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Police arrest football fan for rooting the wrong team!

There is some footage missing, which does raise a red flag, but what we see here doesn't seem justify the cops even getting involved.

Random fans of the opposing team are strongly defending the guy. If he was truly antagonizing them or trying to pick a fight, they most likely would've applauded his arrest. This seems to point to him being a loud, expressive fan, but not a trouble maker. I've sat next to fans of the opposing team who were quite passionate, but I've always been able to get along with them. The last Cubs v Cards game I was at I was next to a whole row of Cardinal fans and we all had a blast talking baseball and cheering against each other.

Also, public drunkness is a BS charge. If that's the only reason they had to arrest him, then why was he singled out when probably a third or more of the stadium was guilty of the same thing?

Someone posted something about being pre-emptive. Law enforcement isn't allowed to be pre-emptive. You can't arrest someone for a crime you think they might commit.
 
Being drunk isn't against the law in and of itself, except for pathetic selectively enforced laws like "public drunkenness" which shouldn't be a law in the first place. There needs to be actual offense. Till such is given, presumption of innocence falls to the individual not the cops.

The stadium can set its own rules for drunkeness. I know sitting next to a fool like that at a football game could ruin my day. He refused to obey an order by the cops to leave the stands. What should the cops have done then. Walk away?
I believe the cops had a legitimate reason to arrest him. I doubt they did it for kicks. Cops are notorious for not making more work for themselves then they have to. They really didn't want to have to do the paper work on this guy.
 
Being drunk isn't against the law in and of itself, except for pathetic selectively enforced laws like "public drunkenness" which shouldn't be a law in the first place. There needs to be actual offense. Till such is given, presumption of innocence falls to the individual not the cops.

The stadium has the right to set their drunkeness standards and to eject anyone that is causing a disturbance. They also can revoke season tickets.
 
There is some footage missing, which does raise a red flag, but what we see here doesn't seem justify the cops even getting involved.

Random fans of the opposing team are strongly defending the guy. If he was truly antagonizing them or trying to pick a fight, they most likely would've applauded his arrest. This seems to point to him being a loud, expressive fan, but not a trouble maker. I've sat next to fans of the opposing team who were quite passionate, but I've always been able to get along with them. The last Cubs v Cards game I was at I was next to a whole row of Cardinal fans and we all had a blast talking baseball and cheering against each other.

Also, public drunkness is a BS charge. If that's the only reason they had to arrest him, then why was he singled out when probably a third or more of the stadium was guilty of the same thing?

Someone posted something about being pre-emptive. Law enforcement isn't allowed to be pre-emptive. You can't arrest someone for a crime you think they might commit.

Without the missing tape immediate prior to him being cuffed there is no way of knowing the behavior of him or the cops.

You also allude to the fact that probably a third of more of the stadium being drunk then why is this guy singled out? The behavior you do see is him resisting and fighting back. With his resistance it looks as he brought this on himself.

On the pre-emptive note it is true you don't arrest someone for a possible crime. But you can give a warning out to someone to calm down. The other clue is that cops do not appear belligerent to anyone else. Usually in a situation where police are in an angry state they will quickly order others to back away. Here we see an officer lean over to the spectator in front and try to explain why they are arresting him. He does not appear to be overly menacing to me.
 
............"Carroll was arrested on suspicion of public intoxication and delaying or obstructing a police officer in his duties."
So is this what they were thinking at the time, or is this something that they came up with later?

Rhetorical question, since we'll probably never know.
 
I've seen nobody on the thread make such a statement.

I stand corrected. The thread I saw said "So I can bet that the officer is a lying scumbag many police officers are."

So they don't all lie but many do was the sentiment. The sentiment seemed to be that the cops were just bullying people around and I didn't see that. Nor in the tape shown do I see the man arrrested physically bullying any one else.
 
I stand corrected. The thread I saw said "So I can bet that the officer is a lying scumbag many police officers are."

So they don't all lie but many do was the sentiment. The sentiment seemed to be that the cops were just bullying people around and I didn't see that. Nor in the tape shown do I see the man arrrested physically bullying any one else.

I would give the cops the benifit of the doubt, especially with so many witnesses. Fans, drink, get drunk and become so obnoxious they ruin the enjoyment for others. I do believe the cops were just doing their jobs. Did the guy plead guilty, yet?
 
Dont they separate fans of opposing teams and enforce the seating? It's just common sense. He was potentially endangering himself with his behavior.
 
So Cal pigs. I'm not surprised.
 
I would like to see those fancy panties San Diego cops try to arrest a Boston Red Sox fan in Yankee stadium on game day. Half of those pigs look like they haven't seen a salad since graduation day. I hope the Jets fan sues for a billion dollars.


:rofl I would love to see that too:2razz:
 
The stadium can set its own rules for drunkeness. I know sitting next to a fool like that at a football game could ruin my day. He refused to obey an order by the cops to leave the stands. What should the cops have done then. Walk away?
I believe the cops had a legitimate reason to arrest him. I doubt they did it for kicks. Cops are notorious for not making more work for themselves then they have to. They really didn't want to have to do the paper work on this guy.

I'm sure they are notorious for not wanting to do paper work as they are notorious for lying. It's not that he refused and it isn't that he was a bother to anyone. The cops should have just realized that drunk people=unruly therefore they should have not touched him or approached him until he hit someone. And believe it or not the cops will benefit the most from this because he will have to pay a fine which cops are notorious for giving out.
 
I'm sure they are notorious for not wanting to do paper work as they are notorious for lying. It's not that he refused and it isn't that he was a bother to anyone. The cops should have just realized that drunk people=unruly therefore they should have not touched him or approached him until he hit someone. And believe it or not the cops will benefit the most from this because he will have to pay a fine which cops are notorious for giving out.

So the cops should have babysat the guy untill he assaulted someone? :roll:
The guy was drunk and disorderly. The cops politely tried to remove him from the stands, he resisted and they used force to remove him. Hopefully the results of his trial will be made as public as the incomplete video.
Most cops are honest, hard working, conscientious, ex military people. They are us.
 
So is this what they were thinking at the time, or is this something that they came up with later?

Rhetorical question, since we'll probably never know.

Those were the charges filed against him.
 
So the cops should have babysat the guy untill he assaulted someone? :roll:
The guy was drunk and disorderly. The cops politely tried to remove him from the stands, he resisted and they used force to remove him. Hopefully the results of his trial will be made as public as the incomplete video.
Most cops are honest, hard working, conscientious, ex military people. They are us.

NO he wasn't disorderly. And it isn't wrong or illegal to be drunk, most people-his age-get drunk at least once a week. And are they all arrested?
Besides it was a sporting evenet, so people are expected to be drinking. And drunk.
Most cops are ex-military and has it ever occurred to you the type of people who join the military? Cops are not ex special forces or high ranking officers...basically the ones who need to think. So you are right cops are not thinkers, they are just brutes. And yeah there are good cops who wouldn't arrest someone for just being drunk. But the cops in the video they were not doing it to preserve order they were doing it just to bully.
There are many police officers who become officers just to bully and that trend is only getting more popular. Cops do not represent me. The way they behave on most occassions is just wrong.
 
NO he wasn't disorderly. And it isn't wrong or illegal to be drunk, most people-his age-get drunk at least once a week. And are they all arrested?
Besides it was a sporting evenet, so people are expected to be drinking. And drunk.
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Actually they didn't arrest him for being drunk. He refused a lawful order to leave the stands. The stadium owners have the right to refuse service to anyone. The cops were just doing their job. There were 42 ejections at that game. Without police, American football games would be like european soccer games
 
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So how did this warrant a news story?
 
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