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Repeal of 'Don't ask, don't tell' to trigger draft

disneydude said:
Navy Posted the Zogby poll and claimed that it supported his view that the military opposes ending the ban (problem is....the poll says exactly the opposite). He's been running away from it ever since.
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Hmmm...yes indeed, it utterly refutes his point. Ive read the entire report and there's no mistaking, active military are supportive of repealing DADT.

I didn't see him post the Zogby, I thought for sure he posted a different poll. Oh well.
 
Gina said:
Hmmm...yes indeed, it utterly refutes his point. Ive read the entire report and there's no mistaking, active military are supportive of repealing DADT.

I didn't see him post the Zogby, I thought for sure he posted a different poll. Oh well.
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No....that was the one he posted. The link above that I posted was copied directly from his original post.
 
Navy Pride said:
Calling someone a gay hater is calling them a name........
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Not if they hate gays. It's just an observation. Someone who hates gays is a gay-hater. Just like calling you a sailor isn't calling you a name. Or calling someone a broccoli-hater if they hate broccoli.
 
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disneydude said:
Kinda like you ignoring the poll that you posted a week ago (but hadn't read) that you've been running from since?
Here is your link again: Servicemembers Legal Defense Network

Military Attitudes
73 percent of military personnel are comfortable with lesbians and gays (Zogby International, 2006).
The younger generations, those who fight America's 21st century wars, largely don't care about whether someone is gay or not-and they do not link job performance with sexual orientation.
One in four U.S. troops who served in Afghanistan or Iraq knows a member of their unit who is gay (Zogby, 2006).
The Public Overwhelmingly Supports Lifting the Ban
Majorities of weekly churchgoers (60 percent), conservatives (58 percent), and Republicans (58 percent) now favor repeal (Gallup, 2009).
Seventy-five percent of Americans support gays serving openly - up from just 44 percent in 1993 (ABC News/Washington Post, 2008).
Ban Hurts Military Readiness
The U.S. must recruit and retain the greatest number of the best and brightest-especially during two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The military has discharged almost 800 mission-critical troops and at least 59 Arabic and nine Farsi linguists under "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" in the last five years.

Here is another link from that same source of yours Navy:

Reserve Officers Association Changes Position on Gays in Military | Latest News | Servicemembers Legal Defense Network

The Reserve Officers Association, the largest organization of retired U.S. military reserve officers in the nation, voted yesterday to end its decades long position of excluding gays and lesbians from the U.S. military.
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I already posted a poll from the active duty members themselves and they are totally against i, even the young guys, which I already knew because I talk to them all the time.........
 
Navy Pride said:
I already posted a poll from the active duty members themselves and they are totally against i, even the young guys, which I already knew because I talk to them all the time.........
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Why...because you messed up when you posted the one that said exactly the opposite? Why are you so willing to embrace one...yet run from the other you mistakenly posted?
 
I carried a draft card in the 50's, but elected to enlist. I think a hitch in the military is a good thing, but it doesn't make automatically conservatives of those who do serve. I believe it is a good thing because it gives young men the discipline and respect for authority missing in so many of todays youth. IMO.
 
Navy Pride said:
actually that is false......I posted a poll taken of active duty military a couple of pages back .....
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No, you didn't. Forget being scientific, it wasn't a poll of active-duty military personnel.
 
disneydude said:
Why...because you messed up when you posted the one that said exactly the opposite? Why are you so willing to embrace one...yet run from the other you mistakenly posted?
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Read it and weep DD..this is from the horses mouth.........


Center for Military Readiness | Homosexuals in the Military

Results of the survey did not make news until July 2009. Washington Times Base News Editor Grace Vuoto reported that the MOAA survey revealed strong support for current policy (16%) or an even stronger law excluding homosexuals from the military (52%). The same combined percentage, 68%, expressed the belief that repeal of the 1993 law would have a very negative effect (48%) or a moderately negative effect (20%) on troop morale and military readiness.

Contrary to stereotypes about the views of younger men and women, the MOAA survey of 1,664 respondents included a significant number of younger, active-duty or drilling reserve/guard personnel who were largely tolerant of homosexuality in other situations.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Read it and weep DD..this is from the horses mouth.........


Center for Military Readiness | Homosexuals in the Military

Results of the survey did not make news until July 2009. Washington Times Base News Editor Grace Vuoto reported that the MOAA survey revealed strong support for current policy (16%) or an even stronger law excluding homosexuals from the military (52%). The same combined percentage, 68%, expressed the belief that repeal of the 1993 law would have a very negative effect (48%) or a moderately negative effect (20%) on troop morale and military readiness.

Contrary to stereotypes about the views of younger men and women, the MOAA survey of 1,664 respondents included a significant number of younger, active-duty or drilling reserve/guard personnel who were largely tolerant of homosexuality in other situations.
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LOL...the "Center for Military Readiness" is a right-wing organization that actively is advocating keeping the ban in place. Hardly a scientific study.

What about your other link Navy (You know...the one that you didn't read, but posted anyway that said exactly the opposite. You ever gonna explain why you are running away from what you obviously thought was worthy of posting?)
You know.....this one:

: http://www.sldn.org/pages/about-dadt

Military Attitudes
73 percent of military personnel are comfortable with lesbians and gays (Zogby International, 2006).
The younger generations, those who fight America's 21st century wars, largely don't care about whether someone is gay or not-and they do not link job performance with sexual orientation.
One in four U.S. troops who served in Afghanistan or Iraq knows a member of their unit who is gay (Zogby, 2006).
The Public Overwhelmingly Supports Lifting the Ban
Majorities of weekly churchgoers (60 percent), conservatives (58 percent), and Republicans (58 percent) now favor repeal (Gallup, 2009).
Seventy-five percent of Americans support gays serving openly - up from just 44 percent in 1993 (ABC News/Washington Post, 2008).
Ban Hurts Military Readiness
The U.S. must recruit and retain the greatest number of the best and brightest-especially during two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The military has discharged almost 800 mission-critical troops and at least 59 Arabic and nine Farsi linguists under "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" in the last five years.
 
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Rassales said:
No, you didn't. Forget being scientific, it wasn't a poll of active-duty military personnel.
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Center for Military Readiness | Homosexuals in the Military

Results of the survey did not make news until July 2009. Washington Times Base News Editor Grace Vuoto reported that the MOAA survey revealed strong support for current policy (16%) or an even stronger law excluding homosexuals from the military (52%). The same combined percentage, 68%, expressed the belief that repeal of the 1993 law would have a very negative effect (48%) or a moderately negative effect (20%) on troop morale and military readiness.

Contrary to stereotypes about the views of younger men and women, the MOAA survey of 1,664 respondents included a significant number of younger, active-duty or drilling reserve/guard personnel who were largely tolerant of homosexuality in other situations.
 
disneydude said:
LOL...the "Center for Military Readiness" is a right-wing organization that actively is advocating keeping the ban in place. Hardly a scientific study.

What about your other link Navy (You know...the one that you didn't read, but posted anyway that said exactly the opposite. You ever gonna explain why you are running away from what you obviously thought was worthy of posting?)
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It deals with readiness of the military..........If their right wing then your right wing.......:rofl God that is hard to say........You just can't call everything that disagrees with you right wing.........You lose the little creditability you have left when you do that........
 
Navy Pride said:
It deals with readiness of the military..........If their right wing then your right wing.......:rofl God that is hard to say........You just can't call everything that disagrees with you right wing.........You lose the little creditability you have left when you do that........
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Go to their website navy....just because you name yourself something...doesn't mean that it is correct...(Just look at "the moral majority"...which is neither moral or majority :doh)

Have you gone to their website or are you simply posting something without bothering to read it again?

The make no qualms on their website that they are actively seeking to prevent the repeal. Not exactly an unbiased credible link.
 
Gina said:
Hmmm...yes indeed, it utterly refutes his point. Ive read the entire report and there's no mistaking, active military are supportive of repealing DADT.

I didn't see him post the Zogby, I thought for sure he posted a different poll. Oh well.
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Don't give DD a pass Gina...You were right............I told you people DD is losing it........
 
Reno J said:
I carried a draft card in the 50's, but elected to enlist. I think a hitch in the military is a good thing, but it doesn't make automatically conservatives of those who do serve. I believe it is a good thing because it gives young men the discipline and respect for authority missing in so many of todays youth. IMO.
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You are right and a bunch of your buddies in here should experience it..........
 
Navy Pride said:
Don't give DD a pass Gina...You were right............I told you people DD is losing it........
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Navy....the facts speak for themselves. The link is the same link that you posted and didn't read. Maybe you are embarassed....but you have been running from that link. Just admit you made a mistake....you didn't read it before posting it.
But to lie your way out of it, isn't going to work, when people can see you link the link yourself.
 
misterman said:
Not if they hate gays. It's just an observation. Someone who hates gays is a gay-hater. Just like calling you a sailor isn't calling you a name. Or calling someone a broccoli-hater if they hate broccoli.
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Calling someone a sailor is not a derogatory name.......calling someone a gay hater is especially if they hate no one............I am a Roman Catholic and my church teaches me to hate no one but to love the sinner and hate the sin.........
 
Navy Pride said:
Calling someone a sailor is not a derogatory name.......calling someone a gay hater is especially if they hate no one............I am a Roman Catholic and my church teaches me to hate no one but to love the sinner and hate the sin.........
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Your church also teaches you that capital punishment is wrong. You do follow the tenents of your church right? That is why you are proclaiming your religion here. Am I correct?
 
disneydude said:
Your church also teaches you that capital punishment is wrong. You do follow the tenents of your church right? That is why you are proclaiming your religion here. Am I correct?
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We have been here before DD don't you get tired of it.......When someone is condemned to the death penalty they committed a crime against humanity and I support the death penalty..This person did harm to another human being.......I can not condon that.........I am human and not without sin....I tell my priest every time I go to confession the sins I have committed.....-.........You condone the murder of 40,000,000 babies since 1973 who have committed no crime and just wanted life like you got...Just think about it whem you go to bed tonight,,,over 40,000,000 and 35,000,000 could have been avoided....

I will say again, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."
 
Navy Pride said:
We have been here before DD don't you get tired of it.......When someone is condemned to the death penalty they committed a crime against humanity and I support the death penalty..This person did harm to another human being.......I can not condon that.........I am human and not without sin....I tell my priest every time I go to confession the sins I have committed.....-.........You condone the murder of 40,000,000 babies since 1973 who have committed no crime and just wanted life like you got...Just think about it whem you go to bed tonight,,,over 40,000,000 and 35,000,000 could have been avoided....

I will say again, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."
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I'm just saying....you invoke your religion to cast yourself as a religious man who follows the tenements of your catholic faith. I'm sure you don't pick and choose those that you want to obey and those which you feel are discardable, do you?

BTW...you misconstrue my position so I have to correct you. I do not condone abortion. I, like most pro-choice individuals agree that abortion is not a good thing. However, I am not going to expect others to share my same belief. That is what "Choice" is about and "Freedom". I would hope that people would choose every possible alternative to abortion and would encourage them to do so.
However, I also understand the suffering of millions of children growing up in poverty. Something that you and those on the anti-abortion side, don't like to talk about. You will fight to your last breath to save the fetus, but don't want any social programs to help the child once the fetus is born. To me that is the tragedy and shame of the pro-life movement.
 
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disneydude said:
I'm just saying....you invoke your religion to cast yourself as a religious man who follows the tenements of your catholic faith. I'm sure you don't pick and choose those that you want to obey and those which you feel are discardable, do you?

BTW...you misconstrue my position so I have to correct you. I do not condone abortion. I, like most pro-choice individuals agree that abortion is not a good thing. However, I am not going to expect others to share my same belief. That is what "Choice" is about and "Freedom". I would hope that people would choose every possible alternative to abortion and would encourage them to do so.
However, I also understand the suffering of millions of children growing up in poverty. Something that you and those on the anti-abortion side, don't like to talk about. You will fight to your last breath to save the fetus, but don't want any social programs to help the child once the fetus is born. To me that is the tragedy and shame of the pro-life movement.
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Your wrong I am far from a religeous man and I will be the first to admit that...I am just telling you what my church teaches...........

To me pro choice is a cop out, its a way to let you sleep well at night.......To me pro choice and pro abortion are one and the same.........
 
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Navy Pride said:
Like I said Senior Officer and enlisted will leave the service in droves........

No one will want to enlist...............
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:rofl

If sexuality is THAT big of a deal to some people then good riddance. . . be gone. "Before somebody drops a house on YOU" *insert munchkin cackle here*

There are far MORE important things to worry about while in the service than whose sticking what where.

I consider getting worked up over it to be dire immature drama - an immature drama does NOT belong in the service, on the battle field or anywhere near such important and mature issues as answering the call of duty and serving the country.
 
Navy Pride said:
calling someone a gay hater is especially if they hate no one
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I wasn't calling anyone a gay-hater except for people who hate gays. How you think "someone who hates gays" isn't an insult but "gay-hater" is an insult is your problem. I'm just speaking basic English.
 
Yeah - if someone's willing to ditch their choice career because of how someone else lives their life - I'd consider that an extreme amount of hate going on.

Some serious 10 foot pole hate, there.
 
disneydude said:
Your church also teaches you that capital punishment is wrong. You do follow the tenents of your church right? That is why you are proclaiming your religion here. Am I correct?
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I told you already unlike you I am not perfect.........If s person is executed for murdering another human being I believe his life shall be forfeited.......That is not what my church teaches but I have never executed anyone (almost one time in Beauoventura Columbia, but that is a whole another story).....

When Liberals like you call me out for that though I have to laugh because you defend the rights of a murderer and rapist and yet you defend the doctor who is killing innocent defensless babies who have committed no crime and just want the chance at life you got and believe you me those little babies fight for that life until the inevitable happens.....Now what is wrong with this picture?

You protect guilty murderers..I protect innocent babies........You do know you are beginning to lose on this to.......Public opinion is turning against the baby killers in this country......Its actually close to 50-50 now........Some day we will get rid of that terrible law and abortions will only take place where the mothers life is in danger or in the case of incest.........


we are geting way off subject here but I don't claim to be a religious person......I just do my best........
 
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If sexuality is THAT big of a deal to some people then good riddance. . . be gone. "Before somebody drops a house on YOU" *insert munchkin cackle here*

There are far MORE important things to worry about while in the service than whose sticking what where.

I consider getting worked up over it to be dire immature drama - an immature drama does NOT belong in the service, on the battle field or anywhere near such important and mature issues as answering the call of duty and serving the country.
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Can I ask you what ships you served on?
 
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