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America's NBI raised from 9.7 trillion to 11.8 trillion in one year

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Obama attains massive achievment

(NBI stands for National Brand Index. It is an analysis of peoples' perceptions of certain countries that directly affects the attractiveness of their products and services... "That means U.S. goods, services, people, and even the country's landscape are about 20 percent more enticing to the global market than they were in 2008.")


Closer analysis of the data shows that much of the boost comes from improved international opinion of the American people themselves. After the re-election of George W. Bush to a second term, I began to record falling scores not just for U.S. foreign policy but also for U.S. people, culture, products, and even -- by a delightfully illogical extension -- the U.S. landscape. Now, the world appears to have absolved Americans of any perceived sin, having elected the "right" president. Even the country's rolling hills and city skylines, it seems, are fully restored to their former grandeur in the eyes of the world.

Redemption of the brand means more than just the warm and fuzzy feeling one gets when thinking about the United States. By combining the NBI data with a range of economic and industrial statistics, it is possible to hazard a brand valuation for a country, much as corporations value their brands. Working with Brand Finance, a consultancy that specializes in valuing the intangible assets of corporations, we estimate that the value of "Brand America" has jumped from $9.7 trillion in 2008 to $11.8 trillion today. Even more remarkably, that increase comes even as the global recession has seen U.S. GDP growth decline 2.3 percentage points over the last year. That number is value that Obama has added to the U.S. economy simply by taking office and making the right speeches.

So to those who say Obama has achieved little, my research suggests otherwise. His mere presence has begun to restore the United States to a position of respect and credibility -- and consequently, of influence -- that no amount of political, economic, or military might could muster. And it is an absolutely necessary achievement if Washington is to wield any moral authority in the world. In at least one of his responsibilities as head of state, the sacred responsibility of upholding the good name of his country, Obama has had a pretty good first year.

This is only one reason that Obama will go down as one of America's best Presidents ever.
 
You haven't actually been paying attention, have you?


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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 26% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-four percent (44%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -18 (see trends).....
 
You haven't actually been paying attention, have you?

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Bush Senior had a meager 34% approval going into the 1992 election. The most recent 2008 poll gives him a solid 60% positive rating.

And we really want to argue, Bush Jr should go down as the worst president by the logic you've given.

God know what Lincoln was polled at during the darkest days of the Civil War.

Contemporary polls are pretty worthless in determining the future view of a president.

Interesting find:

Polls can affect president's hold on party - USATODAY.com
 
Obama attains massive achievment

(NBI stands for National Brand Index. It is an analysis of peoples' perceptions of certain countries that directly affects the attractiveness of their products and services... "That means U.S. goods, services, people, and even the country's landscape are about 20 percent more enticing to the global market than they were in 2008.")

This is only one reason that Obama will go down as one of America's best Presidents ever.

I had not heard this prior to your posting. Thanks for sharing. It confirms my view that with Obama pulling the country out of an eminent depression, getting health care reform passed and bringing our troops home from Iraq in 2011, he will be reelected handily, even if the Republicans had someone to run against him.
 
You haven't actually been paying attention, have you?

You didn't actual read the article I posted, did you? Because it highlights the fact that public opinion polls literally fluctuate everyday... NBI, or in other words peoples' perception of certain countries, stay constant for years and years(albeit a 1-2% change which can be attributed to discrepancy between those being surveyed.) This is taking into account natural disasters, political changes, and other large events taking place in countries...

As the article I posted before states, only twice has the NBI of a country significantly changed. Denmark in 2006, which was a benefactor of a Mohammed cartoon being posted in a Danish newspaper, and the US in 2009, which was a benefactor of the Obama's political ascendancy.

Read what I post and then start your empty rants against Obama.
 
I had not heard this prior to your posting. Thanks for sharing. It confirms my view that with Obama pulling the country out of an eminent depression, getting health care reform passed and bringing our troops home from Iraq in 2011, he will be reelected handily, even if the Republicans had someone to run against him.

Well, we'll see. It'll be interesting and lend the Republican party serious credibility if they really pull out someone that is, well, not goofy/insane. If they get Palin, Huckabee, Romney etc. etc. out then I'll literally join the Obama camp... and might even leave the party.

PS:I'm still hoping that Palin will start up that Tea Party :lol:
 
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Well, we'll see. It'll be interesting and lend the Republican party serious credibility if they really pull out someone that is, well, not goofy/insane. If they get Palin, Huckabee, Romney etc. etc. out then I'll literally join the Obama camp... and might even leave the party.

PS:I'm still hoping that Palin will start up that Tea Party :lol:

You voted for McCain in the Primary and Obama in the General didn't you?

I bet you think Snowe is a model Republican.
 
You voted for McCain in the Primary and Obama in the General didn't you?

I bet you think Snowe is a model Republican.

You know, Reagan could hold people like Snowe, because he was able to bring people together, and it was Reagan who was responsible for the Republican "Big Tent" policy. I can tell you that, today, there is nobody like Reagan in the Republican ranks, nor is there likely to be in the near future. Only haters, who want to "purify" the party. Once the party is purified, it will become a permanent Republican minority, instead of the permanent Republican majority that was once envisioned.

You really need to read up on Reagan. He made the Republican party work, and until his visions for America are once again followed, it will be a long, dark, and lonely winter for the GOP.
 
You know, Reagan could hold people like Snowe, because he was able to bring people together, and it was Reagan who was responsible for the Republican "Big Tent" policy. I can tell you that, today, there is nobody like Reagan in the Republican ranks, nor is there likely to be in the near future. Only haters, who want to "purify" the party. Once the party is purified, it will become a permanent Republican minority, instead of the permanent Republican majority that was once envisioned.

You really need to read up on Reagan. He made the Republican party work, and until his visions for America are once again followed, it will be a long, dark, and lonely winter for the GOP.

Dan, I really find your assessments to be silly.


Reagan didn't create a "big Tent" so much as he LEAD in an a way that inspired people to follow him.

There is a huge difference.
 
Dan, I really find your assessments to be silly.


Reagan didn't create a "big Tent" so much as he LEAD in an a way that inspired people to follow him.

There is a huge difference.

You are right that Reagan was a great leader, but you are dead wrong that the Republican party did not have a big tent. Here is an excellent article on the subject, and it is dead on in it's assessment.

Reagan pulled together many Republicans, Conservative, Moderate, and Liberal alike, in order to get his agenda passed. And it was Reagan who created the 11th Commandment "Thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican". And Reagan was even able to split the Democratic party's votes. Yes, much of that was due to leadership, but absolutely none of it was due to any kind of "My way or the highway" approach we are seeing now. Reagan's big tent was one of the main reasons his administration was so successful, and why he became one of our greatest presidents.

In the end, ideological purity is a nice concept, but also a pipe dream. It won't work without a lot of pragmatism to go along with it.
 
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Obama attains massive achievment

(NBI stands for National Brand Index. It is an analysis of peoples' perceptions of certain countries that directly affects the attractiveness of their products and services... "That means U.S. goods, services, people, and even the country's landscape are about 20 percent more enticing to the global market than they were in 2008.")




This is only one reason that Obama will go down as one of America's best Presidents ever.

Yea, Obama will be one of the best American Presidents ever because OTHER countries like him. Great logic...
 
Bush Senior had a meager 34% approval going into the 1992 election. The most recent 2008 poll gives him a solid 60% positive rating.

And we really want to argue, Bush Jr should go down as the worst president by the logic you've given.

God know what Lincoln was polled at during the darkest days of the Civil War.

Contemporary polls are pretty worthless in determining the future view of a president.
Interesting find:


You don't know just how right you are. :mrgreen:

Each day of the Obama presidency seems to bring a new, perversely delicious irony. Last week, on the same day that Mr. Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize solely for being the "anti-Bush," former President George W. Bush got a lovely prize of his own: the growing appreciation of the American people.

Public Policy Polling released a new survey that showed that while 50 percent preferred Mr. Obama to Mr. Bush, a stunning 44 percent preferred Mr. Bush to Mr. Obama. Further, a separate poll showed public approval of former Vice President Dick Cheney moving up by 10 points to 39 percent.

Making these poll numbers even more remarkable is Mr. Obama's own free-falling job approval: He's routinely below 50 percent, with some polls showing him as low as 43 percent. A year ago, when Mr. Bush suffered from dismal approval ratings and hope ran high for the changing of the guard to Mr. Obama, the idea of Mr. Bush surpassing Mr. Obama in public popularity was laughable.....

......The re-evaluation of Mr. Bush is occurring for two main reasons. 1) The expectations set by Mr. Obama, his campaign, and those who supported him that he would be a kind of Magical Merlin, capable of changing human nature and the interests of nations, were always impossible. He is perceived as failing because there was never any way he could have delivered the lofty, saviorlike promises he made. He is as earth-bound as was Mr. Bush.

And 2) It's quickly dawning on more and more people that the presidency is difficult. This obvious reality is often overlooked until a president leaves office and is replaced by a successor who appears submerged by the responsibilities. It's "the hardest job in the world" for a reason: Every day brings a new, impossible challenge that demands immediate attention; some new, tough decision that must be made; some new, unprecedented problem that needs to be solved. The gig is no picnic, and executive experience matters. In an interview on Sunday's "60 Minutes," when Mr. Obama was asked about making hard decisions, he literally blurted out, "This is really hard.".......

........Mr. Obama acts as if he's the first president to inherit a complicated, dangerous and messy situation. From George Washington, who became the first president out of the ravages of the Revolutionary War, to Mr. Bush, who inherited a nation about to be attacked by a ruthless Islamic terrorist enemy, every president has come to office with a full plate. Mr. Obama behaves as if he's the first one to face intractable challenges. Perhaps this is because in his narcissism, he believed he would be able to melt them away with the sheer force of his persona. He's just now discovering that that is not going to happen.

Over the past year, it has become increasingly clear that on a range of issues, Mr. Bush was right. On the war on terror, he was right about Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantanamo Bay, indefinite detention, military tribunals and treating it as a war and not a criminal-justice problem. Mr. Obama seems to recognize how right Mr. Bush was by embracing many of his counterterrorism policies. In his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech, he channeled Mr. Bush as he justified fighting the terrorist enemy, surging troops in Afghanistan and recognizing the need to smash evil. ........


......Given what we've experienced over the past year from the new president - from apologies for America to decisions to add trillions to the deficit and debt and nationalize health care and regulate carbon dioxide and bring Khalid Shaikh Mohammed to New York for trial to failing to improve the unemployment picture - Mr. Bush is looking better and better. Was he perfect? No. Did he make mistakes? Yes, he did, just as all presidents do. But in retrospect, many who derided him are realizing that the presidency is hard, and he did the best he could - and that was pretty good......
 
Obama attains massive achievment

(NBI stands for National Brand Index. It is an analysis of peoples' perceptions of certain countries that directly affects the attractiveness of their products and services... "That means U.S. goods, services, people, and even the country's landscape are about 20 percent more enticing to the global market than they were in 2008.")




This is only one reason that Obama will go down as one of America's best Presidents ever.

this is just some made up political non-sense.

I originally launched the NBI because public perceptions of countries are critically important to their prosperity in a globalized worldI originally launched the NBI because public perceptions of countries are critically important to their prosperity in a globalized world.


it's simply a measure of whether you like the person in the white house.

mtm1963
 
Does this mean that if I find $11.8 trillion lying around someplace, I can use it to buy the United States of America?
 
Yea, Obama will be one of the best American Presidents ever because OTHER countries like him. Great logic...

ONE of the reasons that Obama will be go down as one of the best President's ever.

How old are you? Seriously....
 
this is just some made up political non-sense.

I originally launched the NBI because public perceptions of countries are critically important to their prosperity in a globalized worldI originally launched the NBI because public perceptions of countries are critically important to their prosperity in a globalized world.


it's simply a measure of whether you like the person in the white house.

mtm1963

1- The NBI exists for every country around the world, not just the United States.

2- As stated before, it's only changed drastically when Obama ascended to the Presidency and when a Danish newspaper posted a Mohammed cartoon in one of their issues.

3- You're undoubtedly right that the President has a lot to do with NBI, but that's by no means a sole factor in determining other peoples perceptions of the USA...
 
1- The NBI exists for every country around the world, not just the United States.

2- As stated before, it's only changed drastically when Obama ascended to the Presidency and when a Danish newspaper posted a Mohammed cartoon in one of their issues.

3- You're undoubtedly right that the President has a lot to do with NBI, but that's by no means a sole factor in determining other peoples perceptions of the USA...

it's meaningless!!

mtm1963
 
You are right that Reagan was a great leader, but you are dead wrong that the Republican party did not have a big tent. Here is an excellent article on the subject, and it is dead on in it's assessment.

Reagan pulled together many Republicans, Conservative, Moderate, and Liberal alike, in order to get his agenda passed. And it was Reagan who created the 11th Commandment "Thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican". And Reagan was even able to split the Democratic party's votes. Yes, much of that was due to leadership, but absolutely none of it was due to any kind of "My way or the highway" approach we are seeing now. Reagan's big tent was one of the main reasons his administration was so successful, and why he became one of our greatest presidents.

In the end, ideological purity is a nice concept, but also a pipe dream. It won't work without a lot of pragmatism to go along with it.

Yes. Likely the only logical Conservative post in this entire thread :shock:

People don't know the meaning of logical debate anymore... Especially Republicans. It's a lot of mud-slinging and then even more nonsense. I'm usually surprised when they'll even get a little bit of rhetoric in, even if empty, as opposed to the usual lame a** personal insults.

There was a time when it was the Republicans who were reasonable and always sober and many Democrats that had to revert to name-calling and ad hominem in any political discussion, but it seems today that is a thing of the past.

Get off the pain killers, stop pmsing, and read some godd*mn books. You think the problem with the Republican Party is that it is too liberal? Get real. You guys spend more time attacking fellow Republicans than you spend defending the Republican Party! Jesus Christ... GO make your Tea Party already.
 
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it's meaningless!!

mtm1963

People that only look at rational politics are going to mis-judge again and again.

So much of politics has to do with peoples and entities perceptions of one another, as well as their perception of themselves. Disregarding that is downright wrong.
 
People that only look at rational politics are going to mis-judge again and again.

So much of politics has to do with peoples and entities perceptions of one another, as well as their perception of themselves. Disregarding that is downright wrong.

one should not take to much stock in something they can't review/examine for themselves.

mtm1963
 
one should not take to much stock in something they can't review/examine for themselves.

mtm1963

Then every survey you have ever read is bull****.
 
ONE of the reasons that Obama will be go down as one of the best President's ever.

How old are you? Seriously....

Except your ONE reason is totally asinine.

Other countries liking us more doesn't mean Obama is doing a good job as President of the United States; the two concepts are not always mutually inclusive.

For instance, what if other countries liked us more because Obama gave them the Eastern seaboard for free? Does that mean he's doing a good job as President? Of course not! You have to ask WHY they like America more in order to ascertain the quality of his Presidency.

Do they like us better because Obama is more in line with their political ideologies? Do they like us better because Obama is more willing to accommodate their interests? Do they like us better because Obama is black?

You didn't even attempt such an inquiry, and chose instead to fawn and adulate.
 
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Yes. Likely the only logical Conservative post in this entire thread :shock:

People don't know the meaning of logical debate anymore... Especially Republicans. It's a lot of mud-slinging and then even more nonsense. I'm usually surprised when they'll even get a little bit of rhetoric in, even if empty, as opposed to the usual lame a** personal insults.

There was a time when it was the Republicans who were reasonable and always sober and many Democrats that had to revert to name-calling and ad hominem in any political discussion, but it seems today that is a thing of the past.

Get off the pain killers, stop pmsing, and read some godd*mn books. You think the problem with the Republican Party is that it is too liberal? Get real. You guys spend more time attacking fellow Republicans than you spend defending the Republican Party! Jesus Christ... GO make your Tea Party already.

.....says the illogical guy slinging mud and making lame ass personal insults. I find this statement, in this post very ironic. :mrgreen:
 
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