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Repeal of 'Don't ask, don't tell' to trigger draft

I wonder what they thought about women and blacks in the service way back when too.

You need some new talking points my left wing friend, those are old and stale and have been discounted over and over again........
 
On a side note, I notice two things whenever a draft is mentioned.

First, its always the people who DONT have to go who are advocating for a draft.

Second, the people who would actually have to go and fight dont get to decide if there should be a draft.

Does this seem screwed up to anybody else?

You can always run and hide in Canada........:roll:
 
This would really get the attention of the Bleeding Heart Liberals who feel that DADT should be repealed.........If that happened that would mean some of you young people would be able to see how it feels.......I wonder if you might change your mind on the issue.....



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Instead of repealing DADT they should ban all sexuality in the military.
 
You can always run and hide in Canada........:roll:

Hey, they can draft me any day. But I'm going to serve openly, and if they don't like it they can kick me out. I'm not a coward like the United State military is.
 
Myself, I would heed the wise council of my generals and officers in the field.

I know some politicians have caught heat for not doing so in the past.

Regardless of what I think, or anyone else for that matter, the priority, as I see it, is to maintain an efficient military and our national security. Politics and opinions and political correctness be damned.

The last I heard, the military big-wigs have said that today's military is far more tolerant towards gays than the miltary of the past.

I totally see where Navy is coming from in regard to the old school sailors, soldiers, marines, etc. There are many older "lifers" that I am certain take objection to gays serving openly. I am certain they will take exception to the change and quite possibly resign, retire or out right quit. We can only speculate.

Regardless of their piss-poor attitude towards change and the restricting of gays to openly serve, their experience and value to our military cannot be over-looked. One has to take that into consideration as it directly affects national security.

But, on the other hand, a more progressive approach towards this issue might be attractive to an equal percentage of prospective men and women willing to serve in uniform. It might take years to gain the valuable experience to replace those experienced military people, who adamently opposes the gay plight, but in time it will become a non-issue. Again, we can only speculate. The question is, with two wars going on, is this the time to chance losing these experienced military people?

I know of no factual statistics that either deny or validate the notion that if gays are allowed to openly serve, military personnel will quit in droves. If anyone has anything other than an opinion, I would very much be interested in their evidence.


Such decisions are far above my pay grade. I will put my faith in our commanders. And they say to tear down the gay wall.

Whether I like it or not is irrevelant.
 
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Myself, I would heed the wise council of my generals and officers in the field.

I know some politicians have caught heat for not doing so in the past.

Regardless of what I think, or anyone else for that matter, the priority, as I see it, is to maintain an efficient military and our national security. Politics and opinions and political correctness be damned.

The last I heard, the military big-wigs have said that today's military is far more tolerant towards gays than the miltary of the past.

I totally see where Navy is coming from in regard to the old school sailors, soldiers, marines, etc. There are many older "lifers" that I am certain take objection to gays serving openly. I am certain they will take exception to the change and quite possibly resign, retire or out right quit. We can only speculate.

Regardless of their piss-poor attitude towards change and the restricting of gays to openly serve, their experience and value to our military cannot be over-looked. One has to take that into consideration as it directly affects national security.

But, on the other hand, a more progressive approach towards this issue might be attractive to an equal percentage of prospective men and women willing to serve in uniform. It might take years to gain the valuable experience to replace those experienced military people, who adamently opposes the gay plight, but in time it will become a non-issue. Again, we can only speculate. The question is, with two wars going on, is this the time to chance losing these experienced military people?

I know of no factual statistics that either deny or validate the notion that if gays are allowed to openly serve, military personnel will quit in droves. If anyone has anything other than an opinion, I would very much be interested in their evidence.


Such decisions are far above my pay grade. I will put my faith in our commanders. And they say to tear down the gay wall.

Whether I like it or not is irrevelant.



You need to check this out Cap.



Center for Military Readiness | Homosexuals in the Military

Results of the survey did not make news until July 2009. Washington Times Base News Editor Grace Vuoto reported that the MOAA survey revealed strong support for current policy (16%) or an even stronger law excluding homosexuals from the military (52%). The same combined percentage, 68%, expressed the belief that repeal of the 1993 law would have a very negative effect (48%) or a moderately negative effect (20%) on troop morale and military readiness.

Contrary to stereotypes about the views of younger men and women, the MOAA survey of 1,664 respondents included a significant number of younger, active-duty or drilling reserve/guard personnel who were largely tolerant of homosexuality in other situations.
 
You could always respond to the actual point of the post........:roll:

I did, I am just giving you and option.........A lot of guys just like you took advantage of it during Vietnam...
 
Hey, they can draft me any day. But I'm going to serve openly, and if they don't like it they can kick me out. I'm not a coward like the United State military is.

There will be a lot of guys like you if there is a draft.....Sad .....

Personally myself I feel it was and honor to serve my country.......
 
I did, I am just giving you and option.........A lot of guys just like you took advantage of it during Vietnam...
I'd have taken it back then if I could. I have no objection against war and I'm not especially afraid of death or dying. What I don't want is to be forced into a meat-grinder situation against my will.

There are basically two situations where I'd pick up a gun of my own volition; an invasion of the US and a WWII-esq situation where you have a clearly defined threat. In either case, you aren't going to NEED to draft me.

What I do not want to take part in is the US strategy since Vietnam which amounts to basically running in, stomping all over a developing country, then run out declaring themselves the winners.

I notice you avoided actually addressing the points that I made; that often the people who advocate for the draft are people who dont have to go and the people who WILL have to go often have no say in if they go or not. This is something I find somewhat disturbing; in a free country I can simply have my life thrown away by someone for a cause I may not agree with or even understand with no say whatsoever in it.

I think the Samurai had many admirable ideas, some of which I apply to my own life, but the idea of unquestioning loyalty was one that's always gone over my head.

Plus I think they may frown on me rolling around on the front of a tank with an axe on my shoulder and Tyr playing from speakers on the tank calling out the other side's champion :)
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You need some new talking points my left wing friend, those are old and stale and have been discounted over and over again........

Well, they are old, I'll give you that. But how do you discount them?

Racists and sexists said exactly the same things you're saying now. They were wrong. So are you. Everyone realized they were wrong later. We will do the same with you, and maybe you'll even live to see it.
 
Some people have morals and integrity..........
Nowadays that and 6 bucks will get you a cup of coffee.

What does morals and integrity have to do with finding a civilian job?
 
Like I said Senior Officer and enlisted will leave the service in droves........

No one will want to enlist...............

But enlistments are up beyond the capacity for processing them. I know two young men who waited the better part of a year to go to boot camp. One of them finished a couple months ago and is now a Marine.

Enlistment bonuses are a thing of the past, but still young men and women are signing up in droves. Given the polls that reflect more tolerant attitudes among younger people, it wouldn't seem a great number would change their mind if DADT was repealed.
 
Yeah, perhaps alot of gay-haters will have to do that.:rofl

Don't know any personally... Unlike people like you don't like calling names

That said the straight people would honor their draft requirement...no need to hide in Canada:confused:
 
Don't know any personally... Unlike people like you don't like calling names

I didn't call anyone a name.

That said the straight people would honor their draft requirement...no need to hide in Canada:confused:

No, I'll bet you a few would dodge the draft rather than serve with gays. That's the logical conclusion of the argument that the draft will be required in the first place.
 
But enlistments are up beyond the capacity for processing them. I know two young men who waited the better part of a year to go to boot camp. One of them finished a couple months ago and is now a Marine.

Enlistment bonuses are a thing of the past, but still young men and women are signing up in droves. Given the polls that reflect more tolerant attitudes among younger people, it wouldn't seem a great number would change their mind if DADT was repealed.

They have also lowered the standards to meet their requirement to.......Lower GCTs and physical standards...not good, especially in the army.........

actually that is false......I posted a poll taken of active duty military a couple of pages back ....you should read it.........it was strongly against lifting DADT and that included the younger people to......I talk to military members all the time so I knew that already.....you should go back and check it out.......
 
Nowadays that and 6 bucks will get you a cup of coffee.

What does morals and integrity have to do with finding a civilian job?

Its sad you feel that way....The problem is if your boy Obama gets his way it will be worse.......

I think a prospective employer would look for those attributes in a possible recruit......That is just me though......
 
They have also lowered the standards to meet their requirement to.......Lower GCTs and physical standards...not good, especially in the army.........

So do you oppose women in serving?

actually that is false......I posted a poll taken of active duty military a couple of pages back ....you should read it.........it was strongly against lifting DADT and that included the younger people to......I talk to military members all the time so I knew that already.....you should go back and check it out.......

Your poll was worthless. It was not scientific. Nor are your conversations with people.
 
So do you oppose women in serving?



Your poll was worthless. It was not scientific. Nor are your conversations with people.

I opposed women serving on Navy Combatents....I don't oppose women serving.......

Yeah because it proved you wrong.....If it had been in your favor you would be singing a different tune.......
 
I opposed women serving on Navy Combatents....I don't oppose women serving.......

Yeah because it proved you wrong.....If it had been in your favor you would be singing a different tune.......

Kinda like you ignoring the poll that you posted a week ago (but hadn't read) that you've been running from since?
Here is your link again: http://www.sldn.org/pages/about-dadt

Military Attitudes
73 percent of military personnel are comfortable with lesbians and gays (Zogby International, 2006).
The younger generations, those who fight America's 21st century wars, largely don't care about whether someone is gay or not-and they do not link job performance with sexual orientation.
One in four U.S. troops who served in Afghanistan or Iraq knows a member of their unit who is gay (Zogby, 2006).
The Public Overwhelmingly Supports Lifting the Ban
Majorities of weekly churchgoers (60 percent), conservatives (58 percent), and Republicans (58 percent) now favor repeal (Gallup, 2009).
Seventy-five percent of Americans support gays serving openly - up from just 44 percent in 1993 (ABC News/Washington Post, 2008).
Ban Hurts Military Readiness
The U.S. must recruit and retain the greatest number of the best and brightest-especially during two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The military has discharged almost 800 mission-critical troops and at least 59 Arabic and nine Farsi linguists under "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" in the last five years.

Here is another link from that same source of yours Navy:

Reserve Officers Association Changes Position on Gays in Military | Latest News | Servicemembers Legal Defense Network

The Reserve Officers Association, the largest organization of retired U.S. military reserve officers in the nation, voted yesterday to end its decades long position of excluding gays and lesbians from the U.S. military.
 
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They have also lowered the standards to meet their requirement to.......Lower GCTs and physical standards...not good, especially in the army.........

actually that is false......I posted a poll taken of active duty military a couple of pages back ....you should read it.........it was strongly against lifting DADT and that included the younger people to......I talk to military members all the time so I knew that already.....you should go back and check it out.......

They lowered standards during the Bush administration because the military couldn't come close to fulfilling enlistment quotas, hence the large enlistment bonuses, which have now been withdrawn.

Which poll? I saw you post one wherein veterans responded. The only active duty poll I've seen here is that done by Zogby in 2006. If I missed it, could you please reply with the post number?
 
They lowered standards during the Bush administration because the military couldn't come close to fulfilling enlistment quotas, hence the large enlistment bonuses, which have now been withdrawn.

Which poll? I saw you post one wherein veterans responded. The only active duty poll I've seen here is that done by Zogby in 2006. If I missed it, could you please reply with the post number?

Navy Posted the Zogby poll and claimed that it supported his view that the military opposes ending the ban (problem is....the poll says exactly the opposite). He's been running away from it ever since.
 
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