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Obama State of the Union

Catawba said:
I had thought it would take this administration years to have made as much of a comeback as we have. According to economist, the time to decrease spending is in boom times, and I don't think we are quite there yet do you?
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This is the longest post war recession. It should be over Obama will drag it out like was done with the depression. Spending and creating debt will prolong it not fix it.
 
Catawba said:
I've already provided proof that things have improved, if slightly.

What proof do you have that things have not improved at all?
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It could have happened anyway if Obama would let the markets work. Obama is trying to destroy our capitalism.

So hundreds of thousands still losing jobs is better?

I see no improvement that can be directly attributed to Obama.
 
Catawba;1058566752]Money lost in the market has been considerable as well as decreased business for us. Fortunately, since this administration, I am seeing some improvement. Tell us how the Obama administration has hurt you or your family since he became president?
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I wasn't hurt during the recession and benefited from 46 straight months of positive economic growth during the Bush years and a stock market that rose to over 14000. I converted my holdings to cash when the Democrats took control of Congress in 2007 for I knew what they would do and wasn't wrong


Only basic courses, but I have observed what has worked and what has not worked through history.
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Then you believe the European model works? By what standards?


Many economists believe that shutting down all cash flow in a recession is the worst thing you could do. And since their was none in the private sector, that only left the government with the capacity do keep things moving. And the much of the stimulus was targeted to improve our long term needs, in education, alternative energy, and the environment, all of which are critical to our future success as a country.
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The quickest way to get cash flowing in a private sector economy is tax cuts, not rebates, actual tax cuts. Targeting long term needs isn't a stimulus it is an investment in the future and thus the stimulus plan was a fraud. "Your" President claimed it was an emergency but investing in the future isn't the stimulus we needed right now.


Of the 12.3 trillion dollar debt, Obama has only added 2.6 trillion and most of that went to clean up the mess from the last decade. I will agree however that our 2 unfunded wars, Bush's 1 trillion dollar debt for his unfunded tax cuts, and his 1 trillion dollar unfunded and unworkable prescription card program, really put a hurting in the country, and I did not support them.
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You keep saying that, now back it up with facts. Tax cuts that grow revenue aren't expenses. Prove your statement with actual data, not leftwing propaganda. Sorry you don't know how to use your own money but most Americans do. You really need to stop buying what you are told and actually get the facts.


Had to slip a little insult in there didn't you! What is it with you and the insults? It has nothing to do with my knowledge or my patriotism. Both of us, I presume, want our country to flourish. We simply have different priorities on how to accomplish that and who we want to be in on the improved status.
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Stating facts is not an insult. You haven't a clue as to what makes this country great and I assure you it isn't the economic policy of Barack Obama. Free enterprise and capitalism made this country great, not redistribution of wealth and apologizing to the world for all the good we have done.


No, that is why I've been pleased that under Obama the rate of job losses have slowed from the rate of job losses when Bush left, and economic growth is beginning to recover again.
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Do you read anything but leftwing sites. When you spend trillions and create only govt. jobs you are going to slow down job losses. That is short term and unsustainable. Again blaming Bush serves no purpose because it is a lie. Congress with "your" president in the Senate helped create the mess we have but now we have "your" President along with Pelosi and Reid unable to get us out of it. You think things are great but your short term thinking makes you incapable of seeing the bill we are going to get for this so called saving of the economy.



Nope, I have no problem with capitalism, as long as it is properly regulated. The problems came about when the regulations on banks and speculators were gutted in the 90's.
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We have a regulated capitalism where bureaucrats and the SEC didn't do their job. Do you know who was in charge of the Govt. in the 90's? Oh, wait, then it was Congress's fault not Clinton whereas it was Bush's fault but not the Congress in 2007-2008. Got it now.
 
Conservative said:
4 million jobs lost, millions dropping out of the labor force, trillions in deficits added to the debt. Net interest on the debt is soon to exceed the Dept. of Defense and we get nothing for it and there is no end in site. States around the nation are bankrupt and things are getting worse. Provide specifics that things are getting better not just words.
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"NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The long-suffering U.S. jobs market improved significantly in November, as employers trimmed the fewest jobs of any month since the start of the recession."
November jobs report shows big improvement - Dec. 4, 2009

States around the country would have been in much worse shape without the stimulus money provided by Obama that prevented layoffs of state employees.

Obama has made more strides in funding research and development in alternatives to our dwindling oil supplies than any other president in history, in just his first year and he has done more to reduce our greenhouse gasses than any president in history, all in his first year!

If you are concerned about debt, I suggest after we have made a recovery from the mess left by the last administration that we look at ways to both decrease spending and raise revenues. That is how Clinton lowered our debt.
 
Catawba said:
"NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The long-suffering U.S. jobs market improved significantly in November, as employers trimmed the fewest jobs of any month since the start of the recession."
November jobs report shows big improvement - Dec. 4, 2009

States around the country would have been in much worse shape without the stimulus money provided by Obama that prevented layoffs of state employees.

Obama has made more strides in funding research and development in alternatives to our dwindling oil supplies than any other president in history, in just his first year and he has done more to reduce our greenhouse gasses than any president in history, all in his first year!

If you are concerned about debt, I suggest after we have made a recovery from the mess left by the last administration that we look at ways to both decrease spending and raise revenues. That is how Clinton lowered our debt.
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Obviously you don't understand that we now have a lower base than anytime in recent history as more and more people dropped out of the labor market giving up on trying to find a job. Job losses are still losses and we are still losing jobs. Keep up the :spin:

Now there you go again, debt from the previous Administration. If only we had that debt, not what is being created now. What part of Obama creating more debt in two years than Bush did in 8 do you not understand? You keep saying the same thing over and over again as if you believe we will forget that you were distorting the record then and doing the same now.

By the way, govt. raises revenue one way and one way only, taxes, but the problem is taxes being raised costs jobs and thus taxpayers thus govt. revenue drops when taxes are raised.
 
ptif219 said:
This is the longest post war recession.
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Post war? So our troops are home from Iraq and Afghanistan now? When did this happen?
 
Catawba said:
Post war? So our troops are home from Iraq and Afghanistan now? When did this happen?
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Shows you don't know about finance. That refers to WW2 which is how we got out of the depression.
 
Conservative said:
Keep up the :spin:
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I tire of your insults and going around in circles with you. We obviously have different priorities. We will just have to wait another 7 years to see how Obama does by the end of his terms. :2wave:
 
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Catawba said:
I tire of going around in circles with you. We obviously have different priorities. We will just have to wait another 7 years to see how Obama does by the end of his terms. :2wave:
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3 years Obama will not get a second term
 
ptif219 said:
Shows you don't know about finance. That refers to WW2 which is how we got out of the depression.
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Right, spending money. Same thing Obama is doing now.
 
ptif219 said:
Hard to say but if Obama keeps doing what he is doing he is gone. Notice his approval numbers
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look what i found.:mrgreen:

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Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval
 
ptif219 said:
Spending money kept the depression going for 14 years war stopped the depression.
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Spending on the war ended the depression.
 
Catawba said:
The Republicans approval rating of 27% are at about half of Obama's approval numbers:

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So, like I said before, who do you think can beat him?
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Yet the democrats keep losing elections.

If Obama is not creating jobs and no one sees things getting better anyone can beat him.
 
ptif219 said:
No everyone was working
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Because of government spending to manufacture equipment needed for war.

Where would the jobs (and funding for those jobs) have come from without the government contracts (spending)?
 
ptif219 said:
Yet the democrats keep losing elections.

If Obama is not creating jobs and no one sees things getting better anyone can beat him.
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The job loss rate has already been reduced under Obama in just his first year due to his creation of jobs and preventing layoffs from states through funding to them. If the first year trend continues, the jobless rate could be much improved by 2012.

Since Obama has a job approval rating almost twice that of the Republicans under our current jobless rate, what do you think his approval rating will be in 2012 with a much lower unemployment rate?

And who do you think will be able to beat him 2012? Palin? Romney? Huckabee?
 
Catawba said:
Because of government spending to manufacture equipment needed for war.

Where would the jobs (and funding for those jobs) have come from without the government contracts (spending)?
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Total different circumstances. Notice 14 years of democrat spending and the new deal only prolonged the depression.
 
Catawba said:
The job loss rate has already been reduced under Obama in just his first year due to his creation of jobs and preventing layoffs from states through funding to them. If the first year trend continues, the jobless rate could be much improved by 2012.

Since Obama has a job approval rating almost twice that of the Republicans under our current jobless rate, what do you think his approval rating will be in 2012 with a much lower unemployment rate?

And who do you think will be able to beat him 2012? Palin? Romney? Huckabee?
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That is crap and Obama talking points. There is no proof of jobs saved and Obama even counts raises as job saved even though they would not have lost their jobs.

Obama Is lying about jobs.

We are still losing hundreds of thousands of jobs.

Another Disappointment: 480,000 New Jobless Claims

Economists had been looking and hoping for about 458,000, so today's continuing claims number of 480,000 is a disappointment.
 
Catawba said:
The job loss rate has already been reduced under Obama in just his first year due to his creation of jobs and preventing layoffs from states through funding to them. If the first year trend continues, the jobless rate could be much improved by 2012.

Since Obama has a job approval rating almost twice that of the Republicans under our current jobless rate, what do you think his approval rating will be in 2012 with a much lower unemployment rate?

And who do you think will be able to beat him 2012? Palin? Romney? Huckabee?
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You are beyond hope. You buy what you are told by leftwing websites and pass it off as factual when the reality is you are being lied to and the numbers distorted.

There has been no private sector job creation and there has been no drop in the number of unemployed. People are dropping out of the work force and have stopped looking for jobs thus are no longer counted thus making for a smaller base.

You continue to want to believe what you are told yet like far too many you want to believe what you made the right choice but Obama was unqualified to be President as he lacks leadership skills. At this rate anyone can beat Obama in the next election and the Democrats are going to lose big in November because of Obama. You want to believe differently, so be it. It is a waste of time giving you actual facts. You are either so blinded by your ideology or not smart enough to understand that actual facts make you look foolish.
 
Conservative said:
You are beyond hope. You buy what you are told by leftwing websites and pass it off as factual when the reality is you are being lied to and the numbers distorted.

There has been no private sector job creation and there has been no drop in the number of unemployed. People are dropping out of the work force and have stopped looking for jobs thus are no longer counted thus making for a smaller base.
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Hardly a "leftwing website ".:2wave:

The unemployment rate fell from 10.0 to 9.7 percent in January, and nonfarm payroll employment was essentially unchanged (-20,000), the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today.
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Employment Situation Summary
 
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