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Repeal of 'Don't ask, don't tell' to trigger draft

I can only hope something in this country can trigger a return the role of the citizen-soldier.

I doubt that DADT will be the cause.

For all you naysayers that despise the founding fathers of this nation, having fun deconstructing this:

THE FOUNDERS' WISDOM
 
If I thought that the abolition of DADT would trigger a draft, I would support it 100%.
 
Navy Pride said:
This would really get the attention of the Bleeding Heart Liberals who feel that DADT should be repealed.........If that happened that would mean some of you young people would be able to see how it feels.......I wonder if you might change your mind on the issue.....
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Fear tactics don't work on everyone, including me. Yes the DADT is a good draft dodger and I was planning on using it if the time comes... But I don't see why we would have a draft anytime soon. I have 2 borders to run too - or I could fake a medical problem... If all else fails I will gladly sit outside with a gun in my hand when they come to take me away :)
 
I don't understand why this has to be a partisan issue. Frankly, I think it's a mistake. It certainly won't be the end of the world. But if something works, why try to fix it? This should be decided based on a purely objective analysis of what's best for the men and women who serve. Not based on what makes a few politicians feel good about themselves. If it causes damage to the military and hurts the people it's supposed to be helping then it is not worth it in my opinion.

There are plenty of gay people who serve in the military today and they can contribute as much as anyone else. That said, what people do in the privacy of their own bedroom isn't anyone else's business, and it should stay that way. That's why don't ask don't tell worked (for the most part). The people who serve with you don't need to know about your love life, whether you are gay, heterosexual, transsexual, or anything else.

Just leave politics out of it.
 
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Rachel said:
But if something works, why try to fix it?
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What makes you think the policy is working? Do you know how much it costs? Do you know how many have been discharged? Do you know what types of unts have been discharged?

It seems to me you are assuming that it works, and I want to know why, because I don't agree.
 
Rachel said:
I don't understand why this has to be a partisan issue. Frankly, I think it's a mistake. It certainly won't be the end of the world. But if something works, why try to fix it? This should be decided based on a purely objective analysis of what's best for the men and women who serve. Not based on what makes a few politicians feel good about themselves. If it causes damage to the military and hurts the people it's supposed to be helping then it is not worth it in my opinion.

There are plenty of gay people who serve in the military today and they can contribute as much as anyone else. That said, what people do in the privacy of their own bedroom isn't anyone else's business, and it should stay that way. That's why don't ask don't tell worked (for the most part). The people who serve with you don't need to know about your love life, whether you are gay, heterosexual, transsexual, or anything else.
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The problem with the policy, Rachel, is that gay people who serve have to constantly be worried about being "outed." They say "don't ask, don't tell," but really its "don't ask, keep-everything-a-big-secret." All that needs happen is that someone sees you off duty at a club or holding hands with your lover and its all over. Courtmartial, see ya! And the policy has actually INCREASED the level of suspicion and surveillance.

Unless gay people can manage to find love without actually looking for it in any way, they have a problem. Lovers don't just pop into your private bedroom by magic--you have to look for them, and anything you do to look for them is public information that can be used against you, even if you it totally away from your duty station.
 
Rassales said:
The problem with the policy, Rachel, is that gay people who serve have to constantly be worried about being "outed." They say "don't ask, don't tell," but really its "don't ask, keep-everything-a-big-secret." All that needs happen is that someone sees you off duty at a club or holding hands with your lover and its all over. Courtmartial, see ya! And the policy has actually INCREASED the level of suspicion and surveillance.

Unless gay people can manage to find love without actually looking for it in any way, they have a problem. Lovers don't just pop into your private bedroom by magic--you have to look for them, and anything you do to look for them is public information that can be used against you, even if you it totally away from your duty station.
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Well said. Quite right. And we should not ask that of anyone.
 
Rassales said:
The problem with the policy, Rachel, is that gay people who serve have to constantly be worried about being "outed." They say "don't ask, don't tell," but really its "don't ask, keep-everything-a-big-secret." All that needs happen is that someone sees you off duty at a club or holding hands with your lover and its all over. Courtmartial, see ya! And the policy has actually INCREASED the level of suspicion and surveillance.

Unless gay people can manage to find love without actually looking for it in any way, they have a problem. Lovers don't just pop into your private bedroom by magic--you have to look for them, and anything you do to look for them is public information that can be used against you, even if you it totally away from your duty station.
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In my opinion, if you're serving on a navy ship and you're looking for love, you're in the wrong line of work. And if you get caught you have to accept the consequences. There's just no room for that on a ship, or on a base. Of course it happens. But it's a distraction, so it's discouraged.

Same sex couples aren't equal under the law outside the military, so how do you expect them to be equal inside the military? Now getting everyone to be open about their sexual orientation in the military is going to bring up a lot of problems. The military should be concentrating on fighting the enemy not correcting society's problems.

It's too much of a distraction. Allow same sex couples to get married in every state first, then after that's legal everywhere, then maybe start changing the military. It just seems too soon to me, that's all.

And what if the next conservative president decides to bring back don't asks don't tell? This is just going to cause so many problems. This debate should stay outside of the military for now, although I admit that eventually it will change if society changes.
 
Everyone looks for love. So do heterosexuals in the Navy.
 
Phantom said:
Fear tactics don't work on everyone, including me. Yes the DADT is a good draft dodger and I was planning on using it if the time comes... But I don't see why we would have a draft anytime soon. I have 2 borders to run too - or I could fake a medical problem... If all else fails I will gladly sit outside with a gun in my hand when they come to take me away :)
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Your a real patriot my friend, not?:roll:
 
Rachel said:
I don't understand why this has to be a partisan issue. Frankly, I think it's a mistake. It certainly won't be the end of the world. But if something works, why try to fix it? This should be decided based on a purely objective analysis of what's best for the men and women who serve. Not based on what makes a few politicians feel good about themselves. If it causes damage to the military and hurts the people it's supposed to be helping then it is not worth it in my opinion.

There are plenty of gay people who serve in the military today and they can contribute as much as anyone else. That said, what people do in the privacy of their own bedroom isn't anyone else's business, and it should stay that way. That's why don't ask don't tell worked (for the most part). The people who serve with you don't need to know about your love life, whether you are gay, heterosexual, transsexual, or anything else.

Just leave politics out of it.[/

Excellent post, thank you


I wish it was that easy.........
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Rachel said:
In my opinion, if you're serving on a navy ship and you're looking for love, you're in the wrong line of work. And if you get caught you have to accept the consequences. There's just no room for that on a ship, or on a base. Of course it happens. But it's a distraction, so it's discouraged.
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Perhaps you don't understand the rule. Homosexuals in the military can be dismissed for any conduct that comes to light, no matter where they do it. If someone keeps an apartment off base, and someone sees him coming out of it arm in arm with another guy, and that's reported to a CO, they can and will bounce him.

On the other hand, sexual conduct aboard ship is restricted for everyone, as I understand it. So looking for love on a Navy ship is against regs, and would be if they repeated DADT.
Same sex couples aren't equal under the law outside the military, so how do you expect them to be equal inside the military? Now getting everyone to be open about their sexual orientation in the military is going to bring up a lot of problems. The military should be concentrating on fighting the enemy not correcting society's problems.
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No one will HAVE to be open about anything if they repeal this rule.

It's too much of a distraction. Allow same sex couples to get married in every state first, then after that's legal everywhere, then maybe start changing the military. It just seems too soon to me, that's all.
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Were the rules against miscegenation disallowed before or after black and whites were placed in the same unit in the military?

And what if the next conservative president decides to bring back don't asks don't tell? This is just going to cause so many problems. This debate should stay outside of the military for now, although I admit that eventually it will change if society changes.
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Society has changed. What private employer would give up the benefit of a skilled worker just because he's gay? Only a foolish one.
 
Navy Pride said:
Your a real patriot my friend, not?:roll:
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I'm not military material and I don't believe in the draft. Don't you understand that the military isn't for everyone?
 
Phantom said:
I'm not military material and I don't believe in the draft. Don't you understand that the military isn't for everyone?
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Yeah as long as someone can fight and die for you, why not?
 
Navy Pride said:
Yeah as long as someone can fight and die for you, why not?
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Every person has their own talents and goals in life. There are people who have what it takes to join the military, but I'm not one of them.
 
disneydude said:
You are so wrong Navy. Have you even looked at your own link on a similar post.
73% of soldiers support ending the ban (see Navy...they aren't as close minded as your generation which you are supporting your opinion on).

Have you watched the video on the link that YOU posted.
They show the troops laughing at the DADT policy when Stephen Colbert is making fun of it.

Most soldiers like most Americans are not the bigots that existed decades ago.
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No, they're laughing at all the accidental shootings that will occur in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
Redress said:
And you are basing this on what? Your own outdated beliefs that most people don't agree with any more, especially young people?
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No, it's called common sense, something that seems to be lacking with young people, these days.
 
disneydude said:
Navy....you are so afraid of change and ending discrimination...which is evidenced by you trying to play the fear card here.

Right-wingers are so afraid of ending DADT because they are afraid that people who might otherwise not be exposed to gay people will find out that they aren't the monsters that the radical right wants them to believe.
Most every study shows that people who know gay people on a close basis, support gay rights substantially more than those who don't.
The right-wing fights against this because they are afraid that if Americans become more and more acquainted with gay people, the lies of the right-wing will be exposed. Isn't this your true agenda Navy?
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I don't want a close relationship with gay people. In fact, the farther they get away from me the better.
 
Rassales said:
No one will care about the sexual preferences of the guy in the next bunk so long as they can count on him shooting the guy shooting at them.
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Really? That's the problem. I'd be serioulsy worried if that guy in the bunk next to me, decided to get in my bunk. You sleep next to him, if you love gays so much.
 
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obvious Child said:
So if your sibling admitted they were gay, you'd cut off all relations with them?
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You got it. I have a cousin that is one. I see him at funerals. I say hi, but don't have anything to do with him, and his boyfriend.
 
bicycleman said:
You got it. I have a cousin that is one. I see him at funerals. I say hi, but don't have anything to do with him, and his boyfriend.
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I bet they secretly talk about how fun it would be to force you to have gay sex with them. Playing hard to get like that just makes them want you more.
 
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