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Obama State of the Union

Sow where the GOP supported Cap and Trade

Let's stick to one thing at a time.

Which representative that Maddow cited did not both vote against the stimulus plan and also make a show of how beneficial it was to their state?

I'll wait!
 
Let's stick to one thing at a time.

Which representative that Maddow cited did not both vote against the stimulus plan and also make a show of how beneficial it was to their state?

I'll wait!

I see we only discuss the part of the article that you think is a gotchya.

Answer my question.
 
I see we only discuss the part of the article that you think is a gotchya.

Answer my question.

You are the one that made the claim that the GOP did not both vote against stimulus and promote its benefits to their states.

Back up that claim or admit that you cannot and then I will address your new claim.
 
You are the one that made the claim that the GOP did not both vote against stimulus and promote its benefits to their states.

Back up that claim or admit that you cannot and then I will address your new claim.

No you said show where Maddow was wrong but you will not address the part of her rant I bring up.

I said nothing about the stimulus.
 
No you said show where Maddow was wrong but you will not address the part of her rant I bring up.

I said nothing about the stimulus.

So you agree with Maddow's assessment on the stimulus hypocrisy by the GOP?
 
No comment answer my question

Your no comment is your answer. You have nothing with which to refute Maddow's astute reporting on the GOP hypocrisy over the Stimulus bill.

Now that's out of the way, on to your next goal post:

Sow where the GOP supported Cap and Trade


McCain Pushes 'Cap-And-Trade' Plan to Fight Global Warming



Lindsey Graham Backpedaling On Cap And Trade Climate Bill?


"When asked to testify during today's debate in Iowa (Raise your hands if you think climate change presents a serious threat) most refused. (Sen. John McCain and Rudy Giuliani, to their credit, and, somewhat more timidly, Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney, started to raise their hands before the question was derailed."
Read more: Iowa Debate - Republicans Refuse to Raise Hands to Acknowledge Threat of Global Warming in Iowa Debate - YouTube Clip - thedailygreen.com

And others:
 
Your no comment is your answer. You have nothing with which to refute Maddow's astute reporting on the GOP hypocrisy over the Stimulus bill.

Now that's out of the way, on to your next goal post:




McCain Pushes 'Cap-And-Trade' Plan to Fight Global Warming



Lindsey Graham Backpedaling On Cap And Trade Climate Bill?


"When asked to testify during today's debate in Iowa (Raise your hands if you think climate change presents a serious threat) most refused. (Sen. John McCain and Rudy Giuliani, to their credit, and, somewhat more timidly, Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney, started to raise their hands before the question was derailed."
Read more: Iowa Debate - Republicans Refuse to Raise Hands to Acknowledge Threat of Global Warming in Iowa Debate - YouTube Clip - thedailygreen.com

And others:

I never addressed the stimulus and have not looked at that. You links to my question prove nothing.

McCain was in 2008 under not under Obama so the difference may be what Obama wants. Graham link did not work.

The GOP believing that global warming is not mans fault is correct and accurate. This shows they would not support cap and trade. I do not understand what you think that proves.
 
The Maddow hit piece is so generic and general it means nothing and shows no proof of anything.
 
I never addressed the stimulus and have not looked at that.

Well look at it and get back with me, if you have the nerve.


McCain was in 2008 under not under Obama so the difference may be what Obama wants.

Cap and trade was first introduced by McCain and Lieberman, in 2003 and 2005.

Graham link did not work.

It does now: Lindsey Graham Backpedaling On Cap And Trade Climate Bill?
The GOP believing that global warming is not mans fault is correct and accurate. This shows they would not support cap and trade. I do not understand what you think that proves.

It only proves that John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney, and all the Republicans that voted for the Republican bill in 2003 and 2005 believed than that "climate change presents a serious threat, and that they are hypocrites in opposing it now when presented by the Democrats.
 
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Well look at it and get back with me, if you have the nerve.

Look at what her generic general rant that has no facts or proof?


Cap and trade was first introduced by McCain and Lieberman, in 2003 and 2005.

Again under Bush. The bills put forth under Obama are not what they wanted.

It does now: Lindsey Graham Backpedaling On Cap And Trade Climate Bill?

Did you read it he said he would work with them but was is proposed does not work


It only proves that John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney, and all the Republicans that voted for the Republican bill in 2003 and 2005 believed than that "climate change presents a serious threat, and that they are hypocrites in opposing it now when presented by the Democrats.


It proves that the democrats bill does not do what they want. With all the proof of fraud and lies from GW scientist in the last few months why would anyone continue to believe GW is caused by man.
 
Look at what her generic general rant that has no facts or proof?

Did you even see her report???? She provide taped clips in their own words endorsing the same programs, but when they were proposed by Obama they were opposed to them.

She named off 25 different Republicans that voted against the Stimulus bill that later went around their states handing out Obama's money as if it was coming from them, praising how much good it would do for their state.

The hypocrisy was vivid and undeniable, as she presented clips of them in their own words.


Cap and trade was first introduced by McCain and Lieberman, in 2003 and 2005.

Again under Bush.

Yeah, that's why the hypocrisy is so apparent.

The bills put forth under Obama are not what they wanted.

List the differences.

And that would not explain their vote against the stimulus and simultaneously praising the funding in their states, would it?

Did you read it he said he would work with them but was is proposed does not work.

How is it different that what McCain proposed in his cap and trade bill?


It only proves that John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney, and all the Republicans that voted for the Republican bill in 2003 and 2005 believed than that "climate change presents a serious threat, and that they are hypocrites in opposing it now when presented by the Democrats.

It proves that the democrats bill does not do what they want.

Nice try, what they said back then was that "climate change presents a serious threat," something they deny today. Pure, vivid hypocrisy!
With all the proof of fraud and lies from GW scientist in the last few months why would anyone continue to believe GW is caused by man.

There has been nothing that has changed the consensus of the world's scientists on climate change.
 
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Nice spin, so it saved 2 million jobs and according to you that is worth approving 787 billion in stimulus? Would you have been that happy if Bush had gotten the same results? This whole saved job cr.p is just that. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

There is no way of measuring saved jobs and as I pointed out subtract another 2 million jobs from the employment number and see what affect that has on unemployment?

This is nothing more than spinning a poor situation and trying to make it look better when the reality is the so called job saved is minor compared to the money spent. The govt. could have and should have given out that entire amount in tax cuts and the benefits would have been greater for all Americans.

Worth can be somewhat subjective. I'm sure it is worth more to those still working due to the stimulus than those not. What would you be saying if things were worse?
 
Did you even see her report???? She provide taped clips in their own words endorsing the same programs, but when they were proposed by Obama they were opposed to them.

She named off 25 different Republicans that voted against the Stimulus bill that later went around their states handing out Obama's money as if it was coming from them, praising how much good it would do for their state.

The hypocrisy was vivid and undeniable, as she presented clips of them in their own words.


Cap and trade was first introduced by McCain and Lieberman, in 2003 and 2005.



Yeah, that's why the hypocrisy is so apparent.



List the differences.

And that would not explain their vote against the stimulus and simultaneously praising the funding in their states, would it?



How is it different that what McCain proposed in his cap and trade bill?


It only proves that John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney, and all the Republicans that voted for the Republican bill in 2003 and 2005 believed than that "climate change presents a serious threat, and that they are hypocrites in opposing it now when presented by the Democrats.



Nice try, what they said back then was that "climate change presents a serious threat," something they deny today. Pure, vivid hypocrisy!


There has been nothing that has changed the consensus of the world's scientists on climate change.

So fraud and lies does not change the climate consensus.. You need to get off the Koolaid.

So the stimulus was a bad bill but they should turn away the money? Get real this is partisan hackery by Maddow.

It is ok when Byrd and Murtha do pork but this by the GOP is bad. The stimulus has done little to help
 
So the stimulus was a bad bill but they should turn away the money? Get real this is partisan hackery by Maddow.

They didn't just accept the money after they voted against it, which shows a lack of integrity by itself. They posed smiling for pictures of them signing oversized checks and boasted about how much good this would do in their states.

As I said the the hypocrisy is vivid and clear cut, and anyone expect partisan hacks will be able to see for themselves below:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VOE6JRfDs8"]YouTube- Rachel Maddows Factually Shows GOP hypocrisy - Vote against stimulus and policy they support[/ame]
 
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So fraud and lies does not change the climate consensus.. You need to get off the Koolaid.

So the stimulus was a bad bill but they should turn away the money? Get real this is partisan hackery by Maddow.

It is ok when Byrd and Murtha do pork but this by the GOP is bad. The stimulus has done little to help

Get off the Koolaid? That even better than I double dog dare ya.:roll:
 
They didn't just accept the money after they voted against it, which shows a lack of integrity by itself. They posed smiling for pictures of them signing oversized checks and boasted about how much good this would do in their states.

As I said the the hypocrisy is vivid and clear cut, and anyone expect partisan hacks will be able to see for themselves below:

YouTube- Rachel Maddows Factually Shows GOP hypocrisy - Vote against stimulus and policy they support

They are doing what politicians do campaigning and showing what the feds are doing for their state.
 
They are doing what politicians do campaigning and showing what the feds are doing for their state.

Sure is great to see them get exposed for their hypocrisy!!!
 
Worth can be somewhat subjective. I'm sure it is worth more to those still working due to the stimulus than those not. What would you be saying if things were worse?

What I am saying is you cannot believe a word out of this WH which seems to still be in campaign mode. Name for us one economic prediction the Administration has made that has been accurate? The problem is this Administration always gives you information that cannot be proven, just like saved jobs. The issue is how many jobs have been lost since January 09, almost 4 million with millions dropping out of the workforce giving up on looking for a job. Wouldn't you think that passing a 787 billion stimulus should have created a lot of jobs?
 
Wouldn't you think that passing a 787 billion stimulus should have created a lot of jobs?

It saved untold number of jobs throughout the country, as most of the Republicans bragged about on how much the stimulus funding would help their states. Without it, most of the states would have had to lay off police, firefighters,teachers and other government workers. That is why they are smiling so big with those federal checks, as seen below:
 
It saved untold number of jobs throughout the country, as most of the Republicans bragged about on how much the stimulus funding would help their states. Without it, most of the states would have had to lay off police, firefighters,teachers and other government workers. That is why they are smiling so big with those federal checks, as seen below:

Hopefully, the rest of the stimulus will help out people like Joe the plumber, middle class hard working blue collar workers!
 
It saved untold number of jobs throughout the country, as most of the Republicans bragged about on how much the stimulus funding would help their states. Without it, most of the states would have had to lay off police, firefighters,teachers and other government workers. That is why they are smiling so big with those federal checks, as seen below:

As seen below is more rhetoric. Not surprising that you believe everything that Obama tells you. It doesn't matter that everything he has told you is a lie but since it is coming from a leftwing empty suit, you believe it.
 
Hopefully, the rest of the stimulus will help out people like Joe the plumber, middle class hard working blue collar workers!

Hi Jiyuu! Hope you are doing well! Police, firefighters, teachers, and other city workers are not middle class hardworking workers? What about the construction workers hired for all the infrastructure jobs funded by the stimulus money?
 
As seen below is more rhetoric. Not surprising that you believe everything that Obama tells you. It doesn't matter that everything he has told you is a lie but since it is coming from a leftwing empty suit, you believe it.

Obama was not in the report, just Republicans singing the praises of the stimulus money! Do you somehow believe the photos were photoshopped?

I believe what I see with my own eyes, as do most people without blinders.
 
Obama was not in the report, just Republicans singing the praises of the stimulus money! Do you somehow believe the photos were photoshopped?

I believe what I see with my own eyes, as do most people without blinders.

That is a lie, you ignore actual data because it doesn't fit with your ideology and biased, partisan viewpoint. I don't know what Reagan or Bush did to hurt you or your family but you hated has blinded you. When Bush left office there were 11.4 million unemployed people, today that is 15.2 million, that is an increase and Obama had a 787 billion stimulus plan. Apparently almost 4 million workers lost their jobs so you can believe that jobs were saved and it would be worse but the reality is nothing this empty suit has said has become reality. He, you, and anyone else that supports him are simply too naive and gullible for words.
 
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