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Conservative said:
Please start a Reagan thread because I would love to educate you. For someone who claims to be 56 you certainly have a distorted view of what went on during the 80's and for someone who claimes to have voted for Reagan you obviously don't know who you voted for and what he actually accomplished.

This thread has gone way off on a tangent which of course makes for a great diversion for what is going on today.
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Everything I stated was true. You are in denial.
Oh I forgot about the Savings and loan crisis under Reagans watch that cost taxpayers billion.

Fact: Reagan raised taxes several times including raising the cap on SS(I remember it well, my takehome pay dropped significantly)
Fact: Reagan increased government spending, ballooning the deficit
Fact: Reagan dealt with terrorists
Fact: Reagans last term was followed by a recession that lasted 14 months
Fact: The savings and loan crisis started during Reagans watch
What part of this do you disagree with? Sorry to burst your bubble but it's all true.

I agreed that we had a few good years while Reagan was president but it did not last. That is the truth. The only reason Clinton had a few good years was the tech bubble that artificially boosted the economy.
 
Crunch said:
You mean like Reagan ending the Cold War? Now there is a foreign affairs blunder if I ever saw one. :roll:
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He didn't end ****. The USSR failed because of the stagnant and non-doctrinaire leaders who were more interested in their personal gains than any sort of nation improvement. Gorbachev and Breshnev were wildly inefficient leaders and the USSR broke into the commonwealth in 1991, if only because there was no national unity and the communist policies were becoming more and more statist.
 
ADK_Forever said:
Granted, he had some great PR people behind his image. And, just like the way you guys repeat ad nauseum revisionist history portraying Bush as a national security president over and over and over - people start to believe things they hear repeated so often. You know, like those silly tv ads. So, lies about reagan have been ongoing since he left office. And they continue today... still ignoring all the facts of what really happened.
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ADK, you don't have a lot of credibility on this issue or any other. For someone who has the tag line that you do and allows the Obama lies to slide and allows this President to abandon transparency ought to take a look in the mirror and see someone without any credibility.
 
Conservative said:
And yet today he is one of the most admired President and revered by the majority in this country. Someone has a distorted view of what he did, probably you.
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You really admire Reagan and his cronies?
By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever."

1. Lyn Nofziger--White House Press Secretary - Convicted on charges of illegal lobbying of White House in Wedtech scandal. The lobbying would not have been illegal had he not been White House Press Secretary.

2. Michael Deaver, Reagan's Chief of Staff, received three years' probation and was fined one hundred thousand dollars after being convicted for lying to a congressional subcommittee and a federal grand jury about his lobbying activities after leaving the White House. Same as with Lyn Nofziger.

3. James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior was indicted on 41 felony counts for using connections at the Department of Housing and Urban Development to help his private clients seek federal funds for housing projects in Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Watt conceded that he had received $500,000 from clients who were granted very favorable housing contracts after he had intervened on their behalf. Watt was eventually sentenced to five years in prison and 500 hours of community service.

4. John Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, guilty of five criminal counts involving conspiracy to mislead Congress, obstructing congressional inquiries, lying to lawmakers, used "high national security" to mask deceit and wrong-doing...

5. Richard Secord pleaded guilty to a felony charge of lying to Congress over Iran-Contra. Appointed by William Casey to assist Oliver North.

6. Elliott Abrams was appointed by President Reagan in 1985 to head the State Department's Latin American Bureau. He was closely linked with ex-White House aide Lt. Col. Oliver North's covert movement to aid the Contras. Working for North, Abrams coordinated inter-agency support for the contras and helped solicit illegal funding from foreign powers as well as domestic contributors. Abrams agreed to cooperate with Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges reduced to misdemeanors. He was sentenced in 1991 to two years probation and 100 hours of community service but was pardoned by President George Bush...

7. Robert C. McFarlane, Reagan's National Security Advisor, pled guilty to four misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service. He was also fined $20,000. He received a blanket pardon from President George Bush...

8. Alan D. Fiers was the Chief of the Central Intelligence Agency's Central American Task Force. Fiers pled guilty in 1991 to two counts of withholding information from congress about Oliver North's activities and the diversion of Iran arms sale money to aid the Contras. He was sentenced to one year of probation and 100 hours of community service. Alan Fiers received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President Bush...


9. Thomas G. Clines: convicted of four counts of tax-related offenses for failing to report income from the operations;


10. Carl R. Channel - Office of Public Diplomacy , partner in International Business- first person convicted in the Iran/Contra scandal, pleaded guilty of one count of defrauding the United States


11.Richard R. Miller - Partner with Oliver North in IBC, a Office of Public Diplomacy front group, convicted of conspiracy to defraud the United States.


12.Frank Gomez


13.. Donald Fortier


14.Clair George was Chief of the CIA's Division of Covert Operations under President Reagan. George was convicted of lying to two congressional committees in 1986. George faced a maximum five year federal prison sentence and a $20,000 fine for each of the two convictions. Jurors cleared George of five other charges including two counts of lying to a federal grand jury. Clair George received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President George Bush...


15.Rita Lavelle was indicted, tried and convicted of lying to Congress and served three months of a six-month prison sentence.


16.Philip Winn - Assistant HUD Secretary. Pleaded guilty to one count of scheming to give illegal gratuities.


17.Thomas Demery - Assistand HUD Secretary - pleaded guilty to steering HUD subsidies to politically connected donors.


18.Deborah Gore Dean - executive assistant to Samuel Pierce - indicted on thirteen counts, three counts of conspiracy, one count of accepting an illegal gratuity, four counts of perjury, and five counts of concealing articles. She was convicted on twelve accounts. She appealed and prevailed on several accounts but the convictions for conspiracy remained.


19.Catalina Villaponda - Former US Treasurer


20.Joseph A. Strauss - Accepting kickbacks from developers


21.Oliver North - He was indicted on sixteen felony counts and on May 4, 1989, he was convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and destruction of documents (by his secretary, Fawn Hall, on his instructions). He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation,


You must have been in a coma during the Reagan administration.
 
Dirty Harry said:
Everything I stated was true. You are in denial.
Oh I forgot about the Savings and loan crisis under Reagans watch that cost taxpayers billion.

Fact: Reagan raised taxes several times including raising the cap on SS(I remember it well, my takehome pay dropped significantly)
Fact: Reagan increased government spending, ballooning the deficit
Fact: Reagan dealt with terrorists
Fact: Reagans last term was followed by a recession that lasted 14 months
Fact: The savings and loan crisis started during Reagans watch
What part of this do you disagree with? Sorry to burst your bubble but it's all true.

I agreed that we had a few good years while Reagan was president but it did not last. That is the truth. The only reason Clinton had a few good years was the tech bubble that artificially boosted the economy.
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That is certainly your opinion which I disagree with. I benefited well during Reagan as the two most important issues to me are national security and the economy. Without a strong national security there is no economy and in both cases I got who I voted for. The tax cuts benefited me and my family and I was able to pay off debts and work on financial security. I retired at age 57 so apparently I did something right.
 
Z3n said:
He didn't end ****. The USSR failed because of the stagnant and non-doctrinaire leaders who were more interested in their personal gains than any sort of nation improvement. Gorbachev and Breshnev were wildly inefficient leaders and the USSR broke into the commonwealth in 1991, if only because there was no national unity and the communist policies were becoming more and more statist.
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Revisionist history anyone??
 
Gill said:
Revisionist history anyone??
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Have you read the political history of the USSR? The reason it fell in no way had anything to do with Ronald Reagan, and saying something as wacko as "he ended the cold war" is ill founded
 
Conservative said:
That is certainly your opinion which I disagree with. I benefited well during Reagan as the two most important issues to me are national security and the economy. Without a strong national security there is no economy and in both cases I got who I voted for. The tax cuts benefited me and my family and I was able to pay off debts and work on financial security. I retired at age 57 so apparently I did something right.
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Which statements were not true? It's not opinion.
I benifited during the Reagan years too. I retired at 56. But that doesn't mean he was a great president.

If national security means dealing with terrorists then I understand your love of Reagan.
 
Conservative said:
ADK, you don't have a lot of credibility on this issue or any other. For someone who has the tag line that you do and allows the Obama lies to slide and allows this President to abandon transparency ought to take a look in the mirror and see someone without any credibility.
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I'm not letting anything slide, including your misrepresenting what Bush & Co really did and did not do. What Obama does and does not do is another matter.
 
Dirty Harry said:
You really admire Reagan and his cronies?
By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever."

1. Lyn Nofziger--White House Press Secretary - Convicted on charges of illegal lobbying of White House in Wedtech scandal. The lobbying would not have been illegal had he not been White House Press Secretary.

2. Michael Deaver, Reagan's Chief of Staff, received three years' probation and was fined one hundred thousand dollars after being convicted for lying to a congressional subcommittee and a federal grand jury about his lobbying activities after leaving the White House. Same as with Lyn Nofziger.

3. James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior was indicted on 41 felony counts for using connections at the Department of Housing and Urban Development to help his private clients seek federal funds for housing projects in Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Watt conceded that he had received $500,000 from clients who were granted very favorable housing contracts after he had intervened on their behalf. Watt was eventually sentenced to five years in prison and 500 hours of community service.

4. John Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, guilty of five criminal counts involving conspiracy to mislead Congress, obstructing congressional inquiries, lying to lawmakers, used "high national security" to mask deceit and wrong-doing...

5. Richard Secord pleaded guilty to a felony charge of lying to Congress over Iran-Contra. Appointed by William Casey to assist Oliver North.

6. Elliott Abrams was appointed by President Reagan in 1985 to head the State Department's Latin American Bureau. He was closely linked with ex-White House aide Lt. Col. Oliver North's covert movement to aid the Contras. Working for North, Abrams coordinated inter-agency support for the contras and helped solicit illegal funding from foreign powers as well as domestic contributors. Abrams agreed to cooperate with Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges reduced to misdemeanors. He was sentenced in 1991 to two years probation and 100 hours of community service but was pardoned by President George Bush...

7. Robert C. McFarlane, Reagan's National Security Advisor, pled guilty to four misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service. He was also fined $20,000. He received a blanket pardon from President George Bush...

8. Alan D. Fiers was the Chief of the Central Intelligence Agency's Central American Task Force. Fiers pled guilty in 1991 to two counts of withholding information from congress about Oliver North's activities and the diversion of Iran arms sale money to aid the Contras. He was sentenced to one year of probation and 100 hours of community service. Alan Fiers received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President Bush...


9. Thomas G. Clines: convicted of four counts of tax-related offenses for failing to report income from the operations;


10. Carl R. Channel - Office of Public Diplomacy , partner in International Business- first person convicted in the Iran/Contra scandal, pleaded guilty of one count of defrauding the United States


11.Richard R. Miller - Partner with Oliver North in IBC, a Office of Public Diplomacy front group, convicted of conspiracy to defraud the United States.


12.Frank Gomez


13.. Donald Fortier


14.Clair George was Chief of the CIA's Division of Covert Operations under President Reagan. George was convicted of lying to two congressional committees in 1986. George faced a maximum five year federal prison sentence and a $20,000 fine for each of the two convictions. Jurors cleared George of five other charges including two counts of lying to a federal grand jury. Clair George received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President George Bush...


15.Rita Lavelle was indicted, tried and convicted of lying to Congress and served three months of a six-month prison sentence.


16.Philip Winn - Assistant HUD Secretary. Pleaded guilty to one count of scheming to give illegal gratuities.


17.Thomas Demery - Assistand HUD Secretary - pleaded guilty to steering HUD subsidies to politically connected donors.


18.Deborah Gore Dean - executive assistant to Samuel Pierce - indicted on thirteen counts, three counts of conspiracy, one count of accepting an illegal gratuity, four counts of perjury, and five counts of concealing articles. She was convicted on twelve accounts. She appealed and prevailed on several accounts but the convictions for conspiracy remained.


19.Catalina Villaponda - Former US Treasurer


20.Joseph A. Strauss - Accepting kickbacks from developers


21.Oliver North - He was indicted on sixteen felony counts and on May 4, 1989, he was convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and destruction of documents (by his secretary, Fawn Hall, on his instructions). He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation,


You must have been in a coma during the Reagan administration.
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Ronald Reagan was the right person at the right time in the right place. What you posted is a biased, partisan point view of what actually happened which just goes to show that the further away from his term you get the more distorted your view is of his performance.

Two things and two things only matter to me, the economy and national security. On both I got exactly who I voted for and the rest doesn't matter a bit to me.
 
Dirty Harry said:
You really admire Reagan and his cronies?


You must have been in a coma during the Reagan administration.
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Yes, as do the majority of Americans.

During the 80s, my income tripled. I could not buy a house when Regan was elected because interest rates were 18%. A few years later, my family bought our first house with a 12% interest rate, then 4 years later another at 8%.

Inflation was low.
Unemployment dropped throughout his presidency.
Americans became happy and proud of their country again.
Income taxes dropped significantly.

Yep, that was a GREAT decade.

Do you know of ANY president that did not have people in their administration that got into legal trouble?? Shall we discuss Clinton's?
 
Conservative said:
Ronald Reagan was the right person at the right time in the right place. What you posted is a biased, partisan point view of what actually happened which just goes to show that the further away from his term you get the more distorted your view is of his performance.
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Hmmm... you're calling convictions "biased points of view"?
Thanks for that little insight into your mind.

Two things and two things only matter to me, the economy and national security. On both I got exactly who I voted for and the rest doesn't matter a bit to me.
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At this point, I'm not sure you can clearly identify what you got. But, you sure finished off that jug of kool-aid.
 
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Conservative said:
Ronald Reagan was the right person at the right time in the right place. What you posted is a biased, partisan point view of what actually happened which just goes to show that the further away from his term you get the more distorted your view is of his performance.

Two things and two things only matter to me, the economy and national security. On both I got exactly who I voted for and the rest doesn't matter a bit to me.
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I post facts. Not distorted, partisan or biased. They are all part of the historical record.
You on the other hand are a totally biased partisan that ignores reality so you can have a hero to worship. I prefer to live in the real world.
You really should read about the period for it seems like you were either sleeping or smoking something other than tobacco during the Reagan administration.
 
Gill said:
Yes, as do the majority of Americans.

During the 80s, my income tripled. I could not buy a house when Regan was elected because interest rates were 18%. A few years later, my family bought our first house with a 12% interest rate, then 4 years later another at 8%.

Inflation was low.
Unemployment dropped throughout his presidency.
Americans became happy and proud of their country again.
Income taxes dropped significantly.

Yep, that was a GREAT decade.

Do you know of ANY president that did not have people in their administration that got into legal trouble?? Shall we discuss Clinton's?
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Great Decade? Hardly.
'80 to '84 sucked and '88 to '92 sucked. Reagan had a good four years and that is all. When he left office the country fell into recession
 
Gill said:
Yes, as do the majority of Americans.

During the 80s, my income tripled. I could not buy a house when Regan was elected because interest rates were 18%. A few years later, my family bought our first house with a 12% interest rate, then 4 years later another at 8%.

Inflation was low.
Unemployment dropped throughout his presidency.
Americans became happy and proud of their country again.
Income taxes dropped significantly.

Yep, that was a GREAT decade.

Do you know of ANY president that did not have people in their administration that got into legal trouble?? Shall we discuss Clinton's?
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Great post, Gill, and right on! Millions and millions of Americans experienced exactly the same thing you experienced. Millions experienced the misery index under Carter and benefited from the free markets that Reagan promoted and fueled with the tax cuts.
 
Conservative said:
Great post, Gill, and right on! Millions and millions of Americans experienced exactly the same thing you experienced. Millions experienced the misery index under Carter and benefited from the free markets that Reagan promoted and fueled with the tax cuts.
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Bush Sr didn't benifit from it. He had to deal with the reccession that lasted 14 months.
I agree . We had four great years. Then it all hit the fan.
 
Conservative said:
Great post, Gill, and right on! Millions and millions of Americans experienced exactly the same thing you experienced. Millions experienced the misery index under Carter and benefited from the free markets that Reagan promoted and fueled with the tax cuts.
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The only thing that carter did well :p

Camp David Accords
 
Conservative said:
Great post, Gill, and right on! Millions and millions of Americans experienced exactly the same thing you experienced. Millions experienced the misery index under Carter and benefited from the free markets that Reagan promoted and fueled with the tax cuts.
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The misery index was worse under Nixon/Ford. Remember the Arab oil embargo and the wage and price freeze? Carter inherited the misery index just as Reagan did the first four years.
 
Dirty Harry said:
I post facts. Not distorted, partisan or biased. They are all part of the historical record.
You on the other hand are a totally biased partisan that ignores reality so you can have a hero to worship. I prefer to live in the real world.
You really should read about the period for it seems like you were either sleeping or smoking something other than tobacco during the Reagan administration.
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The facts that concerned at the time were the interest rates I was paying for my home, the cost of living, the threat that Russia and Iran posed to our security, and rising unemployment that threatened our very economic security.

I am 63 years old, which I believe is older than 56. I lived the period of time, I don't need to read a book telling me what I experienced. My facts consisted of my bank balance and my financial portfolio along with the threat Carter's economic policy had on my family. I wasn't smoking anything nor did I buy the arguments against Reagan then just like I don't buy them now.

Nothing is ever going to satisfy some people including you but the attitude in this country changed, the pride that people had, the sense of personal financial gain never was higher than it was during that time and rightly so. People could take care of themselves again, personal income skyrocketed, interest rates dropped,and dependence on the govt. was lessened.

There was a reason for the outpouring of love and respect for Reagan during his funeral. It looks to me like it was you smoking something instead of taking advantage of the opportunities presented. The majority in this country got it, some never will.
 
Dirty Harry said:
The misery index was worse under Nixon/Ford. Remember the Arab oil embargo and the wage and price freeze? Carter inherited the misery index just as Reagan did the first four years.
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There was never a higher misery index than there was during Carter. Carter had an Oil Problem in 79. Nixon had his in 73. The misery index has been around for decades but really got the publicity during the Carter years and the Carter economic policy was a disaster.

Interesting how you claim specific periods of time sucked. The only period of time that ever sucked for me was the Carter years. Reagan put me in position to recover from Carter and survive the first couple years of Clinton. From that point on, I took control of my own life and never blamed someone else for mistakes I personally made. Too bad others place blame on the President while ignoring their own impact on their economic conditions.
 
JFK's the man! :2razz:
 
Z3n said:
Have you read the political history of the USSR? The reason it fell in no way had anything to do with Ronald Reagan, and saying something as wacko as "he ended the cold war" is ill founded
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Have you?

East-West tensions increased during the first term of U.S. President Ronald Reagan (1981-1985), reaching levels not seen since the 1962 Cuban missile crisis as Reagan increased US military spending to 7% of the GDP.[citation needed] To match the USA's military buildup, the Soviet Union increased its own military spending to 27% of its GDP and froze production of civilian goods at 1980 levels.[citation needed] Reagan furthermore supplied Afghan warriors with Stinger missiles which cost the US only $1 billion annually, but which cost the Soviet Union as much as $8 billion annually in military losses.[citation needed] Finally, Reagan also actively hindered the Soviet Union's ability to sell natural gas to Europe whilst simultaneously actively working to keep gas prices low which served to keep the price of Soviet oil low and further starved the Soviet Union of foreign capital. This "long-term strategic offensive" which "contrasts with the essentially reactive and defensive strategy of containment" accelerated the fall of the Soviet Union by encouraging it to overextend its economic base.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Soviet_Union_(1985–1991)

Of course you won't admit you were wrong.....
 
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