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Global Wealth Can Heal the Planet

Goobieman

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Here. friends, is the REAL agenda of the summit:

Bolivian president Evo Morales was interviewed by Al Jazeera television while in Copenhagen. “The principal obstacle to combating climate change is capitalism,” he explained. “Until we put an end to capitalism, it will continue to be a big obstacle for life and humanity.”

Zimbabwean dictator Robert Mugabe proclaimed in a speech: “When these capitalist gods of carbon burp and belch their dangerous emissions, it’s we, the lesser mortals of the developing sphere, who gasp and sink and eventually die.”

The big name in the anti-capitalism club was, of course, Hugo Chávez, the Venezuelan national-socialist strongman. In a typical stem-winder, he belched: “Capitalism is a destructive model that is eradicating life, that threatens to put a definitive end to the human species.”
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Global Wealth Can Heal the Planet by Jonah Goldberg on National Review Online

Its not about saving the planet from global warming, its about making the world safe for Marxism/Socialism.

Aside from that, the article makes all kinds of good points.
Like:

The historical record is clear: Democratic free-market nations are better at protecting their environments than statist regimes for the simple reason that they can afford to. West Germany’s environment was far cleaner than East Germany’s. I’d much sooner drink the tap water in South Korea than North Korea.
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AGW loons and environazis are like watermellons -- green on the outside, red in the middle.
 
Well, just when you think you have seen the stupidest thread ever, some one has to come along and top it. This is a shining example of a complete lack of logic. Because 1 man, from 1 of the 193 countries attending the summit said something, this must be the thoughts of all those attending. Brilliant! Keep up the good work here Goobie.

I guess since we go down this road, we can take every quote from every conservative, and assume Goobie thinks the same thing. This could be fun!
 
Redress said:
Well, just when you think you have seen the stupidest thread ever, some one has to come along and top it. This is a shining example of a complete lack of logic. Because 1 man, from 1 of the 193 countries attending the summit said something, this must be the thoughts of all those attending. Brilliant! Keep up the good work here Goobie.

I guess since we go down this road, we can take every quote from every conservative, and assume Goobie thinks the same thing. This could be fun!
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This post is over the top.
 
Redress said:
Well, just when you think you have seen the stupidest thread ever, some one has to come along and top it. This is a shining example of a complete lack of logic. Because 1 man, from 1 of the 193 countries attending the summit said something, this must be the thoughts of all those attending. Brilliant! Keep up the good work here Goobie.
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:rofl
You didn't even bother to read the post.
If you had, you would not have posted what you did.

But then, attacking the poster rather than responding to his message is usually what happens when the message cannot be countered.
 
American said:
Obama shouldn't have been within 1000 miles of the place.
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That doesnt really bother me -- if anything, His participation in that farce only weakens him politically, which is a good thing.

The Obama's luster is wearing off. Perhaps He is not the Messiah that He was thought to be, by Himself and His followers.

Given that - should I stop capitalizing His personal pronouns?
:mrgreen:
 
Goobieman said:
That doesnt really bother me -- if anything, His participation in that farce only weakens him politically, which is a good thing.

The Obama's luster is wearing off. Perhaps He is not the Messiah that He was thought to be, by Himself and His followers.

Given that - should I stop capitalizing His personal pronouns?
:mrgreen:
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Play it up a bit more. It'll be even funnier after His fall from grace. :lol:
 
Redress said:
Well, just when you think you have seen the stupidest thread ever, some one has to come along and top it. This is a shining example of a complete lack of logic. Because 1 man, from 1 of the 193 countries attending the summit said something, this must be the thoughts of all those attending. Brilliant! Keep up the good work here Goobie.

I guess since we go down this road, we can take every quote from every conservative, and assume Goobie thinks the same thing. This could be fun!
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The OP posted comments from 3 world leaders. The link in the OP also said this:

Also, if environmentalists want to avoid the “watermelon” charge (“green on the outside, red on the inside”), maybe the delegates and activists in the audience shouldn’t have given Chávez such a loud and boisterous round of applause? Perhaps the folks who gave him a standing ovation didn’t help either?
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Yup, now we've hit upon the ugly truth of the matter. It's not about pollution, or resources or anything else. It's all about the money. It's about wealthy countries paying tribute to the poor countries.
 
Redress said:
Well, just when you think you have seen the stupidest thread ever, some one has to come along and top it. This is a shining example of a complete lack of logic. Because 1 man, from 1 of the 193 countries attending the summit said something, this must be the thoughts of all those attending. Brilliant! Keep up the good work here Goobie.

I guess since we go down this road, we can take every quote from every conservative, and assume Goobie thinks the same thing. This could be fun!
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You did listen to the Chavez speech and the response it evoked from the crowd...right?
 
Redress said:
Well, just when you think you have seen the stupidest thread ever, some one has to come along and top it. This is a shining example of a complete lack of logic. Because 1 man, from 1 of the 193 countries attending the summit said something, this must be the thoughts of all those attending. Brilliant! Keep up the good work here Goobie.
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hmmm i suppose it would be crass for me to point out that the 1 man from the 1 nation came out and blasted capitalism..... and the other representatives from the other 192 nations gave him the largest standing ovation of the entire conference?

would it be too stupid for me to point out that Thomas Friedman (and a few others) basic response to the Climategate emails was "so what if AGW isn't true? So long as it gives us a reason to do what we want to do, then its' beneficial." ?

It's the ends (control) that are important, not the myth [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Sorel]myth[/ame].
 
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cpwill said:
hmmm i suppose it would be crass for me to point out that the 1 man from the 1 nation came out and blasted capitalism..... and the other representatives from the other 192 nations gave him the largest standing ovation of the entire conference?

would it be too stupid for me to point out that Thomas Friedman (and a few others) basic response to the Climategate emails was "so what if AGW isn't true? So long as it gives us a reason to do what we want to do, then its' beneficial." ?

It's the ends (control) that are important, not the myth myth.
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I expect to not see Redress return to this topic...
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Redress said:
Because 1 man, from 1 of the 193 countries attending the summit said something, this must be the thoughts of all those attending.
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Nope ma'm... 1 in 193 is willing to say it! 192 are scared to tell the truth!

If it WAS about the climate there wouldn't be throngs of anti-capitalists pushing this global enviro-fascism treaty.

I KNOW conservationists, I KNOW environmentalists.... and I know more than a few socialists....

Conservationists want you to turn off the lights when you're finished..

Environmentalists want to ban all lights.

Enviro-fascists are just socialist, anti-capitalists who hate the success of America and demand they pay the rest of the world for their own failures and couldn't care less about the environment.. IE: The anti-American socialists you see in Hopenhagen!

The latter people (and I use the term LIGHTLY) are the ENEMY of freedom and liberty... you may take their side if you choose.

It's a simple and clear difference that you will see if you only look 1 inch past the headlines.
 
American said:
It's about wealthy countries paying tribute to the poor countries.
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Hell, that's what we've been doing for 50+ years.:shock: I would venture a guess that if we gave 100% of our GDP to poor countries, they would still be the crapholes they are now. Money is not the problem.
 
lizzie said:
Money is not the problem.
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Nail meet hammer!

The problem is corruption.. as very little of the money we throw around the world goes to help those it was intended to help. Most of it goes to the corrupt politicians in those countries.

Environmentalists have been overrun by the anti-capitalist, socialists, as has DC.

I have NO PROBLEM taking care of the planet.. I've got a BIG problem surrendering our sovereignty to socialist enviro-fascists! and buying gold-plated biz-jets for dictators!
 
lizzie said:
Hell, that's what we've been doing for 50+ years.:shock: I would venture a guess that if we gave 100% of our GDP to poor countries, they would still be the crapholes they are now. Money is not the problem.
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that is correct. Africa, for example, has received the equivalent of three Marshall Plans in public aid; yet remains mired in chaos poverty and suffering.

a bug in the plans of all wealth-distributionists everywhere: you can't make people rich by giving them money.
 
cpwill said:
that is correct. Africa, for example, has received the equivalent of three Marshall Plans in public aid; yet remains mired in chaos poverty and suffering.

a bug in the plans of all wealth-distributionists everywhere: you can't make people rich by giving them money.
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Two examples of why throwing money at problems doesn't fix them: Africa (as mentioned above) and American Ghettos. :D

Am I wrong here? :lol:
 
Its definitely not the rich developed people to blame for global warming. It's surely the poor people for not being rich. For not doing as the US says with their economies.

Congratulations americans. You are the only ones in the whole planet that get it. Good job spotting this obvious global communist plot against you.
 
Anyways...:roll:

In a free world you are free to make the obvious connection that it is capitalism that has caused global warming. You don't have to be a communist to say that. Happy indigenous folks in their huts didn't cause it.

Maybe those smart-ass folks in the international world of books and political theories are too loose lipped and should fear the word capitalism?
 
SE102 said:
Anyways...:roll:

In a free world you are free to make the obvious connection that it is capitalism that has caused global warming. You don't have to be a communist to say that. Happy indigenous folks in their huts didn't cause it.

Maybe those smart-ass folks in the international world of books and political theories are too loose lipped and should fear the word capitalism?
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You might be right if Capitalism didn't result in most of the environmentally friendly advancements in industry. OH, yeah and there's still that part about Global Warming not even being Humanity's fault anyways.
 
cpwill said:
that is correct. Africa, for example, has received the equivalent of three Marshall Plans in public aid; yet remains mired in chaos poverty and suffering.

a bug in the plans of all wealth-distributionists everywhere: you can't make people rich by giving them money.
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the biggest problem in africa is how it was carved up after WW2, it should've been along tribal lines rather than european territories.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Two examples of why throwing money at problems doesn't fix them: Africa (as mentioned above) and American Ghettos. :D

Am I wrong here? :lol:
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Not wrong at all. We think we can slap a money bandaid on problems and fix them, but we are covering up and enabling the core of the problem to continue. When we fail to allow laws of nature to work, we really screw things up, then we inherit the responsibility for them.
 
spud_meister said:
the biggest problem in africa is how it was carved up after WW2, it should've been along tribal lines rather than european territories.
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The problems started prior to WW2. And yes it was because Europeans went perpendicular to tribal bands when drawing their countries. It was brilliant in terms of destroying such a large continent with just a few lines on a map, but in the long run now we have to listen to every bleeding heart bitch about it and now the whole world is paying into the cesspool because of Europe's greed. This is why I suggest we cease all American aid to the region until Europe triples what we have put into the region.

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EpicDude86 said:
Two examples of why throwing money at problems doesn't fix them: Africa (as mentioned above) and American Ghettos. :D

Am I wrong here? :lol:
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no you are not; indeed it is possible to argue effectively that the aid given to both communities has made them worse off. apparently you can't make someone rich by giving them money, but you can keep them poor.
 
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