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CNN poll: 52% say Obama doesn't deserve reelection in 2012

Re: Only 44% say they would vote Obama in 2012

Dittohead not! said:
When did it become the job of the president to take care of our country?
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That seems to be the position of many in this country who seem to have lost the concept of personal responsibility and have adopted one of an entitlement mentality

Presidents are the first to be blamed for one's own personal failures because it is easier placing blame vs. accepting responsibility.
 
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USA-1 said:
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

This is exactly why we keep electing the worst people possible. People like you settle for mediocrity.
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If Bush is mediocre what does that make Gore and Kerry?????:rofl
 
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USA-1 said:
September 17, 1787
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Is that what you learned in school? We do not elect a King.

Why don't you read your tag line and then try to comprehend what promote vs provide means.

We have a Representative Democracy and the President is elected to lead the nation but not trample on individual rights or the Constitution.
 
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USA-1 said:
But you were happy with the way Bush took care of our country.

Results?
Bush presided over the worst attack on US soil in history.
Bush started a costly war in Iraq when Iraq was not a threat to our security.
Bush left the economy in shambles.
Bush doubled the debt.

Yeah those are results you can be proud of.:roll:
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1. Clinton was to busy with Monica to worry about security
2. Everyone was for taking out Saddam when they thought he had WMD.
3. The economy is 10 times worse now.
4. Obama has tripled it in a year.............
 
Re: Only 44% say they would vote Obama in 2012

Dittohead not! said:
Even worse than the liberal Republican that party nominated?
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You better believe it...........It must be challenging for you being a member of a forum where there are opinions that differ from yours unlike whistlestopper which was all liberal and if you were conservative you got banned........The main reason WS when belly up...........
 
Re: Only 44% say they would vote Obama in 2012

USA-1 said:
You really do live in your own little dream world don't you? :rofl

It was growth fueled by debt. The recession was caused by the democrats taking control of congress? You have to be kidding. :rofl
It is obvious you have been brainwashed, so I am done here. I can not debate ignorance.
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You were done before you started..............
 
I disagree with the whole premise of this thread.

1. You can't take too much from one poll. Obama's still polling at or near 50% in a lot of approval polls. You can't just take one you like and base everything off of it. Considering that Bush ended his presidency with approval ratings in the high 20s, I really don't see Obama as a terribly unpopular president.

2. As several people have mentioned, this is just one moment in time. There's
still 2 years to go before the election. The U.S. has had a very rough year economically. You may not like Obama's policies, but I don't think anyone can seriously argue that he did not inherit most of them. Also, the economy seems to be showing signs of recovery. If things get seriously better by 2012, Obama will likely be a highly popular candidate who will be very hard to beat.

3. As several people have said, it depends a lot on who runs against him. You can't just assume that, just because someone doesn't think he deserves to be re-elected, that they will automatically vote for the other candidate. Many people voted for Bush in 2004 even though they didn't like him because they liked Kerry less. If the Republicans were to nominate Sarah Palin, I suspect that would assure Obama's re-election.

4. Finally, I think it's possible there might even be a Third Party challenge from the Tea Party group. If that were the case, the conservatives would be split and Obama could win with 40% or less.
 
Re: Only 44% say they would vote Obama in 2012

Navy Pride said:
1. Clinton was to busy with Monica to worry about security
2. Everyone was for taking out Saddam when they thought he had WMD.
3. The economy is 10 times worse now.
4. Obama has tripled it in a year.............
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Correct so far.

Obama and Bush tripled the deficit, Bush decided to invade Iraq because god told him to, and Rummy said it would all be over in less than six months.

What a team. Aren't you glad that the president is limited by the Constitution as to what damage they can cause? Just imagine what we would have if the pres really were a king.
 
Re: Only 44% say they would vote Obama in 2012

Dittohead not! said:
Correct so far.

Obama and Bush tripled the deficit, Bush decided to invade Iraq because god told him to, and Rummy said it would all be over in less than six months.

What a team. Aren't you glad that the president is limited by the Constitution as to what damage they can cause? Just imagine what we would have if the pres really were a king.
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Yes Obama has almost destroyed this country in one year......at least it took Bush 8.........
 
Re: Only 44% say they would vote Obama in 2012

Navy Pride said:
Yes Obama has almost destroyed this country in one year......at least it took Bush 8.........
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That's really funny. :)

Bush inherited a country at peace that had the first budget surplus in years. He created the biggest deficit ever up to that time. He ignored warnings from the Clinton admin about El Qaeda. He invaded a foreign country on false pretenses and that invasion began a quagmire. He subverted the Constitution, brought ultra-partisanship into all government agencies, bungled the response to Hurricane Katrina, and those are only the things I can think of off the top of my head.

Obama inherited the worst economy in 70 years, a healthcare system in crisis, two wars, and all sorts of other problems. It's true that the economy continues to be bad and that a lot of other problems remain unsolved. But saying Obama is worse than Bush is a complete joke.
 
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DenverGreg;1058576566]That's really funny. :)

Bush inherited a country at peace that had the first budget surplus in years. He created the biggest deficit ever up to that time. He ignored warnings from the Clinton admin about El Qaeda. He invaded a foreign country on false pretenses and that invasion began a quagmire. He subverted the Constitution, brought ultra-partisanship into all government agencies, bungled the response to Hurricane Katrina, and those are only the things I can think of off the top of my head.
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Please tell us where you get your information, there was no budget surplus when you remove SS which shouldn't be on budget anyway.

Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act that called for the removal of Saddam Hussein.

Seems the further we get from Clinton the more people distort his record. Unfortunately he was an opportunity lost.

People who supported Clinton shouldn't be talking about Bush circumventing the Constitution. It is a violation of the Constitution for the President of the United States to break the laws regarding lying under oath.

Obama inherited the worst economy in 70 years, a healthcare system in crisis, two wars, and all sorts of other problems. It's true that the economy continues to be bad and that a lot of other problems remain unsolved. But saying Obama is worse than Bush is a complete joke
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Please tell me what Obama did as a Senator and how he isn't just as responsible for the mess as Bush? You seem to be out of touch with reality and buy what you are told by the media. Please do some research and get the facts.
 
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Conservative said:
Please tell us where you get your information, there was no budget surplus when you remove SS which shouldn't be on budget anyway.
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It is generally recognized by nearly everyone that there was a budget surplus when Clinton left office. Your position is a fringe view. I'm not going to waste time rebutting it.

Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act that called for the removal of Saddam Hussein.
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Even if true, so what? He didn't launch the invasion/quagmire.

Seems the further we get from Clinton the more people distort his record. Unfortunately he was an opportunity lost.

People who supported Clinton shouldn't be talking about Bush circumventing the Constitution. It is a violation of the Constitution for the President of the United States to break the laws regarding lying under oath.
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I have never defended Clinton's lying about Lewinski. However, he did not institute unconstitutional wiretaps, kidnap and torture prisoners, or throw people in prison for years without trials. If you think Clinton's tryst with Lewinski is worse, then that's your right. I would strongly disagree with that, however.


Please tell me what Obama did as a Senator and how he isn't just as responsible for the mess as Bush? You seem to be out of touch with reality and buy what you are told by the media. Please do some research and get the facts.
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Wow, I thought these things were supposed to be civil.

Again, we were already in the throes of this economic crisis BEFORE OBAMA TOOK POWER. How in the world could he be equally responsible for things that took place BEFORE HE CAME TO OFFICE? Was he using microwaves to control the brain of Bush? It wouldn't surprise me if you thought that because it seems in line with your other views.
 
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=DenverGreg;1058576654]It is generally recognized by nearly everyone that there was a budget surplus when Clinton left office. Your position is a fringe view. I'm not going to waste time rebutting it.
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No, my view comes from the U.S. Treasury Dept. website which is the checkbook of the United States. You ought to get the facts vs. buying what "everyone" else tells you. Check out where that surplus came from, use of SS funds. Was that the intent of SS funds?

http://fms.treas.gov/annualreport/annrpt00.pdf


Even if true, so what? He didn't launch the invasion/quagmire.
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"Quagmire"? Right out of the leftwing manual. Check out the Democratic quotes which led up to the war in Iraq. These are the people that had the same intelligence information as Bush. The Senate was under control of the Democrats and voted 76-23 in favor of the war, supported the war until the war turned south and even remained negative as Bush turned the tide and won the war. Obama has adopted the Bush doctrine in Iraq and the Bush Secretary of Defense.



I have never defended Clinton's lying about Lewinski. However, he did not institute unconstitutional wiretaps, kidnap and torture prisoners, or throw people in prison for years without trials. If you think Clinton's tryst with Lewinski is worse, then that's your right. I would strongly disagree with that, however.
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Neither did Bush, but that isn't what the leftwing is going to tell you. Had Bush done what you and the left claimed, why wasn't he impeached? Democrats preferred to have the talking points to the facts.



Again, we were already in the throes of this economic crisis BEFORE OBAMA TOOK POWER. How in the world could he be equally responsible for things that took place BEFORE HE CAME TO OFFICE? Was he using microwaves to control the brain of Bush? It wouldn't surprise me if you thought that because it seems in line with your other views.
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You really don't know how our govt. works, do you? obama was in the Senate when the housing crisis bubble burst. He and the Democrats prevented Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac oversight rules to be even debated. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd did more damage to the financial institution along with Obama and his ties to ACORN than Bush ever could or did.

Obama Caught in a Major ACORN Lie - Big Government

My views are backed by facts, yours are backed by opinions.
 
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Conservative said:
No, my view comes from the U.S. Treasury Dept. website which is the checkbook of the United States. You ought to get the facts vs. buying what "everyone" else tells you. Check out where that surplus came from, use of SS funds. Was that the intent of SS funds?

http://fms.treas.gov/annualreport/annrpt00.pdf




"Quagmire"? Right out of the leftwing manual. Check out the Democratic quotes which led up to the war in Iraq. These are the people that had the same intelligence information as Bush. The Senate was under control of the Democrats and voted 76-23 in favor of the war, supported the war until the war turned south and even remained negative as Bush turned the tide and won the war. Obama has adopted the Bush doctrine in Iraq and the Bush Secretary of Defense.





Neither did Bush, but that isn't what the leftwing is going to tell you. Had Bush done what you and the left claimed, why wasn't he impeached? Democrats preferred to have the talking points to the facts.





You really don't know how our govt. works, do you? obama was in the Senate when the housing crisis bubble burst. He and the Democrats prevented Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac oversight rules to be even debated. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd did more damage to the financial institution along with Obama and his ties to ACORN than Bush ever could or did.

Obama Caught in a Major ACORN Lie - Big Government

My views are backed by facts, yours are backed by opinions.
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Having some problems, Denver, with someone giving you facts that counter your own opinion? Not surprising, USA is having the same problem.
 
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DenverGreg said:
That's really funny. :)

Bush inherited a country at peace that had the first budget surplus in years. He created the biggest deficit ever up to that time. He ignored warnings from the Clinton admin about El Qaeda. He invaded a foreign country on false pretenses and that invasion began a quagmire. He subverted the Constitution, brought ultra-partisanship into all government agencies, bungled the response to Hurricane Katrina, and those are only the things I can think of off the top of my head.

Obama inherited the worst economy in 70 years, a healthcare system in crisis, two wars, and all sorts of other problems. It's true that the economy continues to be bad and that a lot of other problems remain unsolved. But saying Obama is worse than Bush is a complete joke.
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Get off the left wing moveon.org talking points..they are old and stale.....come up with something new...........
 
If Clinton had a budget surplus and I believe it was all fuzzy math it was because of the Republican congress and New Gingrich and his contract with america......They made slick willie balance the budget which he did not want to do....
 
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Navy Pride said:
Get off the left wing moveon.org talking points..they are old and stale.....come up with something new...........
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Why? Those are FACTS! You seem to see only what you want to see. I have some reservations about your ability to understand anything other than the GOP "talking points"...
 
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Conservative said:
No, my view comes from the U.S. Treasury Dept. website which is the checkbook of the United States. You ought to get the facts vs. buying what "everyone" else tells you. Check out where that surplus came from, use of SS funds. Was that the intent of SS funds?

http://fms.treas.gov/annualreport/annrpt00.pdf
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Boy, this is fun. Page 20 of the document you sent to me clearly shows that there was a surplus in 1998, 1999 and 2000. Perhaps you should read documents more carefully before you send out links to them. The front page of the Congressional Budgeting Office also clearly shows the same thing. (Congressional Budget Office - Home Page). I understand that you may not agree with the way the government keeps its statistics, but it is a fact that by official gov't statistics, there was a surplus for Clinton's last few years in office. Sorry, your view is fringe.






"Quagmire"? Right out of the leftwing manual. Check out the Democratic quotes which led up to the war in Iraq. These are the people that had the same intelligence information as Bush. The Senate was under control of the Democrats and voted 76-23 in favor of the war, supported the war until the war turned south and even remained negative as Bush turned the tide and won the war. Obama has adopted the Bush doctrine in Iraq and the Bush Secretary of Defense.
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I did not support the war at any point, as the aims for it did not make sense.
It has not been remotely worth the lives and treasure it's cost. The American public originally supported it because they were told there were WMD there and even that Saddam Hussein might be behind it. As the reality became clear, people changed their minds about the war. Bush's Secretary of Defense, Rumsfeld, bungled the war for 6 years. Bush finally replaced him with someone competent when Dems won big in 2006, and Bush knew he was going to be out.


Neither did Bush, but that isn't what the leftwing is going to tell you. Had Bush done what you and the left claimed, why wasn't he impeached? Democrats preferred to have the talking points to the facts.
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This is hysterical. Some Democrats tried very hard to impeach Bush, but they were in the minority for most of his time in office. Just because he wasn't impeached doesn't mean he didn't deserve it.


You really don't know how our govt. works, do you? obama was in the Senate when the housing crisis bubble burst. He and the Democrats prevented Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac oversight rules to be even debated. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd did more damage to the financial institution along with Obama and his ties to ACORN than Bush ever could or did.

Obama Caught in a Major ACORN Lie - Big Government

My views are backed by facts, yours are backed by opinions.
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Wow, do you even know how you sound? You disagree with me, so I don't know anything about how the gov't works and all of my views are based on opinions and not facts. What a joke!

Yes, I'm sure that Obama had more impact on the economy while serving as a junior senator than Bush did while president of the United States.http://www.debatepolitics.com/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
That makes so much sense. Now that Obama's out of the Senate, which junior senator is running the economy now?

And you say that I don't know anything about how the gov't works...
 
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DenverGreg;1058576932]Boy, this is fun. Page 20 of the document you sent to me clearly shows that there was a surplus in 1998, 1999 and 2000. Perhaps you should read documents more carefully before you send out links to them. The front page of the Congressional Budgeting Office also clearly shows the same thing. (Congressional Budget Office - Home Page). I understand that you may not agree with the way the government keeps its statistics, but it is a fact that by official gov't statistics, there was a surplus for Clinton's last few years in office. Sorry, your view is fringe.
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I suggest you learn to read the report. Do you see a line item called Social Security? Should SS be on budget and not be put aside for future retirement? You really are a typical liberal and don't understand what you are even looking at



I did not support the war at any point, as the aims for it did not make sense.
It has not been remotely worth the lives and treasure it's cost. The American public originally supported it because they were told there were WMD there and even that Saddam Hussein might be behind it. As the reality became clear, people changed their minds about the war. Bush's Secretary of Defense, Rumsfeld, bungled the war for 6 years. Bush finally replaced him with someone competent when Dems won big in 2006, and Bush knew he was going to be out.
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Whether or not you supported the war is irrelevant, Congress did and they had the same information as the President



This is hysterical. Some Democrats tried very hard to impeach Bush, but they were in the minority for most of his time in office. Just because he wasn't impeached doesn't mean he didn't deserve it.
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Democrats took control of Congress in 2007 and as I recall Bush was still in office. Again what you think doesn't matter much as you have been fed a lot of false information that you buy as fact.



Wow, do you even know how you sound? You disagree with me, so I don't know anything about how the gov't works and all of my views are based on opinions and not facts. What a joke!

Yes, I'm sure that Obama had more impact on the economy while serving as a junior senator than Bush did while president of the United States.http://www.debatepolitics.com/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
That makes so much sense. Now that Obama's out of the Senate, which junior senator is running the economy now?

And you say that I don't know anything about how the gov't works...[/
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Take a civics class, we don't elect a King, Bush had a Democrat Congress from 2007-2008. Our govt. runs as three equal branches of govt. Legislative, Executive, and Judicial. Congress is every bit as responsible for the economy as the President except in the liberal world.
 
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Reno J said:
Why? Those are FACTS! You seem to see only what you want to see. I have some reservations about your ability to understand anything other than the GOP "talking points"...
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I don't respond to lies my left wing friend.......You know if you keep saying something its not going to make it right.........
 
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wrong; the President is supposed to take the lead in foreign policy; Congress is supposed to have the lead in domestic policy
 
American said:
If Obama's policies fail, will the left finally admit that this crap doesn't work and consider options different from they've pushed for the last 40 years?
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The problem with that logical idea is that they will NEVER admit he failed. They will twist and turn the stats to where, some bent ass way, it makes Obama look good. I've learned that two things comprise a left winger: blame bush and then argue your opponent so badly he gives up and quits then call yourself a winner.
 
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