maximum is for the full 2 year period for which the stimulus is in effect. That is all. Nothing else from the Government, although customers can receive rebates from manufacturers. Those rebates are a few hundred dollars, and have nothing to do with the Federal government. They are absorbed by manufacturers and contractors, each of which provides 50% of each rebate as a cost of doing business.

This is certainly orders of magnitude less than the lie you linked to.
 
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apdst said:
They have to pay $52,000 to pay bureaucrats to process the paperwork.
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That's not true either. The homeowner merely fills out an IRS form 5695 and includes it with his tax return.
 
danarhea said:
That article is complete bull pucky. I know for a fact because, as a manager of an HVAC contracting company, I KNOW what is available under the stimulus. I sell systems almost every day, and part of the sale is letting homeowners know what is available in the way of "money back".

Homeowners, during the 2009-2010 time period that is covered by the Obama stimulus, can claim 30% of the money spent on energy saving projects, up to a MAXIMUM OF $1,500.00 as a tax credit on the following year's taxes. The $1,500.00 maximum is for the full 2 year period for which the stimulus is in effect. That is all. Nothing else from the Government, although customers can receive rebates from manufacturers. Those rebates are a few hundred dollars, and have nothing to do with the Federal government. They are absorbed by manufacturers and contractors, each of which provides 50% of each rebate as a cost of doing business.

This is certainly orders of magnitude less than the lie you linked to.
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The fact remains that an inordinate amount of taxpayers cash is being wasted.
How many extra jobs have been created by the HVAC company you work for?
How many extra jobs have been created for doing work this program is supposed to be creating?
What is the increase in sales as a result of this program?
 
jujuman13 said:
The fact remains that an inordinate amount of taxpayers cash is being wasted.
How many extra jobs have been created by the HVAC company you work for?
How many extra jobs have been created for doing work this program is supposed to be creating?
What is the increase in sales as a result of this program?
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The facts are what the facts are, which I already stated. The maximum is $1,500.00 over a two year period for those homeowners who DO upgrade their homes. My point in why I posted what I did was to expose the lie that it is more than 50 grand per home. Please try to keep up, and not to attempt to obfuscate the fact that I exposed it for what it is. The thread topic was more than 50 grand per home. That is what I responded to. Don't try and change the subject. I caught you posting this lie, pure and simple.
 
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danarhea said:
The facts are what the facts are, which I already stated. The maximum is $1,500.00 over a two year period for those homeowners who DO upgrade their homes. My point in why I posted what I did was to expose the lie that it is more than 50 grand per home. Please try to keep up, and not to attempt to obfuscate the fact that I exposed it for what it is. The thread topic was more than 50 grand per home. That is what I responded to. Don't try and change the subject. I caught you posting this lie, pure and simple.
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So what are you covering up here? A man that gets this nasty must have an issue.
 
American said:
So what are you covering up here? A man that gets this nasty must have an issue.
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Typical conservative. Caught in a lie, blame the person who calls you on it.
 
Deuce said:
Typical conservative. Caught in a lie, blame the person who calls you on it.
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Actually I think it is more true of people in general rather than just a typical conservative.

That being said Danarhea explained pretty well where the OP is wrong.
 
soccerboy22 said:
Actually I think it is more true of people in general rather than just a typical conservative.

That being said Danarhea explained pretty well where the OP is wrong.
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It was how he did, that matters. The OP put up an article and made a few comments that did not warrant that kind of response.
 
American said:
It was how he did, that matters. The OP put up an article and made a few comments that did not warrant that kind of response.
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I thought it was a bit harsh at times, but not nearly as bad as it seems you are making it out to be.
 
Well, if each person can only claim up to 30% of their tidbits within a two year period - up to $1,500 then why did the government need to allocate 5billion for the entire program and overall focus?

The program isn't even all paid-through. They've only processed 522million of it - not all 5billion . . . and only 9,000 people (homes) have benefited.

So - where'd the money go?
Well - the point of the article is that it WENT down the drain - straight to the bureaucratic septic tank.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Well, if each person can only claim up to 30% of their tidbits within a two year period - up to $1,500 then why did the government need to allocate 5billion for the entire program and overall focus?

The program isn't even all paid-through. They've only processed 522million of it - not all 5billion . . . and only 9,000 people (homes) have benefited.

So - where'd the money go?
Well - the point of the article is that it WENT down the drain - straight to the bureaucratic septic tank.
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That is part of the lie. More than 4,000 homes in the Houston area alone were affected last year. Just my company alone sold 50 new systems that qualified.

The reason few people have received no money SO FAR is that almost all those who did work last year on their homes won't see a penny of it until AFTER they file their tax returns, which they haven't done yet. Most people still have not filed their tax returns yet. This benefit comes in the form of a TAX CREDIT. Duhhhh. And that article, my friend, is a good example of what is known as lying by misrepresenting the data. For proof of that, just wait about 12-15 weeks or so, when all the tax returns for last year have been processed.

And nothing went into the bureaucratic septic tank either. All that is needed to claim the credit is to fill out one single solitary form (an IRS form 5695), and send it in with your tax return.
 
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danarhea said:
The facts are what the facts are, which I already stated. The maximum is $1,500.00 over a two year period for those homeowners who DO upgrade their homes. My point in why I posted what I did was to expose the lie that it is more than 50 grand per home. Please try to keep up, and not to attempt to obfuscate the fact that I exposed it for what it is. The thread topic was more than 50 grand per home. That is what I responded to. Don't try and change the subject. I caught you posting this lie, pure and simple.
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You are talking about a completely different tax credit than the weatherization program. The $1500 energy credit is for improving the efficiency of your house by installing new HVAC equipment, new windows, new roof, extra insulation, or high efficiency wood burning stoves. This program gives you a tax credit for up to $1500 for installing these items. You must pay for the improvements then apply for a tax credit.

The program in the OP is a weatherization program for low income people ONLY. The government pays someone to conduct an energy audit, then recommend and install, free of charge, improvements. This program will pay much more than the $1500 energy credit and the people that get it don't have to pay anything out of pocket.

And the weatherization program does have a massive administrative overhead.


Tax Credit Program

Weatherization Program
 
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danarhea said:
That is part of the lie. More than 4,000 homes in the Houston area alone were affected last year. Just my company alone sold 50 new systems that qualified.

The reason few people have received no money SO FAR is that almost all those who did work last year on their homes won't see a penny of it until AFTER they file their tax returns, which they haven't done yet. Most people still have not filed their tax returns yet. This benefit comes in the form of a TAX CREDIT. Duhhhh. And that article, my friend, is a good example of what is known as lying by misrepresenting the data. For proof of that, just wait about 12-15 weeks or so, when all the tax returns for last year have been processed.

And nothing went into the bureaucratic septic tank either. All that is needed to claim the credit is to fill out one single solitary form (an IRS form 5695), and send it in with your tax return.
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I installed a new front door and patio sliding door a few years ago and got some tax credit.
 
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