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A 16-year old girl buried alive in Turkey

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A 16-year old girl buried alive by his family who wanted to wash the honor, because he suspected that the teenager had sex with men, as reported by the Turkish Anatolian news agency.

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Yet another reason Turkey is not ready for the EU.......;)
 
It would nice to have a story in English.

Partisan said:
Yet another reason Turkey is not ready for the EU.......;)
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Right, because it makes sense to bar their entry based on the actions of one family?:roll:
 
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Yet another reason Turkey is not ready for the EU.......

Right, because it makes sense to bar their entry based on the actions of one family?
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"Muslims are OBLIGATED to raid the lands of the infidels, occupy them, and exchange their systems of governance for an Islamic system. . .They say that our sharia does not impose our particular beliefs upon others; this is a false assertion. For it is, in fact, part of our religion to IMPOSE our particular beliefs upon others." -bin Laden

:doh.........
 
See, this should really be in the category of "forced conception control for unfit parents"
 
Turkish teenager buried alive because friendship with boys shamed family - Times Online

The father and grandfather of a Turkish teenager are to face trial for burying her alive because they were concerned that her friendship with boys had brought dishonour on their family.

Although honour killings are not infrequent in Turkey, the especially gruesome manner of Medine Memi’s death has shocked the nation.

A coroner said that Medine had been discovered bound and lifeless in sitting position in a 2m hole dug beneath a chicken coop outside the family’s house in the town of Kahta in Southeastern Turkey, 40 days after she had disappeared. The hole had been cemented over.

According to a post-mortem examination the large amount of soil in her lungs and stomach showed that she had been buried while conscious and suffered a slow and agonising death.


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The public response to the killing has been one of shocked outrage.

“The punishment for whosoever should kill with intent is the hell where he will languish forever. Allah has cursed him and prepared great pain for him,” wrote Seyid Ahmet Kayar on the website of the religious Samanyolu television.

“You named your daughter after the holy city of Medina but your mind is left over from the earlier Age of Ignorance,” wrote Vicdan, on the same website.

Honour killings happen mainly in Turkey’s predominantly Kurdish southeast but have spread to cities and even abroad through migration.
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Freaking barbarians. I hope they rot in the worst Turkish prison for the rest of their miserable days.
 
fallenangel hermes said:
A 16-year old girl buried alive by his family who wanted to wash the honor, because he suspected that the teenager had sex with men, as reported by the Turkish Anatolian news agency.

see the link
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It was a girl and she was not having sex with anyone. Her name was Medine Memi and she was seen talking to boys. Her fatther and grandfather buried her alive at the family home in Kahta Turkey.

I posted this story at 8:55pm last evening in my thread muslim women face crises over violence No one cared to comment on it. I think its because they think I am an Islamophobe. Thats why I have dedicated so much time and effort to getting out the story of honour killings of muslim women.

At the following thread you can read about Medine and many others who have been murdered by their families.

Go to post 159 to read about this story
http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...8-muslim-women-face-crisis-over-violence.html
 
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ScummyD said:
It would nice to have a story in English.


Right, because it makes sense to bar their entry based on the actions of one family?:roll:
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Its not just one family. Its a pervasive attitude amongst the Turkish people. Homophobia, the treatment of women, anti christain sentiment, and a general backwards way of thinking.
 
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Every country and culture has it's issues like that - these practices happen in the US, as well.

We have an equally appalling problem - cases of PPP (Post Partum Psychosis) and PPD (Post Partum Depression) in which the mother kills the children due to paranoia and stress and other twisted versions of reality and so forth.

and fathers who kill stepchildren because they've complicated the family or relationship too much.

Our country definitely isn't pure in comparison - we're just as scummy but we're just use to our issues, at home.
 
SgtRock said:
Its not just one family. Its a pervasive attitude amongst the Turkish people. Homophobia, the treatment of women, anti christain sentiment, and a general backwards way of thinking.
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Those god damn secular societies!
 
The father and grandfather of a Turkish teenager are to face trial for burying her alive because they were concerned that her friendship with boys had brought dishonour on their family.
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Buried alive?
Oh that is so horrible
Slightly surprised the article states it is spreading to cities.
 
Stupid traditions that dont want to die out. Sadly not uncommon across the world.
 
fallenangel hermes said:
A 16-year old girl buried alive by his family who wanted to wash the honor, because he suspected that the teenager had sex with men, as reported by the Turkish Anatolian news agency.

see the link
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I noticed your user name is "Hermes".

Is this just a Greek/Turkish thing here?
 
Partisan said:
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Yet another reason Turkey is not ready for the EU.......

Right, because it makes sense to bar their entry based on the actions of one family?
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"Muslims are OBLIGATED to raid the lands of the infidels, occupy them, and exchange their systems of governance for an Islamic system. . .They say that our sharia does not impose our particular beliefs upon others; this is a false assertion. For it is, in fact, part of our religion to IMPOSE our particular beliefs upon others." -bin Laden

:doh.........
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Yeah cause we all know Bin Laden is the sole authority on Islam:doh
 
SgtRock said:
Its not just one family. Its a pervasive attitude amongst the Turkish people. Homophobia, the treatment of women, anti christain sentiment, and a general backwards way of thinking.
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Some parts of the country certainly but not all of it. There are plenty of gay bars in many parts of Turkey. Its really strange reading about this sort of thing in Ankara as it feels like reading about a different country.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Every country and culture has it's issues like that - these practices happen in the US, as well.

We have an equally appalling problem - cases of PPP (Post Partum Psychosis) and PPD (Post Partum Depression) in which the mother kills the children due to paranoia and stress and other twisted versions of reality and so forth.

and fathers who kill stepchildren because they've complicated the family or relationship too much.

Our country definitely isn't pure in comparison - we're just as scummy but we're just use to our issues, at home.
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So.... a culture that deems it's ok to commit honor killings is just as good as a society that produces people who suffer psychosis and stepfathers who kill stepchildren? Just where is it written it's ok for stepfather's to kill their stepchildren? I'm unaware of that aspect of the us penal code. I'm also not sure about how ppd and ppp have anything to do with any people's culture, ours included.
 
Many people tend to look at other people by using themselves as a standard.

They automatically think that their values or attitudes are the norm everywhere and when things happen that go against their thoughts or beliefs they are shocked.

Know this, your thoughts are your own and Cults like Islam around the world have a value system that go against the values on life that you my have.

Turkey is in many ways still a 3rd world country, as are China and India in spite of their technological appearances to the outside world.

In the western world we would council a child who we suspected was going down the wrong path, but in the mind set of a 3rd world country that allows Cults the same status as any other religion people feel it is okay to kill people because they dishonor the family name.

I am sorry to report that tha attitude is rampant in the cult of Islam in this country as is shown in the actions of Muslims on a regular basis.

The point here is that we tend to accept too many Cults as religions, and while this may seem to be an open minded tolerant way to be it extremely crazy to allow them to continue with the same status of a religion that teaches peace and love and "Do unto others."

Tolerance is has gone too far and this action by the family is a perfect example.

The father & mother in this case should be put to death andthe world should be told that the Cult of Islam is not a religion and needs to be band world wide before it creates problems that can't be dealt with without a Revolution that requires drastic action not unlike the failed crusades that started in 1095 and ended in 1271. Today we face a threat from this Cult that is real and threatens everything we believe and women should be more concerned that anyone else because they are on the front line to be subjugated by the cult of Islam.

I used to think that Mormonism was just a another Christian religion until one of my daughters took back a cheating husband because the Mormon church told her she was meant to be with him because they were married in a Temple and they were meant to be together from birth and she should forgive his multiple cheatings and tke him back no matter what he did.

Sorry but that is crazy and makes women less than the than men equal, and isn't it a tenant of the Liberals that woman and all people are equals and should be treated with respect etc.
 
Councilman said:
Many people tend to look at other people by using themselves as a standard.

They automatically think that their values or attitudes are the norm everywhere and when things happen that go against their thoughts or beliefs they are shocked.

Know this, your thoughts are your own and Cults like Islam around the world have a value system that go against the values on life that you my have.

Turkey is in many ways still a 3rd world country, as are China and India in spite of their technological appearances to the outside world.

In the western world we would council a child who we suspected was going down the wrong path, but in the mind set of a 3rd world country that allows Cults the same status as any other religion people feel it is okay to kill people because they dishonor the family name.

I am sorry to report that tha attitude is rampant in the cult of Islam in this country as is shown in the actions of Muslims on a regular basis.

The point here is that we tend to accept too many Cults as religions, and while this may seem to be an open minded tolerant way to be it extremely crazy to allow them to continue with the same status of a religion that teaches peace and love and "Do unto others."

Tolerance is has gone too far and this action by the family is a perfect example.

The father & mother in this case should be put to death andthe world should be told that the Cult of Islam is not a religion and needs to be band world wide before it creates problems that can't be dealt with without a Revolution that requires drastic action not unlike the failed crusades that started in 1095 and ended in 1271. Today we face a threat from this Cult that is real and threatens everything we believe and women should be more concerned that anyone else because they are on the front line to be subjugated by the cult of Islam.

I used to think that Mormonism was just a another Christian religion until one of my daughters took back a cheating husband because the Mormon church told her she was meant to be with him because they were married in a Temple and they were meant to be together from birth and she should forgive his multiple cheatings and tke him back no matter what he did.

Sorry but that is crazy and makes women less than the than men equal, and isn't it a tenant of the Liberals that woman and all people are equals and should be treated with respect etc.
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Was that your evidence to the contrary or just an general commentary on the subject?
 
Partisan said:
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It would nice to have a story in English.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Partisan
Yet another reason Turkey is not ready for the EU.......

Right, because it makes sense to bar their entry based on the actions of one family?
__________________
"Muslims are OBLIGATED to raid the lands of the infidels, occupy them, and exchange their systems of governance for an Islamic system. . .They say that our sharia does not impose our particular beliefs upon others; this is a false assertion. For it is, in fact, part of our religion to IMPOSE our particular beliefs upon others." -bin Laden

:doh.........
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Is that supposed to be an argument for barring Turkey from the brotherhood of nations based on the actions of one family, as you said?

SgtRock said:
Its not just one family. Its a pervasive attitude amongst the Turkish people. Homophobia, the treatment of women, anti christain sentiment, and a general backwards way of thinking.
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There exists anti-homosexual elements and anti-Christian elements in those nations existing in the EU already. Yet we don't see you calling for these states to be thrown out of the EU. Why is that?

So "backward" that Turkey stood with the United States through a half century of the Cold War and is a secular democratic member of NATO. So backward, that Turkey stands as a strict opposite to most of the rest of the Muslim world whether the measure is political stability, economic growth or cultural achievement. Individual liberty and human rights are greater than in any other Muslim nation.

Setting aside the silly idea that the actions of a few should disqualify the potential of the many, there are greater issues at stake here which should be considered.

There is no doubt that radical elements exist within Turkey, but there also exists a significant number of people opposed to the radicals. And we need to ally with them and encourage their ascension.

As Turkey's former prime minister, Tansu Ciller, notes: "The West needs to make a preference which line it wants to see. The Turkish model or the Iranian one." Allying with the moderates in Turkey and encouraging them and the transformation of Turkey through its admission into such bodies as the EU would be a positive step in that direction.

As Daniel Pipes writes in Militant Islam Reaches America:
"Even the most Western-oriented Turks despair at being shunned by the EU, seeing this as confirmation of their second-class status. As one Turkish commentator bitterly noted in 1995: 'When communism ceased to be a threat, the changing balances in the [Atlantic] alliance brought about a return to the system that existed prior to communism. Christain enemies made brotherly peace; they forgave each other and again recalled their common enemy, Islam. Actually, this memory had never been forgotten; it had merely been shelved for a while.' Letting Turkey into the EU will cut down on these unpleasant suspicions." p.36​

We need to think strategically. Holding up a supposed "pervasive attitude amongst the Turkish people [regarding] Homophobia, the treatment of women, anti christain sentiment, and a general backwards way of thinking," while neglecting the larger picture is not a wise course of action. (On a side note, I believe you just made this claim of a "pervasive attitude up;" I don't believe this is a conclusion based on solid evidence, but a product of your own prejudice.) There are far more important issues at stake. One may always find fault with any society. Turning a cold shoulder to the Turks based on such minor, petty matters is not a course of action that will in anyway strengthen our position in the region.
 
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Red_Dave said:
Not exactly mainstream though, unless you have evidence to the contrary?
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"Most Muslims--and bin Laden is in the Islamic mainstream--believe separating church and states is apostasy." p. 2


"That threat is sharpened by the fact that bin Laden's ideas are grounded in and powered by the tenets of Islam, divine guidelines that are completely familiar to most of the world's billion plus Muslims and lived by them on a daily basis." -Imperial Hubris, p.xviii

"To start, I want for now to avoid debate over whether bin Laden preaches and practices an aberrant form of Islam, as well as charges--almost always by non-Muslims--that he is merely a deranged killer using religious rhetoric to justify his attacks. And though I think both accusations wrong, I will not argue against them here."

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He may not be but he is a product of it.
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Indeed. But not just any 'ol product.

"Osama bin Laden, after all, is not an aberrant product of Saudi society--he is the poster boy." p.73

Michael Scheuer Imperial Hubris
 
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ScummyD said:
Turning a cold shoulder to the Turks based on such minor, petty matters is not a course of action that will in anyway strengthen our position in the region.
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To be clear, by "minor, petty matters" I mean within the larger context of our strategic interests. Obviously the crimes noted themselves are serious. But they should not preclude our alliance with the state of Turkey.
 
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